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Hi Walt
so my baby has colic, but I also have been noticing that he has a lot of gas. Is this also related to colic?. After breastfeeding him, I touched his belly, and could feel all these air bubbles gurgling around (poor little bub!).
And also, he passes a lot of wind (as loud as an adult!), and seems to be in pain whilst doing so.
Any suggestions what to do for that, or would the probiotics also take care of this problem?
In Reply to: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Blissy [1830.1431] on July 10, 2005 at 00:17:21:
Hi little mama, Bliss I know I'm not Walt, but I am an experienced mom and grammie. You might try taking enzymes yourself. Your baby is getting colic and gas from what your eating. He is allergic to something your getting. Colic is also such a common problem because the baby's digestive system isn't fully developed.
Its really hard with those sleepless nites. Hope you have a good rocker that both you and your hubby can sit in uz it will really come in handy for those times you need to rock baby to sleep.
Besure to take naps during the day when the baby is sleeping. Forget about the housework for now. Sleep is more important. Are you going back to work?
Barb ;o)
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Barb [1035.1590] on July 10, 2005 at 01:07:29:
Hi Barb
Yes, I see you understand well. I cried today, because I hate seeing him in this kind of pain,and I feel helpless.
I have restricted all wheat and dairy as of today. My diet is now so unbelievably bland, so we will see how that goes and if it makes a diff.
Walt had mentioned probiotics, but he is so young (3 weeks old) that I am scared to give him ANYTHING , even homeopathic remedies, I am giving him sparingly.
Yes! that rocking chair has been INVALUABLE. Helps him settle and so does a pacifier. I bumped into a midwife from my obs office today, and she told me how her 3 children had colic so bad, she thought she was going to go mental. she also said the pacifier helped them a lot to, apparently it helps assist with peristalsis, and the gastric juices too
But she said, that at the 3 month mark it totally resolves itself, and so far, everything I have read says the same.
I am so nervous of giving him something that hurts him. I am going to end up a nervous wreck.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Blissy [1830.1431] on July 10, 2005 at 05:22:10:
Hi Bliss, I'm sure your doing all you know to do for your little one. A crying baby is very stressful because you want to fix it. I found a good article for you, "Colic does not last forever". :o) Hope your getting some rest yourself.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Blissy [1830.1431] on July 10, 2005 at 05:22:10:
I was giving my first baby liquid acidophilus when he developed thrush (white tongue is a symptom) and it worked well for him. Second baby developed a sickness where he couldn't keep anything down for a week, until I discovered he could handle one spoonful of soy yogurt every hour 9if I tried to give him 2 spoons, he threw up like he was doing everything else). So I think probiotics are safe for babies 9also , take some yourself). Also, rememebr to get him vertical. If you get tired or need to do other stuff, set him up so he's not lying perfectly horizontal- either in a soft seat like I described before, or in a car seat lined with a baby quilt for extra softness and propped up with pillows on it's side so it doesn't tip over.
Also, if you are still using formula, that could be a problems for him- try to use more breastfeeding-the more you nurse, the more milk you'll make.
I never had a rocker, but I would make backward and forward motions in the direction a rocker would with my body while holding the baby, and that would calm him a lot.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 10, 2005 at 07:40:26:
Thanks, ANN
I bought some probiotics today called Inner Health Powder , and gave him just a smidgeon of it. I coated my finger in it, and got him to suck it off that.
The only thing is that I noticed it was not dairy free after giving it to him. (sigh!) He seems to be a bit improved now, sleeping very soundly for last few hours (i also tried to get some sleep at the same time_),
The only thing is the improvement in him could be from my EXTREMELY bland diet today rather than the probiotic. Not sure. My diet consisted of only chicken stew with carrots potatoes and peas, an almond and honey bar, and chamomile tea.
That's all I have today, as I thought I would just experiment and see if that helped him.
Also been drinking some chamomile tea, and also I took a homeopathic remedy for wind/gas, so hopefully that gets into my breastmilk, rather than giving it directly to him.
Being a parent is such a huge responsibility. I only want to do what's best for him.
I felt so guilty after giving him the probiotic with dairy in it today. (thought it was dairy free!)I thought he was going to get an allergic reaction, but he did not.
***I was giving my first baby liquid acidophilus when he developed thrush (white tongue is a symptom) and it worked well for him***
Was he under a month old at the time? Thats what worries me most about giving him stuff. that he is so young
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Barb [1031.1590] on July 10, 2005 at 07:06:47:
Thanks, Barb!
Yes, its very challenging~!
And to think about the colic only leaving him in 3 months, seems like a lifetime away.
Actually, the midwife I bumped into today, said that they should have a cure for this,and that if this affected adults, they would give them morphine or something like that for the pain!
thanks for the helpful link, and say a prayer for baby and me please. ;-)
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Bliss [1830.1431] on July 10, 2005 at 08:34:30:
I think he was about 6 weeks at the time. The are dairyfree lactiacidophilus', so don't be put off but the word lacto- doesn't necessarily mean dairy.
Don't know if you are aviding vaccines, but kids are much more likely to develop allergies when they get vaccinations, so keep that in mind. You haven't mentioned your dog lately- animals help develop the baby's immune system, so don't be afraid to let them have supervised time together.
Tea made from anise seed is good for the baby when it has gas.
You could probably put some ginger in your food to treat the blandness, as ginger is usually safe for the digestion.
First kids are always a bit of an experiment- you'll learn from this one and feel more confident with the next. All the theories about childrearing seem silly when you actualy interact with a child- trust yourself most, Nature has given you all you need to succeed at this. The hteorists are clueless people who leave their wives or their nannies to raise the kid while they shut themselves up and write- the same goes for doctors, nurses, and social workers. If you want good advice, listen to mothers and grandmothers. One nice days, take a little sun for you both at a playground and chat with other people who love and care for children-want their credentials- the kid is right there on the playground-what do you think of them?
My usband and I tend to try any supplement of new food on ourselves, first, before giving it to a kid- we are sort of a laboratory of the kids' genetics, so, what's safe for both of us is generally safe for the kids. Of course, you might refine that further with knowing everyone's blood type .
In the US we have soy yogurt and goat milk yogurt as well as the regular cow's milk type and we can buy liquid and pill acidophilus in both dairy and non-dairy- don't know if you have the same choices there Ingredient reading can make you crazy- gets worse after the kid learns to read and challenges you on the use of stuff you settle for when you can't find better.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 10, 2005 at 09:54:29:
My baby is too young at the moment to have time with the dog. he was a bit confused when all 3 of us (hubbie me and baby) got home. He didn't understand why our routine had changed so much. You could see very clearly he just didn't seem to understand.
sometimes at night he will sleep under the baby's bassinet. I think he is slowing starting to adjust, but we have had little time for him, unfortunately. Hubbie takes him for a walk a few times a week, but that's it. I try and play withhim when the baby is sleeping, but time is so precious these days.
So ANN, are your children not vaccinated at all, and do you worry about them contracting a disease because of it?
In Reply to: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Blissy [1830.1431] on July 10, 2005 at 00:17:21:
Yes, Blissy.
Gas is csused by fermentation which is an indication of faulty digestion and and absorbtion.
WHY THE DEVIL HAVE YOU NOT GIVEN HIM SOME PROBIOTICS?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 11, 2005 at 06:37:13:
Thanks, walt.
***WHY THE DEVIL HAVE YOU NOT GIVEN HIM SOME PROBIOTICS?***
Because I have been waiting for you to answer my question which I have posted twice now and you haven't responded. I want to be ABSOLUTLEY sure of this when I give it to him as he is so young, only 3 weeks old. I had asked what dosage should I give, and also I wanted to run by you the ingredients on the bottle I bought.
So this is the ingredients:
Lactobacillus acidophilus organisms = 7.5 billion
Bifido Bacterium lactus organisms= 7.5 billion
180mg oligo fructose
Is this above ingredients absolutely safe for him, and what dosage would you recommend???? sorry to piss you off, but I want to be sure for his sake.
My son weighs 9.2 pounds.
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by bliss [1830.1399] on July 10, 2005 at 21:01:39:
my kids have had NO vaccines. They have had perhaps one cold every two years. No earaches until we started using the county swimming pool- then one kid would get an earache each summer. If you read a few f the anti-vaccine books you'll learn that childhood diseases are cyclical, and the claims made for vaccine effectiveness were actual natural downturns in the diseases. Also, you'll read about all the damage that has been done by vaccines-taking a vaccine is NOT making a choice between sickness and health-vaccines are one component of the generally bad health of our adult population.
Info at www.909shot.com
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by ANN [1003.516] on July 11, 2005 at 07:56:46:
I have to agree with Ann. THere are several good books out there (by now, you know I always recommend a book!): "A SHot in the Dark" and one that Mothering Magazine put out--I don't remember the name, but look on their website, which you should know about anyway. They are one of the few magazines I recommend to anyone.
My kids are not immunized, and many times I have been grateful we did not succumb to the pressure to vaccinate. Why put a toxin in perfect body? The risks of the illnesses are inflated and vaccination is BIG BUSINESS (as well as steady income for doctors). I know it is one more thing to stress about as a new mom, but my suggestion is to at least WAIT until you have more information (now they begin so very young). Waiting has been proven to improve outcomes even if you do decide to vaccinate ultimately (there are fewer vaccine complications)
Justine
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Bliss to Walt [1830.1399] on July 11, 2005 at 06:54:04:
Bliss,
I have responded to the dosage question at least twice and my response here is the same: give him wnatever dose you want and do not worry about it (If you want to be exact with the dose, give him the % of an adult dose related to 150# for an adult and 9# for him.) If this were my kid, I would just give him the adult dose. He is suffering because of the lack of these little organisms and, if you wait long enough he will have developed other problems that will last even when the bugs have been supplied.
You are MUCH more likely to damage him by fussing about the dose and keeping the bugs out of his colon than you ever could harm him by just giving him the probiotics!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 12, 2005 at 07:28:01:
thanks so much, Walt!
well, the colic saga continues now even after giving him the probiotics. (Very BIG sIGH~!)
I had bought a bottle of probiotics a few days ago, and gave him just a smidgeon of it on my finger and he licked it off. It was jsut a small dosage of what was recommeneded. I ended up checking with the pharmacist and he recommended 1/4 teaspon of the powder for infants.
Anyway, after the first dose, I thought my prayers were answered; he had an excellent day! Except that I realized that it contained Colostrum (dairy) and then got concerned that he may have an allergic reaction to it. So after spending 26 dollars on that bottle, I went back the next day and bought another one (sigh!) that was dairy free.
so the next day, gave him a dose of that in the same way, by finger. Then I breastfed him right after that. well, about 30 mins later, he vomited up thick clumps of what looked like breastmilk, but I think it was the probiotics. I think maybe because I gave it to him dry that he vomited, dont know.
. And THEN that night (last night) he had such an awful night, with the screaming, I ended up in tears seeing him writhing around in such pain, not knowing what to do.
Luckily my husband reminded me of the colic relief homeopathic formula. I was so stressed I couldn't think straight! That helped settle him for the night. (night time is his worst. He was up till 2am last night!) let me tell you, it's very stressful when he cries like that from colic pains~!
This morning, we gave him 1/4 teaspoon of the probiotic powder (it's not homeopathic) so tonight will be the big test if it works or not~! this is the third night of giving it to him, (maybe we need to give him the adult dosage like you said here!)
1. Do we continue giving him this dosage until we see an improvement, or just give it for a few days????
2. Does it normally take 3 days for significant improvement?
3. If I give him the adult dose (he is three weeks old)
, this will work quicker?
4. How successful has this remedy been in your experience with colic infants?????
TIA
maria Bliss
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Baby Bliss' Mum [1830.1399] on July 12, 2005 at 08:00:14:
Hi Bliss,
Poor little babe--and I'm sure you and hubby are suffering from lack of sleep.
Just adding a little outsider perspective here, for what it's worth :) Instead of thinking of the probiotics as a temporary treatment for colic, try thinking of them as essential to populating his gut with healthy flora. For whatever reason, his body is not able to do this fast enough on its own, and that's why he is suffering so. Remember that you want to establish a lifetime supply of healthy flora in his gut, rather than giving him just enough to make the symptoms go away. In that regard, I don't think it's even possible to give him too much of the probiotics. If you want to be sure he has a good variety of healthy bacteria, you might try alternating the brands, because each one is a little different. I think his body will sort out what it needs and pass the rest along. My holistic MD told me he keeps 3 good brands in his refrigerator and takes a different one each day.
Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Baby Bliss' Mum [1830.1399] on July 12, 2005 at 08:00:14:
Thanks, Blissy.
It CAN take as much as several weeks to get results from probiotics since the GI tract has to be colonized. A larger dose would probably help faster and it is a good idea not to give it to him close to feeding time.
Although I know that it cannot work 100% of the time, since NOTHING works 100% of the time for anything, in my clinical experience it has never failed.
One of the things we were taught in medical school was to "use phenobarbital & give it to the mother". That worked pretty well as well. There is a special bond between infnats and their mothers that all physicians recognize. The more upset the mother is the more colic the babies seem to have.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on July 12, 2005 at 11:47:39:
Thanks muchly, Nutmeg~! ;-)
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas (Archive in pediatrics.) posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on July 13, 2005 at 08:08:08:
Thanks again Walt.
I guess I was thinking this would work straight away. (very impatient!)
I will give him the adult dosage, and AWAY from his regular feeding this time, and let you know how this goes. Thank you so much for your help with this! I don't know how parents don't go stir crazy seeing thier little one in so much pain with colic!
****There is a special bond between infnats and their mothers that all physicians
recognize.****
A few days after I gave birth to him, I noticed several times, that as soon as he would wake up and cry, my nipples would leak milk. It was instantaneous from when he started to cry! I mentioned this to one of the midwives, who said this is because of the "emotional bond" between mother and child. It is fascinating how the body and mind is so connected!
1. Also, another thing, my son has thrush in his mouth, and now, I have it on my nipples. Someimtes whenI am breastfeeding, my nipple is starting to burn.
So I have been told to rub canesten cream on my nipples after every breastfeeding, and also told, I do NOT have to rub it off before breastfeeding. (does this sound right to you?) It does seem to absorb in really well.
2. Also, I wasz told to rub daktarin gel into his tongue and mouth which is a gel to treat oral fungal infections. I feel uncomfortable using this gel in his mouth. Daktarin oral gel is a broad spectrum antifungal product specially formulated to treat oral thrush in infants, children and adults. That's what it says on the tube. Daktarin gel consists of:
20milligrams of miconazole in each gram
glycerol
purified water
potato starch
ethanol
polysorbate 20
sodium saccharin,
cocoa flavour
orange flavour
Do you think this is a safe oral treatment for thrush in a 3 week old infant?
Thanks.
Mother and Child
In Reply to: Re: For Walt - Baby Gas (Archive in pediatrics.) posted by Baby Bliss' Mum [1830.1431] on July 13, 2005 at 10:43:45:
Thanks, Blissy.
The treatment is safe but probably not effective. The painting with gentian violet is 100% effective & safe but messy.
Walt
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