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Hello,
My active 88 year-old grandmother has hip osteoporosis.Her doctor gave her Celebrex ( I know,but she thought her doctor would know better than I ) for the pain.It has gotten worse,and it seems like she is finally ready to listen to me.I would like her to stop taking Celebrex.If she does it gradually,will she have any symtoms?
She is otherwise in good health and high spirits.
Any comment and/or sugestions will be greatly appreciated it.
Please help.Thank you very much.
In Reply to: Hip osteoporosis posted by M. on July 26, 2003 at 22:08:20:
I don't know about withdrawal from Celebrex. Have here try castor oil packs on her painful hips. The castor oil packs help with circulation and tissue repair. Have her massage peanut oil into her body all over.
In Reply to: Hip osteoporosis posted by M. on July 26, 2003 at 22:08:20:
M.
Celebrex can be stopped cold-turkey since it is nothing but an expensive pain pill.
Underwater exercises & at least 4000 milligrams of hydroxyapatite with boron twice a day, will help reverse the osteoporosis. Repeat her xrays in a year and show her doc the improvement! In the meantime, osteoporosis does not cause pain in this area. She has to have arthritis causing the pain. At least 3000 milligrams of omaga 3 fish oils and 750 milligrams of glucosamine sulphate twice a day will help with that.
Let us know how she does.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis posted by Walt Stoll on July 27, 2003 at 08:03:51:
Thank you very much for answering so rapidly.
Do any of these supplements have contraindications or side effects?
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis posted by M. on July 27, 2003 at 20:30:17:
M.
Zero risk. Let us know what happens to her arthritis symptoms (it will take a few months). It will take a year for her studies to show osteoporotic reversal signs.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis posted by Walt Stoll on July 28, 2003 at 06:57:05:
Great.She has told me today that she has already stopped taking the Celebrex.I'll keep you posted.
Thank you.
In Reply to: Hip osteoporosis posted by M. on July 26, 2003 at 22:08:20:
I hate to see Doctors give only symptom management and nothing for the root cause of the problem. Is she on anything for her osteoporosis? To sum, she should beon the following if at all possible:
1. Vitamin D according to the 25-hydroxyvitamin D test
2. Calcium citrate/Magnesium Citrate = 1500/750
3. Vitamin K = 1mg
4. Fish oil = 1 cap for every 10pds of body weight as therapuetic dosage. 1 cap for every 20pds of body weight to maintain. Take 100iu of full spectrum vitamin E with this
5. Multivitamin/mineral formula with decent dosages of minerals.
6. Progesterone cream (under doctor's supervision)
7. Human Growth Hormone Injections (under doctor's supervision) = increases bone density
8. Liquid Green Tea Extract = increases bone density
Also, she would do well by eating more protein while at the same time, increasing her potassium levels. High protein, with high potassium, with high calcium, promotes optimal bone mineralization. I hope that helps
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis posted by Helping You on July 29, 2003 at 00:32:10:
Thanks, HY.
I agree with everything you have said here EXCEPT for the absence of hydroxyapatite with boron. So far as I know, this product is the only one that has consistantly shown reversal of osteoporosis in the world medical literature.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 30, 2003 at 06:18:56:
I thought you might have a problem with that :-) To be honest Walt, I can't find any consistant data pointing to hydroxyapatite being any better than citrate in building bone. Most of the hits I get when typing hydroxyapatite into google search engine just turns up websites selling hydroxy and CLAIMING it's better but providing nothing to back up those claims. If you know of better sources of info I can reference, I will certainly look into them. But so far, I am unimpressed with what I found. In fact, I found one study comparing AdvaCal against calcium citrate, carbonate, citrate malate, and hydroxyapatite. According to this study, hydroxyapatite performed the worst.
As far as the boron goes, it may soon be shown that boron only needs to be supplemented when vitamin D level is low. Boron is easily obtained from diet whereas vitamin D isn't. A vitamins D researcher I am working with has written a book called "Naked At Noon" which is schedualed for release soon. She will be revealing information that practically nobody knows at this point about vitamin D, calcium, protein, minerals and more. She has worked with NASA in helping the astronaughts avoid bone loss while traveling in space. She has discovered that boron seems to act as a type of "glue" to hold calcium in place but is less needed if vitamin D is optimal in the body. Sadly, most people are deficient in vitamin D making boron supplementation vital for these people. Just FYI as this information is not available to most people yet. She is getting incredible results with increases in bone density. Another suprising finding she will report is that the FORM that the calcium is in is second to the timing of the calcium. She shows that it is more important to take calcium in small/frequent doses rather than 1-2 large increments. This seems to negate the need for "specialty" calciums because more is absorbed with this type of regimen. It is very fascinating and when the publication is available, I'll let you know.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis (Archive.) posted by Helping You on July 30, 2003 at 23:02:31:
Thanks, HY.
I read the original research back 15 years ago and since it explained what I already knew, about why supplementing one or two of the building blocks of bone did not work, I became an instant believer.
I will bet my reputation that within 20 years the profession will be saying we knew it all the time, when it is the standard of treatment (along with exercise and the other essentials).
Time will tell. In the meantime, I will see to it that those family and friends I care for, including myself, are taking hydroxyapatite with boron.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis (Archive.) My stand on supplements that prevent this. posted by Walt Stoll on July 31, 2003 at 08:58:58:
I understand your position. Still, I see no data supporting hydroxy being able to build bone better than citrate. I am trying really hard to find it. I simply can't. The small amount of studies I am finding show hydroxy performing the worst out of most types of calcium so I am at a loss here.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Hip osteoporosis (Archive.) My stand on supplements that prevent this. posted by Walt Stoll on July 31, 2003 at 08:58:58:
I found this in an article written by Dr. Murray. It is one of the few references I could find for hydroxyapatite.
"It is also important to point out that microcrystalline calcium hydroxyapatite – another hyped form of calcium - does not provide any greater benefit than other forms of calcium including calcium carbonate. In fact, in one study looking at five commercially available forms of calcium, microcrystalline calcium hydroxyapatite was the poorest absorbed.8"
8. Deroisy R, Zartarian M, Meurmans L, et al. Acute changes in serum calcium and parathyroid hormone circulating levels induced by the oral intake of five currently available calcium salts in healthy male volunteers. Clin Rheumatol 1997;16:249-53.
-HY
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