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Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Michelle. update for Walt too on March 12, 2003 at 09:18:02:

My immunologist wants me on acidolpholus ASAP. He told me I could either buy a supplement or eat yogurt every day. I prefer the supplement route. He never said how much I should take. What is a good amount to take daily? Is NOW a good product as I have L-Glutamine NOW? Is there any side effects such as GI disturbance? I am taking this for a congental IgA Deficiency that was finally found after 31 years! I have chronic diarrhea amoung other horrible symptoms. Walt, I will post again once my labs are back and I go to my follow-up with my immunologist in two weeks and give an update. But, he was FANTASTIC. He sat with me for two hours yesterday and went through EVERY bit of my health history from birth to present. He explained things in detail and I was so happy when I left his office because I feel so content in being in his care. He is wonderful and so sweet and NOT COCKY like some doctors can be. Walt, thanks for insisting that I SEE a plain immunologist instead of an allergist/immunologist/infectious disease doctor. This doctor was so emotionally charged when I told him how the other doctos downplayed the IgA Deficiency and chronic mesenteric adenitis that I have. He said he cannot stand how allergist's claim to also be completely knowledgeable in immunology also. Same goes for infectios disease docs. He really felt for me with all that I have gone through and how sick I have been my whole life. And the best news of all is that he approaches things in both a conventional and alternative way. AGAIN...you are correct in saying that there is a BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again for your continued brilliance!



Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Helping You on March 12, 2003 at 14:30:06:

In Reply to: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Michelle. update for Walt too on March 12, 2003 at 09:18:02:

Commerical yogurt is useless. You need a supplement. Primal Defense, Flora Source, VSL#3, and OMX (from www.crohns.net) are the best that I know of.

-HY



Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by R. on March 12, 2003 at 16:26:20:

In Reply to: Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Helping You on March 12, 2003 at 14:30:06:

I would disagree that commercial yogurts are useless. When fresh, it can contain a huge amount of beneficial bacteria. An average concentration is 3 billion cfu/mL of yogurt. According to Danone (a link I have is no longer valid), there's about 10 billion cfu/ml of kefir. One cup contains about 250 ml, so do the math (2.5 trillion). Read a well written comparison of probiotic supplements and fermented foods.

However, since you can't control freshness of commercial yogurt, making your own fresh yogurt or kefir is a great idea and seems much better than buying probiotic supplements. When making yogurt, use varied cultures, not just acidophilus. That's why kefir is better.



Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 2003 at 07:33:40:

In Reply to: Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by R. on March 12, 2003 at 16:26:20:

Thanks, R.

I believe that Kefir and yogurt are helpful maintenance substances whereas a therapeutic probiotic supplement is needed for therapeutic applications.

Walt




Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 2003 at 07:34:46:

In Reply to: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Michelle. update for Walt too on March 12, 2003 at 09:18:02:

Thanks, Michelle.

Sounds like you have found a "keeper".

Let us know how you do.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by R. on March 13, 2003 at 17:32:28:

In Reply to: Re: Acidopholus?not sure of spelling..where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 2003 at 07:33:40:

And I think your belief is not supported by facts because fresh yogurt and kefir contain MUCH MORE various beneficial microorganisms than what currently currently available probiotic products can provide. Moreover, it has been shown that fermented food provide additional benefits, related and unrelated to microorganisms, that probiotic products don't.



Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 14, 2003 at 09:01:41:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by R. on March 13, 2003 at 17:32:28:

Sorry, R.

The last time I actually looked (about 20 years ago) these natural products only contained a miniscule dose of live organisms in relationshop to the doses needed for any effective benefit in those with dysbiosis.

I would be interested in seeing what you have been reading.

Walt



Re: Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.)

Posted by R. on March 14, 2003 at 15:03:22:

In Reply to: Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 14, 2003 at 09:01:41:

Please realize that I am talking about fresh yogurt and kefir. Since you cannot control freshness or other aspects of quality of commercial (natural or not) products, you have to make them yourself. And making them yourself is very cheap and easy... especially kefir. Better than going to a store to buy an approximation to kefir. You can learn about kefir at http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html. There is not a good excuse to prefer commercial products over homemade ones unless you are sure what you buy is a good thing.

I would be interested in seeing what you have been reading.

It was in my post you replied to. You can reread it here.

I want to add that I know people who have gotten therapeutic effects from eating home made fermented foods (yogurt, kefir, sauerkraut, kimchi, etc.). And it usually doesn't take a lot of time. I know of one person with Crohn's disease who was able to eliminate all his symptoms by consuming what are called Effective Microorganisms (EM). They are very popular in Japan. You can learn about them at



Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Helping You on March 14, 2003 at 21:14:58:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by R. on March 13, 2003 at 17:32:28:

You keep saying "fresh yogurt" and "fresh kefir" but it seems that you have failed to realize that most commercial yogurts and kefir are not "fresh", especially after the homogenization and pastuerization process. Many companies add these probiotics BEFORE the pasturization process. There have also never been any studies done to prove how many organisms are contained in commerical yogurt.

Primal Defense is my choice of probiotic for ALL the reasons you mentioned. This probiotic is made simply from culturing foods therefore, it contains ALL the benefical microorganisms that would be created through lactofermentation. The only difference is, Primal Defense is concentrated so a therapeutic dose of it is like eating many cups worth of fermented vegetables. It is simply the best most reliable probiotic on the market and clinical studies back up these claims.

Now, if you were talking about FARM FRESH RAW YOGURT OR KEFIR, I would not dispute what you are saying. But commerical yogurt? I don't know. Maybe.

-HY



Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by R. on March 15, 2003 at 00:19:11:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Helping You on March 14, 2003 at 21:14:58:

it seems that you have failed to realize that most commercial yogurts and kefir are not "fresh"

If you read my other posts (http://askwaltstollmd.com/wwwboard/messages/153813.shtml and http://askwaltstollmd.com/wwwboard/messages/154345.shtml), you will see that I have not.

Now, if you were talking about FARM FRESH RAW YOGURT OR KEFIR, I would not dispute what you are saying

I was thinking more like homemade.



Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. less CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 2003 at 08:33:44:

In Reply to: Re: Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.) posted by R. on March 14, 2003 at 15:03:22:

Thanks, R.

I certainly agree that home made and fresh are vastly superior (and a lot cheaper) but how many people are willing to go to the bother?

Namaste`

Walt



Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Helping You on March 15, 2003 at 23:56:34:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by R. on March 15, 2003 at 00:19:11:

"I would disagree that commercial yogurts are useless. When fresh, it can contain a huge amount of beneficial bacteria. An average concentration is 3 billion cfu/mL of yogurt. According to Danone (a link I have is no longer valid), there's about 10 billion cfu/ml of kefir. One cup contains about 250 ml, so do the math (2.5 trillion). Read a well written comparison of probiotic supplements and fermented foods."

This was from your post correct? So, here you are saying that "commerical yogurt" has value as a source of probiotics when "fresh". I disagree. That sentence is an oxymoron. Commerical yogurt and "fresh" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. I have neve come across a "fresh" commerical yogurt before. Then, when I mentioned that in my last post, you said, "I was thinking more like homemade". That's not what you said originally. Your case was for commercial yogurt. So which is it? Is commerical yogurt of value for probiotics or is it homemade?

-HY




Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by R. on March 16, 2003 at 00:43:37:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Helping You on March 15, 2003 at 23:56:34:

He-he-he. How about this: a commercial yogurt made and sold the same day? It's possible, isn't it? Also, I am sure that even not so fresh yogurts are not useless. Their value might be low but they are not useless. I know this from my personal experience. I've been buying Brown Cow yogurt made from unhomogenized milk, and I can definitely feel its therapeutic value.

I buy 5 jars or more at a time and they last me for several days (on top of however long they'd been in the store). So, in my reality, commercial yogurt is far from being useless. And I am talking about eating a couple of spoons. I eat about one 2 lb jars a day.



Re: Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. less CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.)

Posted by R. on March 16, 2003 at 00:48:20:

In Reply to: Acidophilus? where to get, good brand. less CONTROVERSY (Archive in probiotics.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 15, 2003 at 08:33:44:

That doesn't make it false. How many people are willing to practice SR everyday, be strict enough about their diets, and exercise regularly? Not many. Do you get my point?

I personally know several people who make kefir regularly but who don't do the other helpful things. They probably do that because making kefir requires almost no efforts, and it's much cheaper and more effective than most probiotics (talking about capsules and like).

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Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Helping You on March 16, 2003 at 12:42:09:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by R. on March 16, 2003 at 00:43:37:

lol, anything's possible I guess. I would really like to see studies done on these commerical yogurts to make sure that they contain what is claimed but if I had to choose one, Brown Cow would be a good one.

I get a raw goat kefir from a local farm that literally goes from the goat, to the incubating jar, to my hands. It doesn't get any fresher than that! lol

-HY



Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by R. on March 17, 2003 at 00:23:17:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by Helping You on March 16, 2003 at 12:42:09:

I would really like to see studies done on these commerical yogurts to make sure that they contain what is claimed

For what it's worth, take a look at Claim 2 at http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/conspiracy.html.



Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects?

Posted by Helping You on March 17, 2003 at 10:38:53:

In Reply to: Re: acidophilus? where to get, good brand, any side effects? posted by R. on March 17, 2003 at 00:23:17:

I will do that. Thanks R!

-HY

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