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Dr. Stoll, etc.:
I stumbled across the archives in parasites as well as following serveral links to pages about parasite infestation in humans. To say that I am utterly horrified with this information would be an understatement. Can 90% of the population really have worms?!! I don't have any worm related symptoms, but given the stats, I may be just be aymptomatic. I feel like I have just been taken out of "the Matrix" (I hope that similie makes sense to everyone.)
I tried to read anything pertinent to this subject. Is it true that if one does not have (or removes) LGS (through SR, solid diet, etc.) they will be unable to contract any further parasites?
If this is true, then believe you me, I've never been so happy to have started SR (at least I'm doing SOMETHING that is a step in the right direction.) The thought of this is....well....DISGUSTING...Thank you...
In Reply to: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 17, 2001 at 20:08:00:
you cannot avoid worms,bydoing sr. you can stop the ecology from bein disrupted. you will always have bacteria.
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by mike on March 17, 2001 at 20:36:40:
worms and parasites are a lot easier than bacteria to avoid.
never put your fingers in your mouth again. use your mouth only for eating and kissing. never touch your food with anything but utensils.
sterilize milk/milk products by bopiling them for ten seconds.
do not bring raw chicken into your home.
eat no meat that is not cooked at least as thoroughly as if it were pork.
do not wear in your home shoes that youwear outside your home.
keep your fingernails well trimmed.
there are hulda clarks effective ways of reducing your exposure to parasites.
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by leon cavallo on March 17, 2001 at 21:21:18:
That advice, to me, is rational but ineffective. From what I
have read, many of the worm larvae we can contract merely by
touching each other, from the lakes our cities draw their
water from, even from the air we breathe. THOSE things are
unavoidable (mostly). The good doctor says (I believe) that
no one can technically contract worms unless they have LGS,
and SR is one of the major steps in reversing that prevalent
condition. I am waiting for his comments. Thanks anyway.
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by mike on March 17, 2001 at 20:36:40:
Since when are worms bacteria?
In Reply to: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 17, 2001 at 20:08:00:
Some think we may be oversanitizing ourselves to death. Parasites have been a part of life for millenia.
Here's an article, be sure to read page 2 on the use of pig whipworms for the treatment of Chrone's disease.
In Reply to: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 17, 2001 at 20:08:00:
All of the COMMON worms usually give some sign of their
existence, right? (Hookworms, Tapeworm segments, pinworms,
etc. seen in the bowel movements.) However, so many of these
sites claim nearly EVERYONE has a worm infestation (usually
large ones that can be seen.) BUT, these worms can't live
FOREVER, can they? So why (if we have them) then don't we
ever see signs (or worms themselves) in the stool? What, do
these PHANTOM worms just pile up as corpses so that we can
never ever see them. It doesn't make sense that we would see
signs of the worms everyone knows about but not these
uncommon ones (other 100 species or so) that these sites
insist we have. Maybe smaller, unoticeable worms--that I
could buy. And what about the heart, lung, intestinal, etc
surgeries we see. IF there are really these 6-8 inch worms
these sies claim 90% of us, why don't we see these huge
things slithering around in surgeries?!
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that these sighta
are usually selling a de-wroming product for roughly $50....
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by leon cavallo on March 17, 2001 at 21:21:18:
i saw one site claiming we hadsix foot worms, that ate our food once it entered the stomache. wait for the doc, see what he says. did you ever get the feeling that this site can make you paranoid to live life the way you used to? maybe you should take your feet off,if you enter the house, from the beach. dont want them worms in the house. relax about it, dont get freaked out. did a worm ever bother you before?
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by mike on March 18, 2001 at 00:35:38:
What?!! Six feet?! Whatever! Unless it's a tapeworm ehich
NOT EVERYONE has. Geez! No, worms have never bothered me,
but I find this information (true or not) to be pretty far out.
In Reply to: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 17, 2001 at 20:08:00:
There is a guy on an email group I belong to that takes about his tapeworm as if it was a person LOL They also talk about doing a water and garlic fast for a couple of days and then using sweet milk to draw it out...with another person nearby to grab it as it comes out for the milk.
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by Barbara on March 18, 2001 at 13:52:21:
And do you really believe that?!
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 18, 2001 at 14:06:26:
Not sure what I think, but thought I'd share it with you since you found the other info so digusting : )
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by Barbara on March 18, 2001 at 15:48:49:
Indeed...that's damn disgusting...
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 17, 2001 at 21:26:14:
i will step out of the point by point debate-- in spite of glaring pieces of misinformation-- and suggest that if you are really interested in developing an informed opinion on this matter, you might consider some serious evidence.
a number of successsful researchers have spent careers on parasites. while overlooking this, it is not serving any informative purpose to offer emotive, intellectually vapid personal reactions to particular observations.
i cant resist adding that the idea of parasites going through your skin is a perfect representation of where allopathic medicine is today-- effete. every other medical system i know of-- from native american to ayur vedic-- recognizes the actual scope of this problem.
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! posted by leon cavallo on March 18, 2001 at 21:28:00:
If it is misinformation, then just tell me. I am not trying
to DEBATE anything; rather, I am repeating only what I have
read. I never claimed to be knowledgeable about this
subject. To be sure, I just found about it a day or two ago.
I am merely looking for answers, "emotive" and
"intellectually vapid personal reactions" notwithstanding.
In Reply to: Parasites! posted by Kevin X on March 17, 2001 at 20:08:00:
Hi, Kevin.
Think about THIS:
Nine out of ten cells in our body are not even human. They are bacterial, fungal, parasitic, etc., and we could not live without them. Even the human cells are not totally human, the little organelles inside our cells (mitochondria) are not human but have their own genetics and are inherited separately from our human DNA.
The mitochondria are little symbiotes that invaded our cells perhaps millions of years ago and serve as our energy factories.
NOW, are you grossed out more?
It is the pathogenic organisms that cause us problems and they are prevented by the helpful organisms listed above.
Do we live for them or they for us? We are really just a walking committee that calls itself human.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 19, 2001 at 08:48:59:
...With such parasites in it!
-- "'Tis new to thee!"
Honestly though, a lot of these stes are selling a product upwards of $50. Perhaps they are embellishing the case. I shutter to think we all have "8 inch worms" in us which some of these sites use as examples. Do we all carry worms of some sort?! I also heard grape or grapefruit seed extract (one or the other) was effective at keeping parasites under control. True?
Ah, 'tis better to have been born without sight than to later become blind: I wish I had never found out about this.
Thank you, though.
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 19, 2001 at 08:48:59:
Another interesting factoid is that parasites may outnumber all other species of life four to one.
For further reading, see this excellent book:
In Reply to: Re: Parasites!...Something important I thought of! posted by Kevin X on March 18, 2001 at 00:07:05:
Thanks Kevin,
Good questions!!
The way the CDC tests laboratories to see if they can be licensed for parasitology is: They actually place a certain number of the real parasites in a stool specimen and send the test sample to the lab.
Statistically, the average commercial laboratory only finds one in FIFTY of the parasites actually placed in the specimen AND since that is the average it is enough to license that lab.
Next, nearly all parasites have a way to hold onto the lining of the GI tract (for obvious reasons). SO, that the dead ones get digested and the live ones do not show up in the stool. Some are diagnosed by their eggs in the stool but the American labs routinely miss those also at the rate the CDC has published. There are pictures in textbooks of intestines (at autopsy) where the patient had SUCH a horrendous case that the lumen of the gut was totally filled with large parasites. All it takes is one to cause an inordinate amount of symptoms in any patient!
NO ONE wants to believe that Americans have so many parasites. However, when I sent my patients' specimens to a more competent lab (that made actual photomicrographs of any parasites they found in the specimen) and those were specifically treated with precription drugs tailored to those precise parasites, my patients got better fast.
Even the best parasitology labs, presently in the counry, only find one in FIVE of the parasites deliberately placed in any test specimen. This is why it is usually a good idea to send 5-6 separate specimens for any one person.
These were patients who had been to many previous physicians, with multiple complaints, and who, finally, had been told by those physicians that their symptoms were all in their heads and referred them to a psychiatrist.
I do not know why they are not usually found at surgery but have some plausible explanations: First, anyone who has experience with this problem can tell you how rapidly these macroparasites can move through the gut (many feet in seconds). Since there is about 35 feet of gut, and nearly all surgery is on just a very small segment, it is perfectly understandable how any parasites in that part of the gut would react to manual manipulation of that segment. They would vacate the premises!
Since nearly all parasites are microscopic one can easily understand that any lab that had already missed them on examination of the stool (considering that the surgeon had even sent a stool prior to surgery) would also miss them on examination of the surgical specimen.
These are but 2 of the possible explanations for why more parasites are not seen at surgery. I will not write more about more: note too long already.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Oh Brave new World... posted by Kevin X on March 19, 2001 at 11:10:41:
Hi, Kevin.
Reliable sources now pretty much agree that nearly every American has at least ONE pathogenic parasite.
However, before you get TOO bent out of shape, consider that they exist all around us all the time. Only our ecology of helpful germs in our bodies prevent everyone from secumbing to all of them.
That is why it is practically valueless to focus on parasites (in the absense of overt symptoms of a specific species of parasite) until the LGS and dysbiosis is dealt with.
There are many products available in the healthfood store that will tend to discourage pathogenic parasites growth. It may be a helpful idea to select one of them (Wormwood has been helpful to many) to use while the LGS was being dealt with. The ones you mentioned are also helpful to many people.
The large parasites you mentioned are pretty uncommon in this country but the microscopic ones really are more important (other than the large ones grossing people out).
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Parasites! (Archive.) posted by Robin T on March 19, 2001 at 22:12:29:
Thanks, Robin!
Walt
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