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Whooping cough II

Posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

Dr. Stoll, I just read your response to my post about my 21 year old daughter having whooping cough. It has been 10 days since I posted that message and her cough has not gotten any better. It is much worse at night. She just gasps and gasps. It is very hard for her to catch a breath in between coughing fits and she can't get any sleep. She does not smoke or drink and is otherwise very healthy. If this is an allergy, what can we do? She is about ready to check herself into a hospital.

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on August 30, 2008 at 03:10:36:

In Reply to: Whooping cough II posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

Hi Bob,

Whooping Cough.. Wow..
I must be living a sheltered life.. I thought that was beatten due to decades of compulsory innoculations.

I can't say if you would have the same amazing effect
with Whooping Cough that you can have with various
viral or bacterial infections..
All I know is that when I have a cough that will not let me get to sleep, I take an Actifed or Sudafed cold and allergy (over the counter med) One pill and 20 minutes later, the cough is history for at least 6 hours.
It seems to dry up the mucous that collects on the
breathing passages and the urge to clear the mucous goes away.

The next night it will likely be needed again.. but less so. $12 for 24 pills is a small investment, so
feel free to see what happens.
Good luck.

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 30, 2008 at 07:45:58:

In Reply to: Whooping cough II posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

You didn't try hot tobacco did you Bob?

There was a woman on this board who said she hadn't been able to quit coughing since she had had pneumonia 2 years earlier, I told her to put hot tobacco on her chest, she came back the next morning and said that tobacco had done more for her in one night than all the antibiotics that she had taken since she had pneumonia. She also had a fire ant bite and tobacco took care of it.

TOBACCO IS POTENT MEDICINE, no matter what you think.

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Antibacterial - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
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Antibacterial - ACETOPHENONE. Leaf.
Antibacterial - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - BENZOIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antibacterial - BENZOIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antibacterial - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antibacterial - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antibacterial - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antibacterial - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antibacterial - CYCLOARTENOL. Leaf.
Antibacterial - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - ETHANOL. Leaf.
Antibacterial - EUGENOL. Leaf.
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Antibacterial - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antibacterial - GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antibacterial - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antibacterial - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - MALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antibacterial - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antibacterial - PECTIN. Leaf.
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Antibacterial - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antibacterial - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - RISHITIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antibacterial - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antibronchitic - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antibronchitic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antibronchoconstrictor - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - 4-VINYL-GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CYCLOARTENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - EUGENOL. Leaf.
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Antiinflammatory - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Antiinflammatory - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Antiinflammatory - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiinflammatory - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
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Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
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Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
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Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FUMARIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - LUTEIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - PALMITIC-ACID. Seed. [57500 - 140000 ppm.]
Antioxidant - PHENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SPERMIDINE. Plant.
Antioxidant - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SUCROSE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TRIMETHYLAMINE. Leaf.
Antipharyngitic - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antipharyngitic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antipyretic - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antipyretic - BENZOIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antipyretic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antipyretic - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antipyretic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
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Antiseptic - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiseptic - BENZOIC-ACID. Leaf.
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Antiseptic - CAPRYLIC-ACID. Flower.
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Antiseptic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
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Antiseptic - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiseptic - ETHANOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - FORMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiseptic - GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - M-CRESOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - MALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiseptic - OXALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiseptic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiseptic - PHENOL. Leaf.
Antiseptic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiseptic - TRIGONELLINE. Seed.
Antispasmodic - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antispasmodic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antispasmodic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
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Antispasmodic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antispasmodic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antistress - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
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Antitussive - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antitussive - PECTIN. Leaf.
Antiviral - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiviral - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiviral - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Antiviral - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiviral - ERGOSTEROL. Leaf.
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COX-2-Inhibitor - EUGENOL. Leaf.
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COX-2-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
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Decongestant - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Expectorant - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Expectorant - ACETIC-ACID. Leaf.
Expectorant - ASTRAGALIN. Leaf.
Expectorant - BENZOIC-ACID. Leaf.
Expectorant - BETAINE. Leaf.
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Fungicide - EUGENOL. Leaf.
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Fungicide - PECTIN. Leaf.
Fungicide - PHENOL. Leaf.
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Fungicide - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Fungicide - RISHITIN. Leaf.
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Fungistat - 4-METHYL-CATECHOL. Leaf.
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Immunostimulant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Immunostimulant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
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Immunostimulant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Interferon-Synergist - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Interferonogenic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Mycobactericide - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Mycobactericide - MALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Phagocytotic - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Steve [5592.3394] on August 30, 2008 at 09:01:57:

In Reply to: Whooping cough II posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

Coughing can be a sign of stress. I think Walt suggested the 3LS.

Silver Fox!

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on August 30, 2008 at 12:28:48:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 30, 2008 at 07:45:58:

Hi Charles,

Is there some reason why that list has so many groups of repeated items? It the entries are different, they
should have some identifying indicator...

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 31, 2008 at 06:17:02:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by Ron [5412.2287] on August 30, 2008 at 12:28:48:

Are you talking about the same biological activity with other chemicals or the fact that some chemicals have the same activity more than once?

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 31, 2008 at 06:43:25:

In Reply to: Whooping cough II posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

remove all dairy,gluten (wheat, oats,rye, barley) and sweet stuff from her diet till she's better.

give her comfortably hot broth (chicken, beef, vegetable, or miso) with garlic, onion, and salt as her main beverage.

When she is gasping, give her coffee- it helps open the breathing tubes.

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on August 31, 2008 at 07:06:35:

In Reply to: Whooping cough II posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

Thanks, Bob.

Like "going to the hospital" is going to do any lasting help! They can have respiratory therapy see her and help her breathe but they will likely do no more for the cause than her docs have currently done.

The fact that she still has her symptoms proves that the diagnosis is wrong. Hypersensitivities are, by far, the most likely causes and she will need to take all of her records to a good clinical ecologist (archives as to how to find one). In the meantime the 3LS will at least move her towards an eventual resolution.

Modalities that cannot hurt and at least have the potential for immediate relief of her symptoms, are: aroma therapy, classical homeopathy, acupuncture, reflexology, rescue remedy, and the like (archives).

Let us know how she does.

Walt

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Anita [11217.4475] on August 31, 2008 at 21:33:28:

In Reply to: Whooping cough II posted by Bob [3409.4998] on August 30, 2008 at 01:39:29:

Hey, everyone. I am the one Charles was talking about. I have been able to confirm that my cough varient asthma and chronic bronchitis diagnoses were nothing but food sensitivities and I was in an almost constant anaphylactic as well as anaphylactoid reaction. Products with high gluten content and milk cause coughing in me and yellow and red dyes, salsa and certain mayos cause nocturnal asthma attacks. There is a lot to be said about the whole foods diet. I began to feel a change for the better in 4 days. And I have been off all meds for the past 2 months. Anita

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on September 01, 2008 at 07:34:27:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by Anita [11217.4475] on August 31, 2008 at 21:33:28:

So Anita, you think it was food sensitivities? Why did they only appear after you had pneumonia?

BTW, you know Bubba or Bruce from Gasdgen?

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 01, 2008 at 09:51:43:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by Charles [448.2996] on September 01, 2008 at 07:34:27:

food sensitivities sometimes arise after viral exposure (natural ones or ones injected with vaccines) and/or after antibiotic use.
My son spent two weeks in the hospital when diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at age 7. Ten days into the stay, he got his first case of strep and his first dose of antibiotics. This was followed by severe gluten sensitivity-the sickness and/or the antibiotics (which mess with natural bacteria in the digestive system) may be what sparked the gluten sensitivty.

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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 01, 2008 at 10:05:07:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by Anita [11217.4475] on August 31, 2008 at 21:33:28:

at age 30, I had ots of health problems. I gave macrobiotics a try and got very healthy very fast. When I tried going back to the occasional 'normal' food, it became clear that dairy was a roblem for me.
I had spent 30 years loving milk and drinking a lot of it. I was also sick a lot from infancy. Since milk was supposed to be 'good for you' it never occurred to me it was part of the problem. Of course, when I'd get sick and my throat hurt and I didn't want to eat, my mom fed me milk, chocolate milk, milkshakes, and ice cream-soothe the throat and get some calories in the kid. Probably why it often took months toget better.
By the time I was on my own (often having those vitamin packed milk based 'instant breakfasts' for a couple of meals a day, I was getting yearly bouts of pneumonia,bronchitis, strep, laryngitis, and lots of colds. I kept my syrength up' with more milk, milk shakes, and ice cream, never realizing I was prolonging the sicknesses.
When I gave up dairy, all tat stopped. And it stays stopped, as long as I leave the dairy alone.
Major surprised I got was losing my arthritis at the same time-I had that from age 19-30.
The type O's in my family don't consume dairy, but have dairy like problems from gluten and have given it up.

I know, every Winter, too any people die of pneumonia. I wish I could tell them all to cut out the dairy and gluten at the first sign of respiratory illness. I think it would greatly reduce the deaths and reduce the length of the illnesses.
I hate to think of all the chest x-rays I had in the first 30 years of my life (at strengths no longer necessary to get an x-ray picture). I haven't ad a chest x-ray now in a couple of decades.


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Re: Whooping cough II

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on September 01, 2008 at 15:18:55:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 01, 2008 at 09:51:43:

I don't know anything about food sensitivities but I know Anita came back the morning after she put tobacco on her chest and said it had done her more good in one night than all the antibiotics she had taken she had pneumonia.

And she didn't even use it correctly. They've have known since the 1500s that tobacco has to be kept hot on the body, UNLESS you are trying to clot the blood flow.

I don't know if it is the chemicals that have antispasmodic activity that stops the coughing but something does.

Tobacco is Antiallergic and Antiasthmatic as well.

Antiallergic IC50=14 uM
Antiasthmatic IC50=14 uM

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Re: Whooping cough II -- Archive in milk.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on September 02, 2008 at 07:52:14:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 01, 2008 at 10:05:07:

Thanks, Ann.

Nothing like personal experience, is there?

Walt

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I'm a believer

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 02, 2008 at 11:35:19:

In Reply to: Re: Whooping cough II -- Archive in milk. posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on September 02, 2008 at 07:52:14:

nothing like desperation to open your mind to trying something different.
The idea of a national health care system seems like it would more firmly entrench traditional 'medicine', as people try to 'get their money's worth' from what they are taxed for.



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Re: I'm a believer

Posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on September 03, 2008 at 13:22:44:

In Reply to: I'm a believer posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 02, 2008 at 11:35:19:

Doesn't happen here in the UK ANN. Who enjoys going to the doctors or taking drugs unless they have a genuine need? Of course a minority of people will take advantage, but that is true of any system. Let's consider for a moment the big insurers and big pharma profiteering on a much grander scale within the for-profit healthcare model you support. You'd worry more about someone acquiring a few too many painkillers, over the billions made in blatant price-fixing and the offloading of unprofitable customers? How come you fear people trying to "get their money's worth", but not people suffering and dying because they haven't got any cover and fear financial ruin? It's an inhumane stance, on a par with support for the Iraq war.

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