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Thanks, R.
Of course you are right. Actually, in scientific circles the terms are interchangable because, until recently, no conventional physicians took aromatherapy seriously (essential oils).
If you will notice I have been trying to break the habit of my medical training and changing the terms on this website. Patience.
The essential fatty acids are NOT capable of being synthesized by the human and I am open to research proving otherwise. This would be like saying that, after all, vitamin C can be synthesized by humans.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Questions about "essential oils" (Fatty acids) posted by Walt Stoll on November 01, 2000 at 10:17:25:
Dr. Stoll,
Have you read this article: garcia.efn.org/~raypeat/efatox.rtf ? The author, Ray Peat, is a researcher. Are you familiar with his work?
In Reply to: Have you read the article posted by R. on November 01, 2000 at 13:54:08:
Hi, R.
No.
Can you give me the gist of it?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article posted by Walt Stoll on November 03, 2000 at 10:26:29:
Sure, Walt.
The reason I pointed you to the article is because you said you would be open to research proving that essential fatty acids are capable of being synthesized by the human.
Here are the main points.
1. Dr. Peat refers to M. E. Hanke's work when he says that "EFA" are not "essential":
Essential fatty acids (EFA) are, according to the textbooks, linoleic acid and linolenic acid, and they are supposed to have the status of "vitamins," which must be taken in the diet to make life possible. However, we are able to synthesize our own unsaturated fats when we don't eat the "EFA," so they are not "essential." The term thus appears to be a misnomer. [M. E. Hanke, "Biochemistry," Encycl. Brit. Book of the Year, 1948.]
2. Vegetable oils (mainly, soybean oil, corn oil, safflower oil, canola, sesame oil, sunflower seed oil, palm oil, and any others that are labeled as "unsaturated" or "polyunsaturated") oils are hazardous to one's health. The material that makes these oils very toxic is the polyunsaturated fat itself. These oils easily get rancid (spontaneously oxidizing) when they are warm and exposed to oxygen.
The enzymes which break down proteins are inhibited by unsaturated fats, and these enzymes are needed not only for digestion, but also for production of thyroid hormones, clot removal, immunity, and the general adaptability of cells. The risks of abnormal blood clotting, inflammation, immune deficiency, shock, aging, obesity, and cancer are increased.
All systems of the body are harmed by an excess of these oils. There are three main kinds of damage: one, hormonal imbalances, two, damage to the immune system, and three, oxidative damage.
He explains these points. I was really hoping that you would spend more time on this topic, Dr. Walt. Maybe you could get in touch with Dr. Peat and discuss this in details. What if what he says has some merits to it?
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article posted by R. on November 03, 2000 at 17:02:47:
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In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article posted by R. on November 03, 2000 at 17:02:47:
Since this is absolutely contrary to what we've been led to believe (and again I bring up the name Dr. Johanna Budwig who spent some 50 years researching the benefits of flax oil on the various functions of the human body) that I also hope that Dr. Stoll can find the time to persue this question a little deeper.
I found the article fascinating and quite plausible the way it was presented. But I do not have any scientific training to validate or disprove this.
Let's see what Dr. Stoll has to say.
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article posted by R. on November 03, 2000 at 17:02:47:
Thanks, R.
Did you notice the age of that article? There has been MUCH research in the past 50 years refuting that stand. I am sure that, if Dr Peat is still alive, that he would be the first to admit that.
ALL fats get rancid when exposed to those conditions long enough. Anyone who went without eating ANY fat would die within a year.
ANYTHING taken "in excess" can make the point that is can be damaging.
Read Dr Udo Erasmus' stuff OR, better yet, contact Functional Medicine Update for the bibliography of world research (over the past 10 years) in this area--> (800) 843-9660 OR go to their website at healthcomm.com
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article (Archive in essential fatty acids.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 05, 2000 at 08:28:41:
The article is dated 1996. What WAS old was one of the sources he refered to, not Dr. Peat's article. Dr. Peat is alive and well and is probably not as old as you think he is.
You said, "ALL fats get rancid when exposed to those conditions long enough."
Dr. Peat says unsaturated fats get rancid MUCH faster than unsaturated ones.
He also talks about other issues that you skipped such as the following (I'll just list what grabbed my attention):
- enzymes which break down proteins are inhibited by unsaturated fats;
- unsaturated oils block thyroid hormone secretion;
- unsaturated fats directly kill white blood cells;
- Alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver cannot occur unless there are unsaturated oils in the diet. [Nanji and French, Life Sciences. 44, 1989.];
- heart disease can be produced by unsaturated oils, and prevented by adding saturated oils to the diet. [J. K. G. Kramer, et al., Lipids 17, 372, 1983.];
- he says that hydrogenated oils have been found to make the oils less likely to cause cancer;
- a large amount of cod liver oil in dogs' diet increased their death rate from cancer by 20 times, from the usual 5% to 100%;
- diet rich in fish oil causes intense production of toxic lipid peroxides, and has been observed to reduce a man's sperm count to zero. [H. Sinclair, Prog. Lipid Res. 25, 667, 1989.];
- unsaturated fats intensify estrogen's harmful effects;
- heart damage is easily produced in animals by feeding them linoleic acid;
- immunosuppression was observed in patients who were being "nourished" by intravenous emulsions of "essential fatty acids";
- unsaturated fats suppress the metabolic rate;
- unsaturated fats damage the mitochondria;
And important statement he makes is "It isn't the quantity of these polyunsaturated oils which governs the harm they do, but the relationship between them and the saturated fats. Obesity, free radical production, the formation of age pigment, blood clotting, inflammation, immunity, and energy production are all responsive to the ratio of unsaturated fats to saturated fats, and the higher this ratio is, the greater the probability of harm there is."
If you are interested to learn something new that has a potential to be true, read Dr. Peat's other article also:
http://garcia.efn.org/~raypeat/coconut.rtf. This is in addition to http://garcia.efn.org/~raypeat/efatox.rtf.
Dr. Stoll, I've seen Tolstoy Syndrome mentioned by you in the archive a few times. I really hope you don't suffer from it yourself. Please study these articles, don't limit your knowledge of Dr. Peat's research to my summaries of his articles. How will you feel if n number of years from now it turns out that Dr. Peat is right and you haven't taken the time to study the issues he brings up, and by that time you will have advised wrong things to thousands of people? I am only talking about the unsaturated oils. I strongly believe in what you say about stress and exercise.
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article (Archive in essential fatty acids.) posted by R. on November 05, 2000 at 14:35:13:
I, too, would be quite inerested in hearing Walt's opinion on this, once he has taken time to read the research and articles. Many of us on this board are taking essential fatty acids such as flaxseed oil and it is VERY important that we try to understand if we are doing the right thing.
Joanna
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article (Archive in essential fatty acids.) posted by R. on November 05, 2000 at 14:35:13:
Hi, R.
I would guess I am the opposite of the Tolstoy effect. However, not being an expert in biochemistry, I have to believe in someone. I believe in Erasmus. Since his opinions are diametrically opposed to Peat's the only way I know to resolve it is for people to use their own laboratory (their bodymind) and test how they do taking (or not taking) the essential fatty acids. I am taking them.
I hope they will share with me how they do. Perhaps I will learn something.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article (Archive in essential fatty acids.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 07, 2000 at 09:59:56:
Walt,
I agree with what you said about leting your own body/mind
determine what you should take. I have tried Many things and
go by wether I feel better or worse after taking something
and if I have a problem like a headache or stomach
discomfort I usually take that as a sign that that item
isn't for Me. Could be my body chemistry at the time for
some reason and could change later and if it something I
need like food I am going to try to find out why it is
causing a problem if it never did before. I have had a few
stomach problems with aspirins even coated ones and I
usually have No problems with uncoated ones and zinc which
has helped me a lot so I try to figure out why. Taking
them together is more often a problem but not always.
I feel our bodies will tell us if something is good or bad
and maybe not that necessary but things Do change.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Have you read the article (Archive in essential fatty acids.) posted by Vince F on November 07, 2000 at 12:16:57:
EXCELLENT POINT, Vince!
I have made a big deal about SR needing to be changed as one becomes "weller" since we DO change as we change our degrees of wellness (up OR down). The path to the top of the mountain changes daily.
Namaste`
Walt
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