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MVP and me

I see another MVP argument has sprung up on this board again. Truly, I don't know what to believe about this danged thing anymore. A bit over a year ago, I was having heart "flutters," especially triggered by movement, such as bending over. One cardiologist I went to mumbled something about the heart's electrical system and gave me beta blockers. I tried them and HATED them; made me feel SO sluggish and depressed. He never exactly told me what I had. His nurse finally told me I'd had some PVCs and a small run of SVTs. I went to another cardio and she did an ultra-sound on which even I could see the tiny little mitral valve bulging ever so slightly. She said I had MVP, it was a benign condition and I didn't need to take beta blockers (it would have side effects, NO kidding). But she DID recommned the antibiotics for dental work. Well, I was scared into doing it and both times I took the antibiotics, they tore my stomach up. I had indigestion for WEEKS afterward, and I'd never had ANY stomach problems before! I found a great GP, who uses some alternative medicine in his practice. HE said that MVP is just a variance of normal and I don't need the antibiotics in his opinion! Was I confused by now? You bet! I was a nervous wreck, having terrible insomnia, and became so aware of my heartbeat that I could feel every little blip! I found this board and decided to try Walt's approach (skilled relaxation, exercise, whole foods) about 4 months ago. Well, my heart still flops and flutters occasionally. But I'm sleeping so much better thanks to the SR and my pulse rate has come down a lot thanks to exercise. I'm still working on the whole foods diet. I still have some anxiety and I'm still too aware of my heart's every little move - but I'm doing better. Because I was nearly non-functional for a while there - SO stressed and scared, lost weight, stomach problems, etc. I don't know if the MVP caused all of this or not. But I do know that Walt never denied the existence of dysautonomia and that it does indeed cause symptoms! And I do know that his three-legged approach to health can't help but benefit ANYONE!!

Follow Ups:

• Re: MVP and me An Old Friend 17:24:31 10/01/99 (2)
  • Re: MVP and me (Vast untruth posted here!) Walt Stoll 12:10:17 10/02/99 (1)
    • YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. YOUR Testimonial is shot down An old friend 16:30:44 10/04/99 (0)
• Re: MVP and me (Archive under MVP.) Walt Stoll 11:07:59 10/01/99 (0)

In Reply to: MVP and me posted by Kathy S on September 30, 1999 at 15:30:14:

Thanks, Kathy.

Keep up thinking like that and you will eventually NOT be "confused".

Walt

In Reply to: MVP and me posted by Kathy S on September 30, 1999 at 15:30:14:

Hi Kathy S.,

I was on beta-blockers. I was extremely hesitant at first, but I was in so much misery for so long, I tried it after an in-depth discussion with my cardiologist. I took the first pill and almost immediately went to sleep for a couple of hours. When I woke up I felt significantly better (although still had a long way to go). I also tired quickly from doing even a small amount of walking. With TIME, these symptoms diminished significantly. (same for breathing too). At the end of one week I was dramatically improved. Over four months I continued to improve, until at that time the treatment was ended. My breathing returned to normal and I now feel fine.

SR, or any stress reduction technique will improve your condition. THIS ISN'T A STOLL BREAKTHROUGH. Exercise is required for MVP. The less you do, the less you can do. THIS IS NOT A STOLL BREAKTHROUGH.

What Dr Stoll does say that's unique (to him and some notable quacks), is that yeast causes MVP. It mistakenly attacks your mitral valve because it thinks it's attacking yeast. He also discourages beta blocker therapy. These are the issues that anger me. If I had followed "his stance" I'd be disabled by now. That's the truth.

I'm sure you'll do fine in the future. Your condition doesn't sound as severe as my own. Maybe you don't need what I did. Problem is, there are plenty people who visit this board who do. His advice on this subject does not promote healing in such patients. It's a good sign if you feel confused about MVP when you visit this site.

Follow Ups:

• Re: MVP and me (Vast untruth posted here!) Walt Stoll 12:10:17 10/02/99 (1)
  • YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. YOUR Testimonial is shot down An old friend 16:30:44 10/04/99 (0)

In Reply to: Re: MVP and me posted by An Old Friend on October 01, 1999 at 17:24:31:

Old Friend,

I NEVER, EVER, said that MVP was caused by candida. I have made a specific disclaimer many times about that. All I have said is that I have yet to see a person with MVP who did not have candida and whose symptoms did not clear upon dealing with the candida. THE MVP NEVER CHANGED ALTHOUGH THE SYMPTOMS DISAPPEARED! Explain that if you can!

This is a FAR cry from saying that candida causes MVP. MY belief is that the MVP (which exists in many, many people with NO symptoms) is an incidental finding. The symptoms ATTRIBUTED to the MVP by the doctor (mainly to get the patient with multiple complaints off their back) were, in many cases due to the candida--some were due to dysautonomia or LGS---all of which are related to the same mechanisms that lead to candida. It is hard to resolve the causes of one without also improving the others. THe conventional dogma is that candida does not exist so how can these symptoms be due to candida? Talk about "quackery"!

If you insist on being as dogmatic about this as the conmventional medical monopoly is, you will never see beyond it. Until you become knowledgable about this stuff, this BB would be better off without your trying to be a teacher.

Becoming knowledgable takes a LOT of effort. I have put in at least thousands of hours more than you (apparently) have to understand this. Please do not tie your poor understanding to anything I have said.

Walt

Follow Ups:

• YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. YOUR Testimonial is shot down An old friend 16:30:44 10/04/99 (0)

In Reply to: Re: MVP and me (Vast untruth posted here!) posted by Walt Stoll on October 02, 1999 at 12:10:17:

The conventional medical monopoly, as you refer to it, doesn't claim to have all the answers. That is because it restricts itself through FACTS AND DATA. Rightfully so, it is highly unethical to treat (or not treat) a patient based on theory that has not endured the rigorous scientific process.

TESTIMONIALS DO NOT A THERAPY MAKE. Because 1) they can be fabrications 2) they are easily shot down.

How do you explain the symptoms disappearing with beta-blocker therapy. Now we really have something here. Killing yeast infections with Toprol.