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question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by
Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:

I am 45 and have been taking HRT for 16 years. A week ago I had an osteoporosis test which found spinal osteopenia. And a mammagram which I have fibrocystic breasts. My doctor has now prescribed me a different type of hormone...Livia. Please can I know more about Livia and will my bone density continue to decrease. Thank you



Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by trudy on October 08, 2002 at 08:45:34:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:

I also have osteopinea. Yes, it can be stopped and even reversed with appropriate meds.

I don't know anything about Livia. However, my doc who treats me for osteopinea did a blood test and found that my body doesn't use vitamin D efficiently. He says this is quite common, and is easily fixed by prescription-strength vitamin D. Without enough Vitamin D, the body can't use calcium well. Since I have been on that, my bone density has been increasing.

I also have to take either hrt or another med in addition to the vit D to make this work. We are currently in the hrrt or not hrt quandry do to the new research results saying hrt causes problems.

He is a specialist, an endochrinologist(sp?). My internist had missed the vitamin D problem completely, because my calcium blood test was normal. The specialist said, okay, its normal, but no healthy person ever has a calcium level that low.

Don't try to treat this yourself by snarfing a lot of vitamin D. Excess vitamin D can cause severe problems, so you really need a doc to monitor this.

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Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by trudy on October 08, 2002 at 08:49:53:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:

I wonder if your med is actually called Livia. Maybe it is Evista?

My doc doesn't like it, because he says there is a significant blood clot risk associated with it.
For example, if you are sick in bed, you have to stop the Evista.


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Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by RickyDC on October 08, 2002 at 09:40:48:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:


what you are suffering now are only the logic consequences of such insane therapy.
16 years of synthetic hormones IS a LOT.
still, A LOT can be done.

do you exercise?
do you eat sugars?
do you smoke?
exercise?
do you eat refined carbs?
do you use dairies?

these are the main culprits of your conditions, not mentioning the emotional issues/bracing field....

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Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by RickyDC on October 08, 2002 at 11:28:43:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:


what you are suffering now are only the logic consequences of such insane therapy.
16 years of synthetic hormones IS a LOT.
still, A LOT can be done.

do you exercise?
do you eat sugars?
do you smoke?
exercise?
do you eat refined carbs?
do you use dairies?

these are the main culprits of your conditions, not mentioning the emotional issues/bracing field....

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Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by
zarin on October 08, 2002 at 17:32:22:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:

Why do you need to be on HRT? It is best avoided if possible. I had a hysterectomy when I was 24 and am now 50 and am NOT on HRT. I had a hormonal imbalance and was on HRT, which in turn caused me to develop polyps and the end result was a hysterectomy. You can ingest naturally occuring hormones by including soy products into your diet. Exercise is essential in maintaining good bone density as well.

Allopathic medicine does not offer cures. It may be necessary to tide one through a crisis but in the end you must be willing to accept a holistic approach to healing. There are no magic pills to heal your body, your body will heal itself, provided you give it the right environment to do so. Good luck.



Dr. John Lee

Posted by Pam on October 08, 2002 at 20:01:55:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:


Hi,

I suggest you get a copy of Dr. John Lee's book, What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Menopause.

You can read about it at his website:
http://www.johnleemd.com/books.html

Hope this helps,
Pam




Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by Eleni on October 09, 2002 at 02:55:54:

In Reply to: Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by zarin on October 08, 2002 at 17:32:22:

I work out 5-6 days a week with weight bearing exercise....I live in Cyprus and therefore receive a healthy amount of vitamin D. My ovaries were both removed and therefore I was on HRT for 16 yrs and Livial by Tibolone is a very new HRT which has new cancer side effects as it it synthetic and very very low dosage but enough to compat osteporosis...or so I have been told. I eat lots of dairy products, fruit and vegetables.

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Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by Eleni on October 09, 2002 at 03:03:34:

In Reply to: Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by zarin on October 08, 2002 at 17:32:22:

I work out 5-6 days a week with weight bearing exercise....I live in Cyprus and therefore receive a healthy amount of vitamin D. My ovaries were both removed and therefore I was on HRT for 16 yrs and Livial by Tibolone is a very new HRT which has no cancer side effects as it it synthetic and very very low dosage but enough to compat osteporosis...or so I have been told. I eat lots of dairy products, fruit and vegetables.



Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by Ricky DC on October 09, 2002 at 05:52:27:

In Reply to: Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 09, 2002 at 03:03:34:

"I eat lots of dairy products"

this is the classic situation of osteoporotic ladies that stuff themself to the gills with dairies, w/out relizing that are making their condition WORSE.
a lot has been written of the long-term effects of pasteurized cow milk on human body, so just make a search.

stay away from all acid-forming foods, that increase bone reabsoption. the biggest offenders are dairies, refined carbs and meats.
organic butter is fine.
get some hefty doses of mineral teas, like horsetail+nettle+fenugreek

not having ovaries makes things a bit more complicated, maybe a 1-2% natural progesterone cream may help you out.



Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis (Archive in osteoporosis.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 09, 2002 at 08:06:37:

In Reply to: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Eleni on October 08, 2002 at 07:19:14:

Hi, Eleni.

Listen to Doc Ricky.

Obviously what your doc has been doing has not been working and is even causing you additional problems. Now he is going to experiment on you for another 20 years????

You need a lot more information to save yourself!

Start with the archives about osteoporosis, then the one about calcium supplementation, then go to the HRT archives and get started on pure Estriol. Finally go to the fibrocystic archives to get rid of that.

Let us know how you are doing in a few months. You should be able to check your bone density in about 2 years and see that it not only has stopped progressing but has actually improved.

In my opinion, your doc is still practicing 20th century medicine and things have changed a lot since then.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis

Posted by Raw Milk on October 09, 2002 at 18:14:11:

In Reply to: Re: question on HRT & osteoporosis posted by Ricky DC on October 09, 2002 at 05:52:27:

Does the same hold true for fresh raw milk and raw milk products like yogurt, cream and cultured sour cream?

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Re: Dr. John Lee - Incredible Info

Posted by CS on October 13, 2002 at 03:20:17:

In Reply to: Dr. John Lee posted by Pam on October 08, 2002 at 20:01:55:

Pam is right! I've learned so much from this man! HRT is bad, bad, bad...Have you been reading the papers? Natural progesterone that is not scientifically altered is definitely the way to go! I get my natural progesterone cream on www.blessedhope.myarbonne.com. Again, John Lee M.D.'s website is www.johnleemd.com. Give your body the real stuff.



Re: Dr. John Lee - Incredible Info (Archive in hormone balance.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 14, 2002 at 09:52:14:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. John Lee - Incredible Info posted by CS on October 13, 2002 at 03:20:17:

Thanks, CS.

Walt

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