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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 21, 2010 at 15:59:34:

Just went to the endocrinologist specialist for my osteporosist today. I am bummed by what she told me. She made it sound like a total reversal is out of the question. She thought a small amount reversal was possible, however.

Since I am opposed to Fosamax etc., she suggested Evista, as an alternative. Haven't read up on it at all. Does anybody have any input, please?


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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8951] on September 21, 2010 at 16:51:02:

In Reply to: Osteoporosis posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 21, 2010 at 15:59:34:

Evita,

You have to balance the possible benefits with the possible terrible side effects.

I agree that the process in not totally reversible, no matter what you do. Neither is aging whose end result is death! There is only one "cure" for aging: it is dying young. But at least you can slow it up.

Personally, I would not touch Fosamax OR Evista with a 10 foot pole. Just read the package inserts.

Let us know what you learn.

Everything that you can do to control this problem should be done: a whole foods diet, at least 3 times a week underwater aerobics, Vitamin K, hydroxyapatite with Boron, omega 3s, etc.--all discussed on this website--can help with NO negative side effects (only positive benefits).

Hope this helps.

Walt


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Posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 21, 2010 at 22:01:27:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.8951] on September 21, 2010 at 16:51:02:

Is estrogen good for osteoporosis, Dr Stoll?


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Posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 21, 2010 at 22:11:22:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 21, 2010 at 22:01:27:

I think progesterone might be.



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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 21, 2010 at 22:52:11:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 21, 2010 at 22:11:22:

Thanks! I will try it!


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Posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 22, 2010 at 00:34:52:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 21, 2010 at 22:52:11:

These side effects look crazy to me.

•Excess estrogen is the only known cause of endometrial cancer
•Increased risk of breast cancer Wouldn't you say that the longer a person lives the more they are at risk of getting breast cancer????
•Loss of bone mass ? Don't most people get this as they age?
•Increased risk of autoimmune disorders such as lupus
•Fibrocystic breasts
•Fibroid tumors
•Depression and irritability
•PMS symptoms such as cramping and bloating -- in addition to depression and irritability
•Menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes and night sweats -- again, in addition to depression and irritability
•Decreased sex drive
•Increased body hair and thinning of scalp hair
•Migraine headaches
•Impaired thyroid function, including Grave's disease
•Increased body fat
•Increased blood clotting
•Impaired blood sugar control
•The astounding acceleration of puberty in young girls from an average age of 14 to 15, to now as young as 9 or 10. (This represents a speed up of as much as 1/3 sooner in their lives and has frightening implications for long term health.)
•And, finally, xenoestrogens have been strongly implicated in declining male sperm production and the increase in the rates of testicular cancer and prostate cancer

In fact as we age aren't we more apt to have things go wrong in our body, of course we are.




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Posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 22, 2010 at 00:38:13:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 21, 2010 at 22:52:11:

I suppose I must be in terrible shape, my beard is almost white but now I have dark black hairs growing in with the white one, I've never had dark black hairs in my beard, I must be dying, of course I am but I may have 20-30 more years.




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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 01:35:46:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 22, 2010 at 00:34:52:

These are the side effects with Evista?

No, I wouldn't take that!


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Posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 22, 2010 at 07:46:28:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 01:35:46:

Evista? NO, too much estrogen.


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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8951] on September 22, 2010 at 08:12:53:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 21, 2010 at 22:01:27:

Charles,

In selected people.

Walt


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Posted by craig [6907.8024] on September 22, 2010 at 10:55:46:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis -- IMO. archive. posted by Charles [448.7763] on September 22, 2010 at 07:46:28:

Estrogen is important....so is choleserol.EXCESS amounts of either however are bad.Before adjusting either one you need to know your levels.


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Posted by craig [6907.8024] on September 22, 2010 at 11:09:25:

In Reply to: Osteoporosis posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 21, 2010 at 15:59:34:

Ellen, If you go to the Life Extension website ... lef.org.
put "Osteoporosis" in the search box at upper right and of page.
That will produce well documented articles about your condition and what to do about it.
Pay attention to the Vitamin K info!


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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 12:19:15:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by craig [6907.8024] on September 22, 2010 at 11:09:25:

Thanks, Craig, I will. I will be buying k2. And I'm thinking about Strontium, too. Where do you buy your k2? And what is the exact name? I saw where you indicated it was $17 for a 3 month supply.

An article that I read (Dr Wm Davis' blog) said the vitamin d and vitamin k were the top 2 out of 6 protocols to employ. Someone on a National Osteoporosis website wrote that they took 50k of vitamin d for 6 weeks to jumpstart the program. Crazy,huh?

Thanks for your input. I always appreciate it!


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Posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 22, 2010 at 17:07:14:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 12:19:15:

Ellen, not so crazy (50,000 of D3). It's by prescription only and doctors use it when they are trying to bring up a very low D level in patients. My SIL was on it (it's a weekly pill) for a few months.


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Posted by craig [6907.8024] on September 22, 2010 at 19:37:41:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 22, 2010 at 17:07:14:

Ellen, The K1/K2 combo sold by LEF is only one I'd take. It uses the most bioavailable forms of K2(Menaquinone 4 an 7). You can buy it off the internet WITHOUT joining LEF.
I'd GOOGLE "Life Extension Super K".
Let me know if that doesn' workand b sure ad read some of the greatifo I mentioned. You CAN reverse the loss!
PS When I had a free scan at the supermarket I had the density of a 30 year old at age 65.


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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 20:19:48:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by craig [6907.8024] on September 22, 2010 at 19:37:41:

Thanks, Craig. I did start to read the articles, but had to leave for an appt. Glad I asked you where you got the vitamins, sounds like just what I need.


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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 20:22:40:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 22, 2010 at 17:07:14:

The Dr did comment that I was on the upper end of the acceptable vit d levels, so I really doubt that she's going to give me a script for 50k. Guess I can ask but, I'm not hopeful.

As I recall, the test was 60 to 100 as normal and I was 58.


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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 22:36:37:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by craig [6907.8024] on September 22, 2010 at 19:37:41:

Just bought the Super K. Bought it on ebay for 19.50 with free shipping. Through LE it is $26 plus shipping.

And I'm going to buy Doctor's Best Strontium bone builder. They're using Strontium in the UK, why not here? (Total BS)

All the Drs here, in the US, are in bed with the pharmaceutical reps!

Fascinating reading at the National Osteoporosis Foundation. Success stories WITHOUT DRUGS!

Ok, I'm no longer bummed... :)


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Posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 22, 2010 at 22:51:19:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 22, 2010 at 20:22:40:

No, you're not that low but you should probably take at least 2,000 since the recommended dose has been too low.


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Posted by Ellen [11114.8910] on September 26, 2010 at 18:36:08:

In Reply to: Re: Osteoporosis posted by AT [11797.8855] on September 22, 2010 at 22:51:19:

Thanks, AT! I was just tested and now I'm at 49. Which is no doubt caused by my 3 month bout of diarrhea.


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