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Dr. Stoll:
I am having a difficult time understanding why LGS may be treated more effectively prior to getting rid of parasites.
Your book is on order for me, so .....
It seems, at least in my non-medically educated mind, that it would best to first get rid of any worms that might be attached to my guts or attached around or in my liver or other organs, etc etc.
Only because parasites could be causing lots of damage to the Gut and liver in the first place.
Although they probably did take up residence last, as you say, as part of LGS problem, shouldn't such a domino affect be taken care of in reverse order ??
These slimy critters add lots of toxins to the system:
Giardia chew at the gut lining villa.
Flukes are not kind to the liver.
Nutrients and amino acids are deprived.
Necessary building blocks are lost.
Such added parasitic burdens may deprive us of the healing & repairing energies we need to overcome LGS as well as overcoming the overall immune system problems.
Just a thought. Please let me know... or if it is fully explained in your book.... I should receive it in about 5 weeeks.
Thank you Dr. Stoll
SR
In Reply to: Parasitosis WHY LATER? by SR posted by CopyBot on December 02, 1999 at 09:59:02:
the LGS? Dr. Clarks methods of parasite removal uses a once a week ingesting of her products . I would think it would work while your getting your diet changed over and eliminating those foods that arent good for you. Her herbs are cheap enough to continue maintenance. Thats what my common sense and reasoning is telling me unless someone else has other ideas????? :)
shinleaf
In Reply to: Parasitosis WHY LATER? by SR posted by CopyBot on December 02, 1999 at 09:59:02:
If you kill all those parasites, where do you think that toxic mess will go if you have a leaky gut??? You don't EVEN want to know... I suspected that my grandson had parasites and he was given Black Walnut...he went to the hospital with kidney failure...Now noone will ever admit to a link there, but I cannot discount the timing...He was far sicker than anyone knew and I believe it tipped the scales... You do not want to add anything to the work that your intestines has to do until it is healthy enough to eliminate it correctly...makes sense to me..
In Reply to: Re: Clean up the mess FIRST posted by diana on December 02, 1999 at 12:51:26:
Makes sense to me! I recently had that experince with Nystatin. Swollen joints, strange bump on my toes, toothaches, eye inflamation etc. etc.
In Reply to: Re: Clean up the mess FIRST posted by diana on December 02, 1999 at 12:51:26:
Diana
Regarding where do i think all the killed parasite mess will go.. hmmmm.... a good possible point,thank you !
However, Getting back to what may or may not make sense..
I eat and we probably all eat about 2 pounds of food a day some more.... some less.
I then eliminate daily about 90% of that meat and veges etc etc in the form of colon / kidney waste excrements.
If i kill off some worms and excrete them as i would my 2 pounds of meat and veges.. how would that be different ??... Unless i have extremely more parasitic bulk weight than i do food stool weight per day.
I certainly hope i don't have pounds of parasites in me ?
I think i may be missing the correlation somehow, as to the difference between excreting 2 pounds of dissolved food matter verses excreting 2 pounds ( i hope not.. )of parasitic matter.
Any ideas as to the health risk differences ??
I certainly do not want to end up with kidney failure as your grandson did and i am sure none of us do.. so any advise, as to steering us all straight would help.
DR. Stoll anyone ...
Thank you
SR
In Reply to: Re: Clean up the mess FIRST posted by Dawn G. on December 02, 1999 at 12:59:57:
The problem with a "kill down" of any parasite is that the body then has to get rid of it...If the body kills the thing itself it might be a slower kill down then an artificially assisted kill down..A whole lot of toxins could enter the system very rapidly...If you had a leaky gut...seems like some of that may not make it out like you intended it to..
In Reply to: Re: Healing crisis or just Crisis posted by Diana on December 02, 1999 at 20:04:36:
Hello all
If parasites are in the intestinal track, including the Large bowel area, i would think that a quick assisted kill off, with prescription meds or herbal meds, would produce greater benifits overall..
These intestinal parasites evidentally hang on, chew on, suck on, cling on and hide in, an individuals entire intestinal track.
If they are indeed KILLED DEAD by the meds, of whatever type... herbal etc, the parasites would then have NO grip hold or hiding capabilites.. They,re Dead !! .. and should therefore be easily flushed out of the intestines within a 24 to 48 hour transit time.. probably less if done with herbals and a little laxative.
Of course, i have heard the process needs to be done for at least a month or more .. but the same action would apply on a 24 daily basis...Then it makes sense that only a small amount of parasite debri should be dying and letting go of our guts .....If we are to believe in the necessity of the 30 day + treatement plans...??
i.e. You take a med. every day.. a small amount of parasites die, or become so sick themselves from the meds. that they cant function and so they get flushed out along with the transit time foods we eat.
I see no logical or medical reason why dead or the deathly ill medicated intestinal parasites should be able to penetrate the Leaky Gut "holes" any more efficiently or offensively.. than the digested food matter we eat everyday is able to do....
As a matter of fact, i would surmise that a dead intestinal parasite body, should be much much larger than any digested food particles, in comparison that is.
And since only very small digested and or undigested food particle can actually manage to permeate and enter the bloodstream, via the Leaky Gut Holes.. I seriously doubt that any part of a large dead, or sick worm, would be able to actually get through the tiny Leaky Gut Holes and cause any internal toxic problems.
Of course I am NOT an expert.. I am just truthfully trying to figure out What is What.. LOGICALLY...
Whenever we start talking about any subject, i do not just want to say .. OH, OK i guess that is the truth.
That is exactly what got us all into the mess we are in.. saying.. oh, ok, i guess that is the truth, it's just fine... go ahead.. no problem .. sure why not... everyone else is doing it.. I trust you to do the right thing..
After all, this site is about learning the truth about our health and how to resolve health issues, logically, scientifically , truthfully and Spiritually.
We all want the same thing...Which is, in my opinion, to find the right path or paths that lead us not Astray, but rather lead us to the light of truth.
If we can find such a thing... we can find it here on
Dr. Stolls site... Together..
Thank you for any input
SR
In Reply to: Re: Parsite crisis. posted by SR on December 02, 1999 at 22:00:18:
1) Not all parasites are worms. Fungii, bacteria, virii and maybe some other critters are running around. I don't think the anti-parasite formulae can just kill worms.
2) According to Hulda Clark and other researchers worm stages (eggs larvae etc) can migrate to other organs in the body i.e liver, thymus, muscles, brain etc. Since herbs are systemic they could not confine their killing action to the intestines. So that while the intestine being external to the body could eliminate worm corpses in the feces that is not possible if they have infested other organs. They would have to be broken down enzymatically and transported to the liver, kidneys, lungs or skin for elimination.
3) Worms host bacteria and virii and when they die these criters have to flee the corpse and look for a new home. Even bacteria host virii so killing them can flood the body with a virus.
But this die off affect (which would selectively affect one who is heavily infested or with a weakened immune system) is not Dr. Stoll's point about the procedure. His point, if I understand him correctly, is that these parasites (i.e. candida) are a constant part of our environment. So that even if we did kill them off we could be re-infected almost instantaneously. The only way that these parasites can survive the natural defenses of the intestine is if the intestines are full of partially digested putrified food, which is what they thrive on. So that if we restore the healthy condition of the gut with plenty of good bacteria to thoroughly digest our food and get the food moving through our intestines fast enough that it dosen't have a chance to putrify(ferment) these parasites will not be able to re-infect us. So dealing with the LGS is the first order of business and if we still have parasitosis or dysbiosis afterwards, once we clean that up we're finished because we can't be re-infected. Whereas if we clean up the parsites while the gut is still dysfunctional we will just have to go back and kill them over and over again.
You make good points and ask good questions and I agree that this forum is a good place to learn from a diverse group with lot's of experince in sickness and wellness.
Regards
John
In Reply to: Parasitosis WHY LATER? by SR posted by CopyBot on December 02, 1999 at 09:59:02:
Hi, SR.
It CAN be done either way. Everything you have said here has truth to it. I recommend the LGS first since these parasites are all around all of us every minute of every day. SO, if the LGS is still present at the end of any successful treatment of any parasite, what is to prevent it from recurring?
A person with a healthy GI tract can drink pure cultures of parasitic spores/eggs/etc. and will never "get" them.
The people working in the fresh produce section of the grocery store have more than 5 parasites even as tested by conventional labs in this country (which only find one in fifty of those purposely placed in a test specimen).
Think about it.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Parasitosis WHY LATER? by SR posted by Walt Stoll on December 03, 1999 at 10:20:23:
Walt: What you said about people in the fresh produce section carrying so many parasites...
Does this suggest that: [multiple choice question!]
Lots of parasites are present on fresh produce due to its source (dirt)?
Their (the people handling the foods) immune systems are way down?
The wrong type of person is hired for this job? And that they "infect" the produce?
That people in such positions of public health responsibility don't wash their hands frequently/well enough (to protect them or us!)?
That we REALLY need to wash all fresh produce to protect us? and also to protect us from those folks?
Sorry if I don't quite get the exact message(s) you are communicating. Or perhaps I get it all too well! :-)
RHJ++
In Reply to: Wouldnt maintenace parasite program coordinate this with posted by shinleaf on December 02, 1999 at 11:46:44:
Hi, shinleaf.
People with LGS would be wise to do something like this. However, once the LGS is gone, it is unnecessary.
Walt
In Reply to: A few points posted by John Counts on December 02, 1999 at 23:15:28:
xxx
In Reply to: Re: Parasitosis WHY LATER? by SR posted by Walt Stoll on December 03, 1999 at 10:20:23:
Thank you Dr. Stoll.
It is all beginning to make some sense now.
It relaxes me to know the truth about things.
Being accurately informed, is definately a type of
Skilled Relaxation for me, in and of itself.
Smile :)
Appreciate your knowledge !
Thanks again
SR
In Reply to: A few points posted by John Counts on December 02, 1999 at 23:15:28:
John
Such an acccurate amount of good information... this is very helpful for me and all !!!
Appreciate you taking the time to go through the steps of how these parasites effect us.
Bravo....
SR
In Reply to: Re: Are you saying hand-washing is a Joke? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on December 03, 1999 at 10:29:36:
Hi, RocketHealer Jim.
These excellent questions deserve individual answers and I will attempt to answer them in the order in which they were asked. This is a wonderful opportunity for people to understand what Pastuer was saying on his death bed about the territory being more important than the invading organism (which organisms are the basis for his place in history).
That does NOT mean that the organism is totally irrelevant but that it is not the most important thing in the illness equation. Only the self-interest of the medical monopoly has profited by maintaining the fiction that the organism is the most important thing: "If we can just avoid or attack the organism, that is the answer to any infestation."
The ultimate absurdity of that position has resulted in the "new disease of the month" disease-care crisis in which we find ourselves.
Well, here goes:
1. Lots of parasite eggs are present on fresh produce because of their being handled by people NOT because they are grown in "dirt".
2. The average immune reserves in the USA population (Indeed in the entire human population of the earth.) has been going down steadily ever since we could check any part of it. The more we learn how to check, the more alarming the statistics become! Maslow tried, (even with the crude methods of the day), at the turn of the last century, to find one healthy person. Though he tried for 10 years, he never found one.
3. In this day and age, there are few, if any, people in this country who are free of active parasitosis. Where are we going to find people to handle the produce? The solution is, as Pasteur finally said, to improve the immunity of those EATING the produce. The medical system resists this truth because there is no money in it. I have no worry about "catching" anything there.
4. Since the organism is not TOTALLY irrevalent, the total number of eggs the person ingests IS relevant. Therefore, washing the food, handlers washing often, wearing gloves, etc., still helps. It is the balance between the numbers of invaders and the immunity of the individual that gives the final equation of outcome.
Wellness greatly increases the immunity. The absurdity of irradiating foods to "sterilize" them and so avoid e-coli problems, etc., is that although that will likely help for awhile, it ultimately has to fail since people with NO immunity will get it out of the air. Remember the "bubble boy"?
Hope this helps.
Where do you think this would best be archived?
I REALLY enjoyed our phone conversation last night.
Namaste`
Walt
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