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Posted by ErinM on June 20, 2002 at 17:47:12:

Dated June 5th and possibly available on the company website, I will hand type the oppinion of NATREN on soil bacteria here (because I don't know how to attach). This is part of my personal interest in researching the debate for Dr. Stoll readers, because its important I think. I have another larger bit of info from NLM...what do you all think?
NATREN says
"RE: Soil bacteria for human consumption - (we don't buy it)

We continue to be asked questions regarding the safety of soil bacteria for human consumption. As you know, Natasha Trenev, president and founder of Natren, Inc, has been a constant voice opposing all soil bacteria probiotic formulations for human consumption, based on years of qualified research. This is because there are no standards for soil bacteria in a probiotic. In fact, to Natasha's knowledge, there are no manufactures of pharmacutical-grade soil bacteria in the United States. Only agricultural-grade soil bacteria are being sold in the U.S. market.

As a recognized worlwide authority and pioneer in the feild of probiotics, Natasha has been a longtime advocate of educating consumers and health food stores on the health benefits of probiotics. Natacha's first concern is the health safety of the consumer. It is the reputation of the probiotic category as "Safe and effective" that she continues to promote and defend.

The Bacillus family of bacteria are found in soil and are widely distributed in the environment. They are spore-forming bacteria, producing highly resistant spores in addition to the vegetative or reproductive cells. Suppliers who use marketing tactics to sell 'spore probiotics' fail to understand that there is no such probiotic category in science or in health food industry standards. While it is shown that some clinical studies have shown that spore-forming bacteria may remove harmfull bacteria in the digestive tract, these same spores also are proven to further depress the immune system in immuno-compromised individuals. Furthermore, clinical studies have shown these same spore-forming bacteria are very hard to eliminate outside the human G.I. tract and can withstand the strongest antibiotics known to human science. "Spore probiotics" that are potentially unsafe in the long term defy the term pro-biotic "for-life", and we believe they should not be sold as safe and effective probiotic supplement to the unsuspecting consumer.

Natren is in the business to help people and educate them about the safety and efficacy of probiotics. While our products cost more, they are scientifically well researched for health benefits. We are recognized world wide as the only probiotics manufacturer with the International Drug GMP certification. Our clinical studies are based on our products and label specific strains. We guarantee the 100% potency of every probiotic product we manufacture and formulate through the declared expiration date.

For your review, please find additional attached documentation third party literature, which Natasha hopes will give you the tools to make an informed decision on spore bacteria for everyone.

In good Health, natrenretail@natren.com

The literature they refer to I have a paper copy of from the National Library of Medicine at PubMed. Well, what do you all feel about Natren or NLM as sources of reference? I can post these also but it would be better if I could scan them in and attach them some how, so let me know if you are interested. They are titled: 'Bacillus lichenifomis bacteremia: five cases associated with indwelling central venous catheters','Postopperative nuerosurgical infections due to bacillus species', 'Persistant Bacillus licheniformis bacteremia associated with an international injection of organic drain cleaner', some descriptions and "new taxons: Bacterial genera and species born at the Biocenter!"

LIVE WELL!



Re: soil organisms: my research continues

Posted by Helping You on June 20, 2002 at 20:27:17:

In Reply to: soil organisms: my research continues posted by ErinM on June 20, 2002 at 17:47:12:

Thanks for doing the research Erin. I have this to say about Natren's comments.

The problems MUST lie in the products themselves. The proof is in our history. People have been consuming soil-organisms in the form of fresh fruits and vegetables straight from the garden and in the form of lactofermented foods such as sauerkraut, chutney and yogurt. Now, even though the above lactofermented foods are not in the soil when they are fermented, many traditional societies DID burry their food for fermentation and preservation. Nobody has ever died from eating natural, whole, lactofermented foods or vegetbales straight from an organic garden. So, why then, should we be believe what is being said about the organisms? I can not vouch for many of the soil organism supplements that are on the market but Primal Defense DOES stand out above the rest. The soil organisms are produced by fermenting whole foods for up to 6 months or longer. So, the SBO's are actually CREATED during this fermentation period. The product is made in exactly the same way as people have been doing it for thousands of years. There is no danger there. BUT, if we attempt to isolate these bacteria and take them out of their natural habitat, it's like creating a drug and who KNOWS what kind of effect is would have. Anyway, I support your continued research and I look foward to reading it. However, I suspect that you are going to find the same type of subject matter as you are presenting here. Once again, it comes down to "ISOLATION". Researchers love to isolate what THEY believe to be the "active compound" or the "strongest organism". This is how we are getting into trouble. As of now, Primal Defense is the ONLY soil organism product I recommend and is the ONLY one on the market that grows it's organisms naturally in a whole-food substrate. Take Care

-HY



Thanks HY!

Posted by ErinM on June 20, 2002 at 22:24:06:

In Reply to: Re: soil organisms: my research continues posted by Helping You on June 20, 2002 at 20:27:17:

I think what you say makes sense.

Alot of the other stuff I have indicates problems with newly created or isolated strains without proven history of human consumption. I would post them here but I think I have to type them... unless there is a way to attach word documents.

Cheers.




Re: soil organisms: my research continues (Archive in probiotics.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 21, 2002 at 13:47:01:

In Reply to: soil organisms: my research continues posted by ErinM on June 20, 2002 at 17:47:12:

Thanks, Erin M.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Thanks HY!

Posted by Helping You on June 23, 2002 at 19:28:42:

In Reply to: Thanks HY! posted by ErinM on June 20, 2002 at 22:24:06:

I agree. Some companies are adding these strains to their products in order to boost sales. They advertise that their products are "more complete" and this may be at least one of the problems. Take Care

-HY

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