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Hello Walt,
I respect your work and time spent on this BB.
I just wanted to express, however, that I am a little surprised and perhaps even a little disappointed that you did not take a larger and more serious interest in the flax oil/coconut oil (Dr. Peat) discussions we have had over here over the last week or so.
You seem an open minded man and certainly you encourage us to be so in our approach to health and healing. I just wish you had been a little more open in your approach to this particular issue. As R. pointed out, you recommend EFA's quite highly, so it is rather important that you show an investigative interest in research on the matter, even ones that do not agree with your views. I realise there is a lot to read out there, but Dr. Peat seemed a candidate to be taken seriously.
I know many expressed that they, like me, would very much have liked your opinions or thoughts on this. But obviously, in the end, it is your perogative.
Joanna
In Reply to: To walt posted by Joanna on November 13, 2000 at 06:41:54:
In the medical field nothing is ever black and white. In the end WE will have to decide ourselves whom we believe. By not getting involved in this controversy Dr. Stoll has stimulated some very valuable research on behalf of the BB participants and WE have uncovered some interesting albeit controversial information. This whole process strengthtens Dr. Stoll's wish that we educate ourselves...under his selective guidance.
After all HE'S CERTAIN THAT EFA'S ARE BENEFICIAL. So it's up to US to prove him wrong.
make sense?
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: EFA controversy - another way to look at it posted by Rosemarie on November 13, 2000 at 10:01:19:
Oh I am perfectly aware of all of that - that is why WE did investigate and discuss and I was very happy to do so - I would think that was clear.
The point of my post was that it would have been nice to have HIS input in the conversation too, specifically regarding something new to this board and perhaps to Walt too. Let's not forget that he not only endorses OUR education, but also HIS own.
Do be aware that I am not FORCING HIM TO RESPOND OR ATTACKING HIM, merely expressing my views in that I feel rather surprised by his lack of curiousity on this issue. But like I said, in the end, it is HIS perogative!
Make sense?
Joanna
In Reply to: To walt posted by Joanna on November 13, 2000 at 06:41:54:
It seems to me that you can study issues like these to death and still not end up with the right answer for everyone. Different people can eat the same stuff and have completely different things happen internally. It's all food, provided by nature - eat it and go by how you feel!
Nature Guy
In Reply to: Re: EFA controversy - another way to look at it posted by Joanna on November 13, 2000 at 11:33:35:
Yes, Joanna, I understand. And this was not an attack on or criticsm of you. I just don't know how much free time Dr. Stoll has to do the research. And it DOES take a certain amount of time.
Yet, all you and R. wanted from him were his thoughts on what you presented to him. Not unreasonable. If he needs more time to look into it he should say so.
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: EFA controversy - another way to look at it posted by Joanna on November 13, 2000 at 11:33:35:
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In Reply to: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Nature Guy on November 13, 2000 at 11:54:31:
How odd that you should say that. There are foods "provided by nature" that can easily kill.
The whole point of the discussion on EFA's was to try and learn as much as possible about the claims that unsaturated oils can cause cancer - which as we all know can kill!
Joanna
In Reply to: Re: EFA controversy - another way to look at it posted by Rosemarie on November 13, 2000 at 12:13:01:
Thanks Rosemarie.
To be frank, it is not that I am desperately seeking his opinions or research at all - those of you who have already provided their thoughts did a fantastic job and it was enough.
I just got the feeling that he did not want to deal with a new issue which he had perhaps had not come across or thought about before. And for someone who is always encouraging others to have an "open mind" and to educate themselves, on this particular matter he does come across as too comfortable to deal with a new issue and prefers to stick to his old ways - exactly the thing he preaches against. I was just expressing my surprise and slight disappointment at this. Apart from that, I DO respect his work on this board - he is helping many, including myself, daily.
Joanna
In Reply to: Re: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Joanna on November 14, 2000 at 08:01:24:
Don't throw away scientific knowlege but cobine it with your instincts! Primitive people knew not to poision themselves.
NG
In Reply to: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Nature Guy on November 13, 2000 at 11:54:31:
Because if it wasn't super complicated the people on this board would have nothing to neurose about.
In Reply to: Re: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Nature Guy on November 14, 2000 at 09:19:39:
> Primitive people knew not to poision themselves.
You really don't know that. You can only speculate what primitive people knew and ate. You weren't there then; thefore, you can't even know for sure if primitive people existed. You've only seen something that looked like drawings on cave walls, and you assumed those were drawings made by the primitive people.
But let's say they did exist. How do you know that many of them didn't die from eating poisonous plants and animals. People still die for this reason.
Forgive me if this sounds rude, but your instincts combined with scientific knowlege didn't seem to keep you healthy. I judge it by your presence on this board. So you must be looking for something you don't know. So are we.
In Reply to: Re: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by R. on November 14, 2000 at 17:10:38:
No, you didn't sound rude; thanks for the well thought response. I should have been more clear; when I said primitive people I was referring to the healthy people documented in a book by Dr. Weston Price (sorry the title escapes me). These people had very little disease (no speculation, documented fact). They lived off the land. The different groups studied had very different diets.
The point I was trying to make was that in my opinion we have lost our instinct for which foods are good for us. I would not want to eat based on someone's study of some people I don't even know living somewhere very different from where I live. If I want Omega-3 oils I can walk out my door and find some Purslane. If I want vitamin C I can go pick some rose hips.
I just wanted to express that philosophy. You're correct, I did come here because I had a herniated disk problem a year ago. There's a lot of good information here.
NG
In Reply to: Re: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Nature Guy on November 14, 2000 at 09:19:39:
This statement you made was to say the least quite daft. Luckily you gave R. a reply that perhaps shows a different side.
In Reply to: To walt posted by Joanna on November 13, 2000 at 06:41:54:
Thanks, Joanna, for your note.
I didn't spend a lot of time on this because I already spend a lot of time keeping up with the world experts in this, and many other, areas. I have hired a search organization to search the world literature and I get a report from them every month.
There ARE mavericks out there and I trust this organization to let me know when any of them prove to not be off on a tangent. It has never mentioned Dr Peat. That tells me that it would likely be a waste of my time to study his work.
I know that I may eventually miss something important this way but I have to do what I have time and energy to do, too.
This service has served me VERY well over the past 20 years and I trust that they will report on Dr Peat's work whenever it means something.
Hope this helps.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: To walt posted by Joanna on November 13, 2000 at 06:41:54:
Thanks, Joanna, for your note.
I didn't spend a lot of time on this because I already spend a lot of time keeping up with the world experts in this, and many other, areas. I have hired a search organization to search the world literature and I get a report from them every month.
There ARE mavericks out there and I trust this organization to let me know when any of them prove to not be off on a tangent. It has never mentioned Dr Peat. That tells me that it would likely be a waste of my time to study his work.
I know that I may eventually miss something important this way but I have to do what I have time and energy to do, too.
This service has served me VERY well over the past 20 years and I trust that they will report on Dr Peat's work whenever it means something.
Hope this helps.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Nature Guy on November 15, 2000 at 04:31:56:
I feel I have an instinct for what I should eat. I feel I
get the taste of something and wether cake, veggies, or
meat if I eat the one I Think I should it can actually be
upseting and Even the thought of the unwanted item can be
upseting. There are many things that make me think I know
like when I learn the the legumes and yellow veggie i mainly
eat form a complete protein while I don't feel I eat many
veggies like leafy green ones but when I do I may eat them
so often I get sick of them. There are a few I dislike and
will only eat smothered in cream sauce and some make me feel
that the Suck nutrients out of my body. I don't like anything
that isn't satisfying or filling which leafy greens aren't
and when I look into what they have I may be missing I
usually find out that what I Do prefer has the same or more
nutrients than the famous ones. I keep hearing I should eat
bananas to get potassium while they don't agree with me now
but I Love potatoes and they have 2X the potassium.
In the fall I get a panicky feeling and stock up on food.
I don't live in an area with weather problems so don't feel
it is a worry about shortages but feel the cold weather
signals me that I will be eating more being more active.
Some things can be learned but my Dad ate by the book
which I couldn't agree with since I respond o immediate needs
while he thought long term even if he couldn't prove the
while my mothers father satisfied the current need and
didn't worry about later. Seems like fears or no fears but
my grandfather lived longer and was healthier and my dad
told me to do what my gradfather did and not him when in the
CCU.
VF
In Reply to: Re: why does it have to be so complicated? posted by Nature Guy on November 15, 2000 at 04:31:56:
The book is called "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Weston A. Price, DDS. It's a wonderful example of how people all over the world can stay disease free eating only their local food...IF they don't start mixing it with "civilized" food.
Did you know his foundation has a website? Here's the link.
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: To walt (Archive in Oils.) posted by Walt Stoll on November 15, 2000 at 08:17:50:
Hello Walt,
Your reply is appreciated, I understand your position. Thank you.
Joanna
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