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FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by R. on May 03, 2002 at 18:22:48:

Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density in Elderly WomenM

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Apr 10 - Dietary animal protein appears to play a protective role in the skeletal health of older women, according to a report in the April 1st issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.

In a prospective study, Dr. Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, of the University of California, San Diego, in La Jolla, California, and colleagues examined the associations of total, animal, and vegetable protein with bone mineral density (BMD) and bone loss in 572 women and 388 men between the ages of 55 and 92 years.

"Multiple linear regression analyses adjusted for standard osteoporosis covariates showed a positive association between animal protein consumption, assessed by food frequency questionnaires in 1988-1992, and BMD, measured 4
years later," the investigators report.

The association was significant in women. For them, BMD increased by 0.016 g/cm at the hip (p = 0.005) for every 15-g/day increase in animal protein intake. BMD was also increased at the femoral neck, spine, and total body by 0.012 g/cm (p = 0.02), 0.015 g/cm (p = 0.08), and 0.010
g/cm (p = 0.04), respectively.

Vegetable protein was negatively associated with BMD in both men and women.

"These findings, along with the intriguing observation of a negative association between vegetable protein consumption and BMD, have significant implications for osteoporosis prevention strategies and warrant further investigation in
elderly cohorts," Dr. Barrett-Connor and colleagues conclude.

Am J Epidemiol 2002;155:636-644.

Taken from Dr. Byrne's newsletter. www.powerhealth.net



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Raisa on May 03, 2002 at 18:55:04:

In Reply to: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 03, 2002 at 18:22:48:

Hi, R -
Good thing the members of my family weren't included in that study! Meat was the main part of their diet; however, all the females had severe osteoporosis by the age of 65.
Don't you think that genetics has a lot to do with bone density? Raisa



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Helping You on May 03, 2002 at 19:45:06:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Raisa on May 03, 2002 at 18:55:04:

That may very well be but do your family members typically eat LEAN meats or do they eat meats with the fat and chicken with the skin on? If they don't eat the fat/skin with the meat, the protein does not get absorbed well and calcium is taken from the bones to aid digestion and buffer acidity. That could be one factor in their osteoporosis.

-HY



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Raisa - to Helping you on May 03, 2002 at 20:09:59:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Helping You on May 03, 2002 at 19:45:06:

Hi, Helping You -
As far as I know, they all ate the skin and fat because in those days nothing bad was said about skin and fat on meats.
I always ate the skin and fat also until about 10 years ago, at which time I "cut down" on it but still found it hard to resist. However, I did not know that the protein doesn't get absorbed well without the fat and skin! Now I won't feel so guilty when I eat pork and chicken skin - nice and crisp and delicious! Raisa



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by R. on May 03, 2002 at 20:14:40:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Raisa - to Helping you on May 03, 2002 at 20:09:59:

It's not the skin that help digestion of protein, but fat attached to it. Just to make sure...



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Vince F on May 04, 2002 at 00:12:36:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Raisa - to Helping you on May 03, 2002 at 20:09:59:

I heard that calcium moves in the bones naturally and that
acid is what causes this and too much acid makes the
calcium move out of the bones and body so what is good for
normal function can be bad when in excess.

VF

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Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 01:06:04:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 03, 2002 at 20:14:40:

Well, I was just about to have a meal with steak and then I read these posts.

So are you guys saying that I should eat the lard/fat(that yukky white stuff) on the meat. I cant stand the taste of the fat on the meat. Some of it is really hard to eat, breakdown, chew.I always cut this off before eating the meat. Do I really need to keep it on if I want to get all of the nutrients. Geez, I really hope not! ;-)I dont know if I could stomach the fat on the meat as well.

Sensual



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by R. on May 04, 2002 at 04:14:34:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 01:06:04:

That's what I learned on WAPF site. Natives were observed to hunt animals, take their fat and discard the rest. I like lard myself.



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Vince F on May 04, 2002 at 05:19:44:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 04, 2002 at 04:14:34:

I think a lot might depend on how much energy/calories
someone is burning up in their activities. I like fat
sometimes but not exclusively. It seems like our bodies
would tell us what we would need at different times. There
can always be a problem and one consumes food or fat that
they don't need and body fat would be a way to tell what
one should consume, like low or high fat.

I am always amazed how bears will gorge them selves on
fat when they are fatening up to hibernate. They Leave the
meaty part of fish. Something must trigger the craving since
I don't think that they decide which they want. I think that
sometimes we need to let the animal in us decide.

VF



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 06:49:41:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Vince F on May 04, 2002 at 05:19:44:

I had my two pieces of rump steak tonight for dinner. YUM! I even cooked it with the fat left on. Wasnt as bad as I initially thought it would be. ;>)

I just hope that it doesnt mean I am going to put on weight if I keep eating this way. That wont be good! ;>(

I did cook it medium-rare. It tastes better that way and seems much easier to digest.

Thanks for the advice.

BTW, How many people here eat meat raw?? I just dont think I could ever do it, at least not in this lifetime! Does it taste really strange eating it raw? Like did it take a long time to adjust to eating it raw, and what benefits did you get as compared to eating it cooked.

Sensual



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Posted by Walt Stoll on May 04, 2002 at 09:50:56:

In Reply to: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 03, 2002 at 18:22:48:

Thanks, R.

It will be interesting to see where this "study" is in 50 years.

Since Americans have the highest incidence of osteopororsis in the world, and eat the most meat per capita in the world, the findings of this study is almost humerous.

Perhaps, as resistant to learning as I am :>) I can still learn something new.

Namaste`

Walt

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Posted by Walt Stoll on May 04, 2002 at 09:50:57:

In Reply to: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 03, 2002 at 18:22:48:

Thanks, R.

It will be interesting to see where this "study" is in 50 years.

Since Americans have the highest incidence of osteopororsis in the world, and eat the most meat per capita in the world, the findings of this study is almost humerous.

Perhaps, as resistant to learning as I am :>) I can still learn something new.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density (Archive in

Posted by Helping You on May 05, 2002 at 14:51:32:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density (Archive in posted by Walt Stoll on May 04, 2002 at 09:50:57:

True, but Americans also have the highest DAIRY consumption, fast food consumption, and lowest fruits and vegetable intake in the world. Amnericans are not getting the calcium they need because of their high milk consumption and low vegetable consumption. Another problem is, most Americans eat their meat "lean", with no skin or fat which is vital for the absorption of protein. Also, Americans have a habit of "charring" their meats, another practice that can lead to health consequences. So, it seems premature at this time to be able to isolate any one factor, even one as seemingly obvious as meat. Even worse, researchers will continue to conduct inconclusive studies due to the lack of preparation taken. They'll prove meat causes osteoporosis but the study will be done with an isolated amino acid powder and the sujects will be a form of rodent already suseptible to the disease. I don't believe we can trust much of the research being done.

-HY



Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density (Archive in osteoporosi

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 06, 2002 at 10:17:12:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density (Archive in posted by Helping You on May 05, 2002 at 14:51:32:

Thanks, HY.

ALL too true! It is interesting to see an originally useful concept (allopathy) dig itself into a hole by insisting that it is the ONLY concept legal to consider. It has reached the ultimate absurdity of a simplistic paradigm and has to stop holding a monopoly over our thinking.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by R. on May 06, 2002 at 12:49:20:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 06:49:41:

Don't you eat raw liver, Sensual?



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Donna E. on May 06, 2002 at 13:18:56:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 06:49:41:

My husband is from Lebanon and they eat raw meat a lot. They eat something that is equivalent to steak tartar (it is ground meat with bulgar, spices and other things mixed into it) and raw liver. I wouldn't eat any of the meat you get in the grocery store raw. My husband doesn't eat raw meat over here in the US. He only eats home grown raw meat when we go to Lebanon.

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Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Sensual on May 06, 2002 at 19:56:46:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 06, 2002 at 12:49:20:

No, R.

I have never been able to bring myself to eat raw meat. How do you do it? You must be a stronger person than me to tolerate it! ;-)

On Sunday I grilled the meat this time instead of frying it on the stove. Smothered it in barbecue sauce. YUM! Only this time I cooked it medium rare, and it was sooooooooo goood.

I also noticed that It was much easier to digest, no bloating at all. I felt real comfortable after eating it. I will have to keep cooking it that way.

R. Did it take you a while to adjust to eating raw meat? I doubt I could do it at this point. Do you think that cooking it medium rare would still be nutritious????

Sensual



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by R. on May 07, 2002 at 20:50:43:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Sensual on May 06, 2002 at 19:56:46:

I don't eat much raw meat. I mostly cook it rare to medium rare.

I am not an expert on eating raw meat. I got introduced to it quite recently and still learning and gradually getting used it. People who do it recommend that you start slowly. Just eat a small peice of raw meat. If you like, add some spices to it. Garlic, tomatoes, pepper should make it taste good. Once you get over the fear and see that there's not much to it, you'd be able to increase percentage of raw in your diet.

Yes, I think medium rare will still be nutritious. You feel it, don't you? Some people wouldn't be able to eat even medium rare. Perhaps, you'd be able to move on to rarer meats, with time. According to Dr. Bieler and the MD who uses RAF to cure her terminal patients, very rare is just fine.

I am not sure what you mean by grilling. Does that involve open fire? Open fire is not recommended as it exposes meat to high temperatures and smoke, and neither is good. This applies to any food. Slower cooking at lower temps is recommended over high temp cooking.



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Sensual on May 07, 2002 at 22:08:31:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by R. on May 07, 2002 at 20:50:43:

Thanks R.

Hmmm, I did cook it over extremely high temperatures. There was smoke, splattering of fat, and a small fire sparked in the Griller. Scared me half to death despite assurances from my sister! Thought Iwas going to burn the kitchen down. ;-)

Grilling = cooking it under electric coils. Does that Make sense???

So how do you recommend I cook it then? In the oven, on low, and how long would I have to cook it for?

Sensual



Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by R. on May 08, 2002 at 11:52:17:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Sensual on May 07, 2002 at 22:08:31:

You are getting in specifics that I don't feel comfortable giving advise for. Join native-nutrition yahoo group and post your question there.

Cooking creates poisons, and the higher the temperature, the worse it gets.

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Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Raisa on May 08, 2002 at 14:32:36:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Sensual on May 07, 2002 at 22:08:31:

Hi, Sensual - When carcinogens are mentioned as coming from grilled meat, it means meat that is cooked in a charcoal grill and allowed to catch fire and get charred, I think.
I just read recently that if you flip hamburgers very often during grilling it will reduce the amount of hamburger drippings that react with heat to form suspected carcinogens. I know that in recipes it says grilling outdoors or broiling indoors. I could certainly be wrong, though. Raisa



Re: Thanks Raisa FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density

Posted by Sensual on May 08, 2002 at 19:36:52:

In Reply to: Re: FYI: Animal Protein Consumption Associated With Bone Density posted by Raisa on May 08, 2002 at 14:32:36:

Thanks for your input Raisa. Thats all I needed to know. Thanks for putting it in laymens terms. I appreciate that.

Sensual

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