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I'm happy to report some good news, thanks to Dr. Stoll and my local chiropractor, who provides me with Cal Apatite. I had a bone density test in January of 1998, which (at age 48) put me in the borderline range in my hip and pre-osteoporotic range in my lumbar (back). I started on the Cal Apatite, 500mg, 3 X daily in April, 1998. I have been on estrogen for years. I also changed to a high-protein, low carb, mostly whole foods diet around that time, and began some supplements as directed by an iridologist.
Yesterday, I repeated the bone density test, and my lumbar showed 2.06% bone growth! The hip is the same. That puts both in the borderline range, which certainly beats pre-osteoporosis! My endocrinologist assured me that this is a significant growth in bone. I am confident that I will continue to improve, and if I'd get more consistent with my exercise, I'm sure I'd improve even faster! I feel that the Cal Apatite is the biggest factor in the improvement, but all components (diet, exercise, supplements, hormones) are important.
In Reply to: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Nancy on April 08, 1999 at 22:57:35:
Nancy,
But I thought that a high protein, low carb diet would leech the calcium out of your bones?!
Just kidding of course!
Congratulations and thanks very much for your testimonial. I'm not the least surprised by the results.
Bob
In Reply to: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Nancy on April 08, 1999 at 22:57:35:
>if I'd get more consistent with my exercise, I'm sure I'd improve even faster! <
Are you doing resistance training? Free weight exercises (squats, rows, deadlift, benchpress, etc.) and other weight-bearing exercises have been shown to be extremely helpful in maintaining bone density. Note that aerobics and swimming have not exhibited as great a benefit.
In Reply to: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Nancy on April 08, 1999 at 22:57:35:
Here's another link about the effect of exercise on bone density..
In Reply to: Re: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Robert McFerran on April 08, 1999 at 23:29:16:
nmi
In Reply to: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Rosemarie on April 10, 1999 at 01:16:35:
Rosemarie,
I don't know how you got to rebounding from this thread about bone-loss?
Rebounding is an exercise alternative for times when you can't do conventional exercise (i.e. walking).
Bob
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Robert McFerran on April 10, 1999 at 11:09:24:
Bob,
Seems I remember something about increased bone volume (or at least the cessation of bone loss) being brought about by the anabolic activity stimulated by weight bearing exercise. Could that be the tie-in?
Jim H.
Using big words he doesn't understand.
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Robert McFerran on April 10, 1999 at 11:09:24:
Hi Bob,
Since I am the big rebounder advocate on this BB I can't let this one go by. BIG GRIN !!!!
Rebounding only for times when you can't go walking?!!!!!
No, No, No!!!!!
Rebounding is an exercise you do in ADDITION to other exercises as well as when you can't do anything else.
Rebounding strengthens ALL the cells in the body (including bone, as Jim mentions). Rebounding has many benefits that other exercises are not as good at delivering with less impact. Walking is good and I wouldn't give it up as an exercise. (lots of psychological benefits, especially, fresh air, sunshine, birds etc. (Although rebounding can be done outside, also)
I am not going to go into all the benefits. These can be found in Morton Walker's article at www.needakmfg.com
I rebound for 25 minutes in the a.m. before I go rollerblading. I rollerblade better since I started the rebounding-more stamina, too. Rebounding increases balance, rhythm, coordination, dexterity and improves performance in any other exercise or sport. It's not just to improve health, which it does do.
Okay, I wasn't going to go on and on. Try it, you'll like it.
Namaste'
Helen
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Jim H on April 10, 1999 at 11:52:04:
Hi Jim,
I'll try the occasional big word too -- or even make 'em up!
I just don't understand why folks are asking ME about rebounding and it's benefits. I've used it at times prior to my hip and shoulder replacement surgeries where walking and even swimming were untenable. Basically I was sitting on the mini-tramp and bouncing on my butt.
Since bone formation has a lot to do with the piezoelectric effect created from stress applied across a crystal (in this case crystaline bone) I can see how rebounding would place gentle stress in bone crystal with each cycle.
In general, with exercise something is better than NOTHING. Rebounding is GREAT for folks like myself that were forced into a NOTHING situation.
Bob
In Reply to: Re: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Robert McFerran on April 08, 1999 at 23:29:16:
>But I thought that a high protein, low carb diet would leech the calcium out of your bones?!
Just kidding of course!<
Plus don't forget the protein will ruin your kidneys protein and you'll turn into a tub of lard from 'all that fat.'
Not.
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Helen David on April 10, 1999 at 12:55:24:
Helen
Your link did not work for me when I clicked on to it.
In Reply to: Re: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Robert McFerran on April 08, 1999 at 23:29:16:
Bob
Right, and processed carbs are good for your bones!
Of course, my closed-minded rheumy gave no credit to the Cal Apatite or diet, but rather to the hormone patches which I was on for years (either iin patch or pill form) prior to and during the time the bones started to deteriorate! I only go to him now for the test and I won't see him for another 2-3 years. I'm very confident that the program I'm on is promoting bone growth, decresing pain, and enhancing general health!
Thanks a bunch!
Nancy
In Reply to: Re: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Nancy on April 11, 1999 at 13:12:56:
Hi Nancy, I have been following this thread and am much appreciative of your testimony. I am stocking up on supplements and would like to add the hydroxyapatite to my shopping list. I am looking at a product by Ethical Nutrients (which is the same as Metagenics I think)......their product is called Bone Builder there is one available with magnesium, and one without. Would you be so kind as to describe what is on the product label that you are using... It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Denise W.
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Nancy on April 11, 1999 at 13:04:57:
Nancy,
That is not surprising. I am not too terrific at this computer stuff. Just go to www.needakmfg.com and click on the Townsend Letter in the upper left corner. I just tried that out and that works.
Helen
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? Address posted by Helen David on April 11, 1999 at 17:08:40:
In Reply to: Re: hydroxyapatite testimony (Question for Nancy) posted by Denise Wyrick on April 11, 1999 at 16:51:56:
Hi, Denise!
Mine is by Metagenics. I get it from my chiropractor or through N.E.E.D.S. at 1-800-634-1380. It is Cal Apatite WITH BORON. I don't know why we need the boron, but Walt says so, and I believe him! I don't think the Bone Builder is the same thing, but I could be wrong. Please, someone with more knowledge than I, correct me if I'm wrong! There seems to be some controversy as to whether or not Vitamin D is absolutely essential for proper absorption (assimilation?), but I haven't been taking any D for quite a while, and yet I'm growing bone. I don't exercise enough to make a significant difference, I don't think, so it must be the Cal Apatite and H-G diet.
Now, I'm having to wear glasses on top of contacts to read the minute print on the bottle, but in addition to the calcium and microcrystalline hydoxyapatite, it has phophorus, boron, some trace minerals, and substiuent amino acids (whatever that means).
Sure hope this helps!
Nancy
Robert says (I hope this is right) that H-Gs don't need magnesium supplements, and my iridologist agrees with that by way of muscle testing. I've always tested negative for it.
In Reply to: Re: Bob where does rebounding fit into this? (NMI) posted by Robert McFerran on April 10, 1999 at 13:14:57:
Bob,
I had rebounding on my mind and just thought you might know whether this would help boneloss as well. I've noticed how people turn to you for advice and direction and naturally thought to ask you.
The answers were quite interesting, though.
I'll try to watch myself next time :-)
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: hydroxyapatite testimony posted by Lincoln on April 09, 1999 at 18:05:49:
Lincoln
All winter, I mostly did Yoga twice a week, and occasionally walked. Now that the weather is warm, I've been walking 2 miles (1/2 hour) 2-3 times a week and doing Yoga once. I have a weight machine program that I go through at my health club, but haven't been working on it since last fall.
I'll check out the website.
Thanks.
Nancy
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