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probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by B on January 15, 2001 at 08:47:32:

Hi Walt
Wondering if you know why some lactobacillus acidophillis as well as some bifidus strains need refrigeration yet I can see the exact same strains of l. acidophillis and bifidus on other brands that need no refrigration. (these strains are labelled identically on the bottle needing refrigeration and the bottle not needing refrideration)Also, does it matter when choosing a probiotic?

Thanks
B



Re: probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by
Rich on January 16, 2001 at 00:57:21:

In Reply to: probiotics and refrigeration posted by B on January 15, 2001 at 08:47:32:

The difference is, the probiotic that does not require refridgeration is more stable. It is more stable to light, heat, oxygen, stomach acid and pH and therefore has more of a chance of actually colonizing the intestinal tract. I would use non-refridgerated brand. Also, dosage is important. Ideally, look for a brand that has 10 Billion live organisms or more per capulse. CULTURELLE is such a product and can be picked up at most CVS's. It is the most highly researched strain of lactobacillius and is proven to colonize the intestinal tract. Take care

Rich



Re: probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by B on January 16, 2001 at 08:16:50:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by Rich on January 16, 2001 at 00:57:21:

Hi Rich
Thanks for the recommendation. Checked my local CVS and unfortunately, they didn't have. Will keep looking, but in the meantime,is Culturelle dairy free as well as free from other allergens?

Thanks!



Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi

Posted by kmd on January 16, 2001 at 11:05:14:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by B on January 16, 2001 at 08:16:50:

nmi



Re: probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by
Rich on January 16, 2001 at 11:23:20:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by B on January 16, 2001 at 08:16:50:

Culturelle also contains a small amount of inulin which is a plant carbohydrate (FOS). FOS can feed good as well as bac bacteria. However, the FOS is pre-digested by the Lactobacillus and there is nothing left for pathogenic bacteria. I doubt you are allergic to it. FOS is found in many fruits and vegetables. The other ingredient is gelatin capsule. You can always try it and see how it goes. Do a search for Culturelle and you will find their web-site so you can order.

Rich



Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi

Posted by Rich on January 16, 2001 at 11:24:55:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi posted by kmd on January 16, 2001 at 11:05:14:

CVS is a type of pharmacy. Like Wallgreens or Wallmart or something. They seem to universally carry Culturelle. It is one of the only human-strain probiotics on the market that is proven to colonize the intestinal tract. It also treats all forms of diahrea.

Rich



Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi

Posted by Dave on January 16, 2001 at 15:18:56:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi posted by Rich on January 16, 2001 at 11:24:55:

Rich, Have you heard of (flora source) made by sedona laboratories.



Re: probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by B on January 16, 2001 at 15:51:21:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by Rich on January 16, 2001 at 11:23:20:

Rich
Because right now I have a bad yeast problem, I've been told to stay away from FOS. However, when you say the FOS is
pre-digested by the Lactobacillus and there is nothing left for pathogenic bacteria, is that unique to Culturelle, or is that the case with any FOS? Its so hard to know as there seem to be so many opinions on the subject, so any somewhat concrete info you have will be greatly appreciated.



Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi

Posted by
Rich on January 16, 2001 at 20:27:24:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi posted by Dave on January 16, 2001 at 15:18:56:

yes. Flora source is a good product. It works very well. However, I wanted something that would not require refridgeration. I could take it with me on trips, and it would be more stable. All in all, great product!! Are you taking it? Are you getting good results from it?

Rich



Re: probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by
Rich on January 16, 2001 at 20:43:11:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by B on January 16, 2001 at 15:51:21:

Tbhe FOS in Culturelle is pre-digested because the the probiotic is actually cultured in it and is allowed to eat the FOS. This is kind of like going inside your intestine, removing what bacteria you want to feed to the FOS and allowing it to thrive one it, and then putting it back in. Yeast will simply not be able to eat off it. However, when you take FOS by itself as a supplement, it is an open feast for all organsisms in your gut. Not all supplements that have probiotics and FOS are safe though. They are not specially cultured before hand like Culturelle is. This is the only Concrete human-strain product with FOS that I know of. Metagenics makes a probiotic called Ultra Flora which is similar to Culturelle and you could use it, but it requires refridgeration.

If you are fighting yeast by yourself, without the help of a doctor, I have some suggestions for you that will speed along the process. First off, buy a fiber supplement like flax or pysillium. Also, get some tannalbit (do a search) and take 4 tannalbit and 1 serving of fiber 1st thing in the morning on an empty stomach about 1 hour before eating, and repeat before going to bed. This will help eliminate dead and live yeast that you will be removing with herbal antifungals. Do a search for the following products and take them on a rotation basis. Take one product for 4 days, then switch to the next for 4 days and do this continusouly for 3 months. Look up: Candibactin AR and Candibactin BR. These are volitle oils and these 2 products are taken together, 30 minutes before meals, 3 times a day. Look up Biodicin. This product must be taken with its accompanying product Biotonic or you will get very sick from die-off. Work your way up to 5 drops of biocidin 3 times a day just after meals (take 2 biotonic with it). This point cannot be stressed enough. You must take it just after a decent size meal or you will feel sick. It is very powerful. The third one is called DC3. Take 20 drops 4 times a day, perferably between meals. It is tasteless. Finally, look up Kolorex and follow instructions on bottle. Do not take any antioxidant supplements while taking these or any herbal antifungals. They will stop them from working. Taking Essential Fatty acids like flax or borage oil can stop yeast from turning into a fungus. Stay on this regimen for 3 months. After 3 months, come back on the board and I will help you to finish it out. This is exactly what I did and I have conquerd my yeast. You probably already know not to eat any refined carbs or sugar and to limit fruit. You can, however, have 1 serving a day of any of these: Any berries, Granny smith apple, any type of melon, lemons and limes. Go easy though. Avoid dairy, gluten (they will feed yeast). If you are already on a program, ignore this. I am just telling you what worked for me. I studied a lot about chronic yeast and it really takes a lot to get rid of it but it can be done.

Once the majority of the candida is gone, you can begin to take probiotics to rebuild your intestinal tract. At this point you can feel free to take FOS. Also, take digestive enzymes with each meal and try HCL with protein. Start with 1 600mg capsule of HCL with each protein meal. At every meal of the same size after that, increase by 1 capsule until you feel warmth or heart-burn. When that happens, cut back by one pill and that is the dose you need to take with each protein meal of that size. Lack of HCL and pancreatic enzymes will allow yeast to flourish. Just something to keep in mind. Hormone balance, thyroid function, and adrenal function are also factors in chronic yeast. Your best bet is to work with someone that can monitor your results using lab tests. If you have any question, feel free to ask. I am here.

Rich



Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi

Posted by Dave on January 16, 2001 at 21:08:08:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi posted by Rich on January 16, 2001 at 20:27:24:

Rich, Yes I am getting what I think very good results from it.



GREAT!!! :-)

Posted by Rich on January 17, 2001 at 01:01:23:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration - What's a CVS? nmi posted by Dave on January 16, 2001 at 21:08:08:

nmi



Re: probiotics and refrigeration

Posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 09:54:29:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by Rich on January 16, 2001 at 20:43:11:

Rich
Thanks for your wealth of information. I will keep close at hand. Right now, I am doing better. It turned out I have a LOT of food allergies. I did not consider myself to be the allergic type ever until very recently, so that was a shock in itself. I am HIGHLY allergic to grains, dairy, sugar...even foods like tomatoes and peppers. And I am thin to begin with, so there is nothing good about the weight loss. I was vegetarian for the past 5 years but now have to consume meats or I would wither away. Also on Nystatin 8Million units/day and started homeopathic remedy AquaFlora last week.Also, decided to get some candida and a couple other shots from my allergist/environmental medicine doc. Will give a good few months, as I agree with the concept of trying to build resistance to the yeast. Not sure of what the results will be, but I am optimistic. I also rotate every 4 days between garlic, grapeseed oil, caprylic acid and oil of oregano, in addition to everyday supplements and trying to find the right probiotic. But, I have found NOTHING will work if I eat a food I'm not supposed to, even a little. Hopefully, as the yeasts go away, I will be able to cheat a little, even if its just a piece of bread! But, I think that day is a lifetime away at this point!



you will!!

Posted by
Rich on January 17, 2001 at 11:16:23:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 09:54:29:

Are they food allergies (IgE reactions) or food sensitivities (IgG delayed reactions? Chances are, your food intolerance is caused by the yeast. When the yeast is gone, you will probably be able to tolerate the foods again. Don't worry, I was in the same boat. Very thin, allergic to foods, loads of yeast, not-so-great digestion. It is not smart for people like us to be vegetarians and we don't have to to be healthy. Most traditional cultures eat some kind of animal food. Even the healthiest cultures in the world.

I have a few suggestions you may try to lessen the effect of food intolerance. 30 minutes before meals, take a product that combines Quercetin and Bromelain. NOW makes a good brand. also, take 1 tsp. of powdered glutamine with the quercetin-Bromelain. Then, 15 minutes before the meal, take 1/4-1/2 tsp. of BUFFERED vitamin C crystals in some water. Then, just before your meal, take 1-4 digestive enzymes. I guarantee you that your reactions will be less severe. sometimes you can avoid them all together. see, this combination of product blocks the production of histimines and can prevent the leaky gut reaction from food intolerance. This is good because food allergies will cause or provoke leaky gut. This combination of substances will prevent the leaky gut reaction in the first place. so, you can't possibly have a severe reaction to the food.

How do you know you have the food allergies? Elimination diet? Blood tests? Skin tests? It makes all the difference in the world. To be honest, I don't think it is possible to identify every single food with 100% accuracy using any of the methods. You will always miss something. This is why the histamine-blocking cocktail is important. give it a try. At first, try it with something that you know gives you a reaction but nothing serious and see what happens.

Be careful with the Nistatin. What happens is, the Nistatin kills off the easy strains of yeast leaving only the hardy strains. These strains get stronger and become very difficult to eliminate. Plus, Nystatin can have some pretty nasty side-effects. I like the supplents you are already taking on a rotational basis. They sound good. You might take something to increase your immune function like Transferfactors, Colostrum, or MGN'3. The colostrum could cause an allergic problem but it is rare. These also help with food allergy. Just know that the ONLY reason you are having food allergy is because you are not completely breaking down the foods you eat. Especially protein. This is how you know that your digestion needs attention. Try the HCL (Hyrochloric acid) protocol for protein digestion. Take a digestive enzyme High in Protease (at least 37,000 USP per capsule). You will get less food reactions if you do. I am telling you all this because I had a real hard time eliminating the yeast by myself with no info. I learned all this in the process and it payed off big time. Good luck to you.

Rich



Re: probiotics and refrigeration (Archive in probiotics.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 2001 at 12:01:52:

In Reply to: probiotics and refrigeration posted by B on January 15, 2001 at 08:47:32:

Hi, B.

The only way I know is to take a sample of each product and take it to your local private clinical lab. Tell them you want to know how many live organisms there are in each product. This will cost you about $500 (depending on how many you have them test).

When I did this, 25 years ago. Most of the non-refrigerated specimens were sterile (even the best had only about 10,000 organisms/recommended dose) and only 2 of the refrigerated specimens actually had the 6 billion organisms/dose required for effectiveness.

If you do this, please share what you learn with the BB. I no longer have an income so I cannot afford to do it.

Walt



Re: you will!!

Posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 13:11:25:

In Reply to: you will!! posted by Rich on January 17, 2001 at 11:16:23:

Rich
I would like to sincerely thank you for the time you are taking to educate me on these very confusing matters...it is deeply appreciated.
I guess I have food sensitivities, as the reaction comes within 1-2 hours. I will try your suggestion to lessen food allergies...sounds promising! Regarding the Nystatin, I heard about those reactions to Nizoral, but not nystatin. I thought I was a little safer with Nystatin, as all my research thus far did not turn up your info. I am taking Pancreatin by TwinLabs as a pancreatic enzyme after eating meat....didn't realize it could make that much of an impact. I sometimes feel I am losing weight even quicker on these because I am breaking everything down so quick! But I know its important. Should I take even if I don't consume meat in a meal? What is glutamine...its not dervived from gluten, is it, as its another food sensitivity! I had skin test done to see allergies and I was off the board allergic to grains, candida(obviously!) ragweed (tomatoes, peppers) dustmites (isn't everyone!)and cockroaches (cocoa-chocolate). I did not see any improvement even after a month on Nizoral(big mistake) until I eliminated all grains (excluding brown rice) and to a lesser extent the foods related to ragweed. Thanks again!



Ragweeed....

Posted by LT on January 17, 2001 at 14:14:06:

In Reply to: Re: you will!! posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 13:11:25:

and tomatoes and peppers....really? I have a terrible allergy to ragweed and have to be very careful about tomatoes -- must be washed in soap and water first and then I can't have too many. Peppers too?


Lisa



Re: you will!!

Posted by Barbara on January 17, 2001 at 15:39:16:

In Reply to: you will!! posted by Rich on January 17, 2001 at 11:16:23:

Hi Rich! I tried that Quercetin Complex by Solgar. It has the Bromelain and vitamin C in it. Read about it in an food allergy book. It didn't seem to help.



Re: Ragweeed....

Posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 20:03:41:

In Reply to: Ragweeed.... posted by LT on January 17, 2001 at 14:14:06:

Hi
For me green peppers are a culrit and my allergist also lists it on foods to avoid, but it seems like most food is irritating for me lately! Does washing the tomatoes help with making them less irritating?



maybe it depends on how they irrate you...

Posted by LT on January 17, 2001 at 22:08:03:

In Reply to: Re: Ragweeed.... posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 20:03:41:

it used to be when I would eat tomatoes, I would feel my throat closing up. Since they were usually my dad's tomatoes, I thought it was some insecticide he was using so I started with the soap and water and it made it go away. When I started growing my own and used no insecticide, I had the same feeling with the tomato -- my throat would close up and it was just terrible. Washing with the soap does the trick for me in that instance.

I think that the actual plants themselves, not the fruit, are poisonous to cattle, pets, etc., so maybe it's related in some way?

Lisa



Re: maybe it depends on how they irrate you...

Posted by Dave on January 18, 2001 at 00:04:08:

In Reply to: maybe it depends on how they irrate you... posted by LT on January 17, 2001 at 22:08:03:

LT, I know how you feel with a tomato. I have the same problem, Have eaten 2 slices in my life. The second one almosr killed me, had to go to the hospital my throat just closed off. They are member of nightshade family. Plant is very much poison to animals. .



Not worth the expense?

Posted by
Rich on January 18, 2001 at 00:48:04:

In Reply to: Re: probiotics and refrigeration (Archive in probiotics.) posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 2001 at 12:01:52:

Seems kinda pricy. What I always do is, use a product that has been tested in a clinical setting. Culturelle is one of the only products that have been clinically proven to colonize the intestinal tract. I don't need to spend $500 to figure that out. I just read the clinical studies. Primal Defense and Nature's Biotics are two other probiotics. However, these are SBO's and have also been used in the clinical setting with great sucess. save your money. use trusted products. i know they work. I have before and after Comprehensive Stool analysis's from Great Smokies showing an elimination of Candida, normalization of butyrate leves and optimization of lactobacillius from using those 2 prodcuts. Just thought you might find the info useful. I learned a long time ago not to pick a prodcut off the shelf and start using it. I do ample research before-hand. Plus, it's free :)

Rich



Re: you will!!

Posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 00:49:58:

In Reply to: Re: you will!! posted by Barbara on January 17, 2001 at 15:39:16:

Sorry to hear that. Maybe you should try a different product. This is not a short-cut for eliminating allergens. It is a safe-guard. You can't possibly eliminate them all.

Rich



Re: you will!!

Posted by
Rich on January 18, 2001 at 01:05:28:

In Reply to: Re: you will!! posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 13:11:25:

You are very welcome. You are right. Nystatin generally has fewer side-effects than the others. It should only be used for a few months though.

Glutamine is an amino acid. It is the most concentrated amino acid in muscle and it is the prefered food for the lining of the intestinal wall. it is vital for you. It will help you retain muscle mass and it will help balance your blood sugar and lessen food sensitivity. skin pricking may not be the most accurate way to identify food sensitivies so you may have missed some. Lots of people here will tell you to do a food elimination diet. I personally don't think they are any better than the RAST or ELISA testing. It is a time-consuming and daunting process.

Anyway, about the pancreatin. It is a good product. I am not sure though. does it contain HCL in it? if so, you are best saving that product for a protein meal and taking plant enzymes or pancreatin without HCL with starch. HCL may give you heart-burn if you take it with starch. Oh yeah, I forgot to ask. do you practice food combining? It may help you. the main rule is, you eat protein with vegetables at a meal or starch and vegetbales at a meal but never protein and starch. If you don't have symptoms like gas, bloating or rumbling after a meal I wouldn't worry about it but if that is a problem, it will help you.

Don't worry about breaking your food down better. It's a funny thing. Breaking the food down to small particles will not cause weight loss. weight loss, in your case, is caused by poor digestion (not breaking down foods enough) and maybe not eating enough too. Your food sensitivities are caused by faulty digestion. so, instead of saying "i have food sensitivity", it is more accurate to say, "I have not-so-great digestion right now" and to work on that. As your digestion improves, your sensitivity will get better and you will put on weight. When you are a little better, you may wish to try kefir, yogurt, and cultured vegetbales like kraut. These are pre-digested and will help you break down other foods you eat them with. i always eat meat with cultured vegetables. Also, I want you to visit this site: www.crohns.net. Don't worry, you do not have crohns. however, there are a few interesting products that may help you get better faster. Look up: GOATEIN, PRIMAL DEFENSE, PERFECT FOOD. read it and tell me what you think. I have up'd my digestion 5 fold by taking the Primal defense and perfect food. I find that if i am full or bloated, I take some of the Perfect food and within 30 minutes, I am starving because it helps to break down your food and normalize elimination. wait untl you see the before and after pictures of Jordan. he suffered crohn's disease and tons of other disease including food allergy, arthritis, and weight loss (he weighed like 80pds.) Within 4 months of changing his diet and adding soil-based organisms to his diet, he regained his weight and was cured of crohn's disease. These things can happen. Check it out.

Rich



Re: you will!!

Posted by Vince F on January 18, 2001 at 07:24:24:

In Reply to: Re: you will!! posted by B on January 17, 2001 at 13:11:25:

Glutamine is an amino acid. Reminded me I wanted to pick up
a multi amino yesterday and was near the store but was busy
and forgot.

VF



Re: you will!!

Posted by B on January 18, 2001 at 10:10:37:

In Reply to: Re: you will!! posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 01:05:28:

Good Morning Rich
So I went to the crohn.net website and checked out Perfect Food and Primal Defense. They sound great, but contain oat, soy and tomato. Since I know through elimination that esp oat brings on my symptoms, I'm wondering if I may do more harm than good. But the man whose testimonial I read and saw the pictures of also had problems with foods and he did ok. AAAHHH! This is so frustrating!



don;t worry!

Posted by
Rich on January 18, 2001 at 11:09:16:

In Reply to: Re: you will!! posted by B on January 18, 2001 at 10:10:37:

I don't think that the Perfect food will bother you becuase all the ingredients are 100% pre-digested. Remember, you have allergy because your body isn't breaking down food completely. Since the food in Perfect Food is already broken down, you don't have to do it and chances are you will not suffer a reaction. You can always do a search for Nature's Biotics and take that instead. It is JUST the HSO's which would be of huge benefit to you and your immune system. I don't think you would have a problem.

I was diagnosed with having sensitivities to 67 foods. Tomoatoes and gluten were 2 of them. Perfect Food presents no problem for me. Plus, as I said, candida is making you more allergic and sensitive to foods. I spoke to Jordan personally and he told me what he did specifically to get well. He did not focus his attention on any one particular symptom. He just knew that his immune system/digestion was failing. He took high doses of HSO's. He ate very small meals every 1/2 hr. to 1hr. He ate only whole-foods. He ate raw dairy products and cultured foods. He was in bed every night at 9pm and he stopped worrying and researching and he just did what made sense to his body according to how it reacted to different foods. He was so sick that he couldn't live in a populated area because of the environmental contamination. He moved into a trailer by the beach to get clean air. Once he got his immune system and digestion working again, the food sensitivities went away. They have to. In a properly functioning digestive system and clean body, there is no reason for the immune system to go awry like that. Focus your attention on improving your digestion, getting rid of the candida, eating whole foods, getting plenty of rest and relaxation with moderate exercise. Take only whole-food supplements (Like the ones you saw on crohns.net) and avoid any food that you cannot tolerate. Keep in mind that foods can be problematic in one state but present no problem in another. An example would be raw vegetables over cooked ones. You would react far worse to a raw tomato than you would a cooked one because of the state of your digestion. Also, Liquid milk would probably bother you a whole lot more than kefir or yogurt which is partially digested. This is why you should add plenty of cultured foods to your diet. They are pre-digested, provide valuable organisms, and clean out your body. Start slowly and pay attention to your body. I think people like us spend so much time asking questions and looking to ouside help that we don't take enough time to listen to what our bodies are telling us. I hope this information helps you. It did wonders and continues to do wonders for me.

Rich



Re: don;t worry!

Posted by B on January 18, 2001 at 13:23:36:

In Reply to: don;t worry! posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 11:09:16:

You are absolutely correct! Thanks for the kind words. And anyway, it is worth a try....the stress over watching my weight drop and not getting better quick enough I know is affecting my immune system. The good days I have are sooo good and the bad ones just get worse. Will heed your advice and give some stuff a try. One last question and I will give you a break for awhile while I try some stuff out....Went to pick up some glutamine and they come in different mg. any recommendations on a sufficent amount to take before each meal?(to take with the Quercetin and Brom.) You won't hear from me for awhile now while I work on some of these issues, but will keep you posted...thanks again for your guidance-
B



yikes! Glad to know...

Posted by LisaT on January 18, 2001 at 14:13:51:

In Reply to: Re: maybe it depends on how they irrate you... posted by Dave on January 18, 2001 at 00:04:08:

you're still with us, how scary! I better watch out for that feeling then -- thanks for the heads up!



Write anytime!!

Posted by
Rich on January 18, 2001 at 20:21:06:

In Reply to: Re: don;t worry! posted by B on January 18, 2001 at 13:23:36:

Get powdered L-glutamine with no fillers or binders. There is no perfect dosage for it. Taking between 1000mg and 5000mg 3x a day should be enough. Take 800mg of quercetin with 2000gdu of bromelain 30 minutes before meals. the NOW brand has the dosage all panned out for you. You can also take 1/4 tsp. of vitamin C crysals (buffered only) 15 minutes before meals to lessen reactions. It works. You can also make life easier by going to www.drbralyallergyrelief.com and buying his food allergy formula. It is quite comprehensive and will take care of all those products in one. Sorry I didn't think about it earlier. This is an exceptional site for food allergies. The product has been used with great sucess. If you have the means, it would be the ideal. He is the director of immuno labs and is a leading authority in the field of environmental medicine.

If you find that the reactions don't lessen, don't despair. This just means you are very sensitive and you need time to get your immune system and digestive system working again. Also, eliminating the candida is of prime importance. Nothing will work well with those nasties in there.

Eat smaller meals and see how you react to things. I found that if I ate too many carbs at a meal, I would get heartburn so I adjusted it until the symptoms subsided. write whenever you need to. You can also email me directly. I am a wealth of info because I have been through the whole ball and wax. everything will work out in the end. until then, life must go on. take care

Rich



Re: maybe it depends on how they irrate you...

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 19, 2001 at 11:59:17:

In Reply to: maybe it depends on how they irrate you... posted by LT on January 17, 2001 at 22:08:03:

Hi, LT.

There is a graph in my book about how to look at this and what to DO about it.

Walt



Rich, raw vs. cooked foods

Posted by kmd on January 19, 2001 at 16:23:58:

In Reply to: don;t worry! posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 11:09:16:

Hi Rich, you are very knowledgeable! I noticed you wrote, "Keep in mind that foods can be problematic in one state but present no problem in another. An example would be raw vegetables over cooked ones. You would react far worse to a raw tomato than you would a cooked one because of the state of your digestion."

This is VERY interesting to me because I have been perplexed by a mystery of my own which is that I cannot seem to eat raw or barely cooked broccoli or cauliflower, but I can eat them fine if they are thoroughly cooked. When I eat them raw or undercooked, I get chest pains and flu-like symptoms, nausea and even chills. The chest pains can be so bad as to bring tears and once I went to the ER thinking I was having a heart attack (before I recognized the connection to the foods).

Maybe you can shed some light on this. I do not have this problem with other foods at all. In fact, I can pretty much eat anything and never have any bodily distress, not even gas or bloating.




Re: Write anytime!!

Posted by kmd on January 19, 2001 at 16:37:56:

In Reply to: Write anytime!! posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 20:21:06:

Hi again, just reviewed that site on food allergies and I'm getting the impression that he deals mostly with intolerances such as gluten sensitivity and other multiple food sensitivities (not true allergies?). Am I correct? My son has a life-threatening peanut allergy, this is a true food allergy to the protein of the peanut. I'm wondering if his book deals with this sort of issue. Do you have one of his books, you could tell me?



Re: Rich, raw vs. cooked foods

Posted by Rich on January 20, 2001 at 01:15:29:

In Reply to: Rich, raw vs. cooked foods posted by kmd on January 19, 2001 at 16:23:58:

sure. this is because when you cook the food, you break down or partially break down the protein molecules (which are what cause the food reaction in the first place). Your body doesn't have to work as hard to digest the food and less proteins "seep" into your blood stream to cause immune reactions. This is why, when I was treating my food allergy, I would cook foods well (but not mushed) and take enzymes with them to further enhance my digestion. Once I got my digestion back on track, the food allergies just went away. my philosophy is, if your digestion is working, you have no food sensitivity (only food allergy if you were born with it. This only presents a problem for 2% of the population though)

Also, I ate more pre-digested foods like home-made kefir and yogurt, cultured vegatables, cultured grains, cultured fruits, and special pre-digested supplements like Perfect Food, Primal Defense and Goatein, available at www.crohns.net.

I thought it was interesting to discover why food reactions happen in the first place and what causes it. Simply put, it is the protein in the food. so, partially breaking down the protein or pre-digesting it will lessen or stop a food reaction. This will not work for someone with a classic allergy (the 2% I was talking about). If they try that, they will end up in the hospital. I am talking about people who developed food sensitivity. It IS interesting, isn't it?

Rich



True allergy!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Rich on January 20, 2001 at 01:20:19:

In Reply to: Re: Write anytime!! posted by kmd on January 19, 2001 at 16:37:56:

okay, don't despair. Yes, his bookd deals with that but only on strict avoidance which you already know. however, I know of a treatment that can permanently remove a TRUE allergy. It is called NAET. You may have heard of it or ran into it on this board. It has its believers and non-believers. Personally, I believe it works. I have seen the results. i believe the reason it doesn't work for some people is because they have Leaky gut syndrome at the same time. so, whatever foods are cleared during the NAET will become allergic again because they did not take care of the leaky gut first. Do a search for N.A.E.T and see what you find. Also, another treatment is called EPD (Enzyme Potentiated Desensitization). This is similar to allergy shots but it is a new technique that actually works. Once again, do a search. These two treatments work very well for true allergies. Let me know what you come up with.

Rich



Re: Not worth the expense? (Archive in Probiotics.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 2001 at 08:08:57:

In Reply to: Not worth the expense? posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 00:48:04:

Thanks, Rich, for the tip.

Who DID the research?

Walt



Re: Not worth the expense? (Archive in Probiotics.)

Posted by Rich on January 20, 2001 at 12:19:07:

In Reply to: Re: Not worth the expense? (Archive in Probiotics.) posted by Walt Stoll on January 20, 2001 at 08:08:57:

That's a good question. I had a hard time finding the info I read but here it is. It is called "Alternative medicine Protocols. It can be found in most Barnes N Noble in the magazine section (health). It is thick and has a white cover. There are lots of interesting treatment protocols and results of the protocols in their clinical setting. I have seen research for products Like Ultra Clear Sustain with great results, metabolic detoxification and probiotics. There are plenty more. I just read the ones that interested me. I stopped "shopping off the shelf" when I finally came to the realization that I was not helping myself and taking products that I necessarily didn't need. Now, I only use products have been proven succesful Like Culturelle, SeaCure, TransferFactors, Similase, and Primal Defense. There are a few more products I am doing research (like Nanodetox factors that remove havy metals, Perfect food which is the first green food supplement to contain HSO's and the only green food supplement that has the "whole food" intact with all its enzymes and phytochemical. They are promising) on but so far all I have are anectodal reports. However, some are quite promising.

Rich

p.s. I know I have other clinical papers on those 2 products. When I find them, I will report them.



Re: True allergy!!!!!!!!!! - Rich

Posted by kmd on January 20, 2001 at 16:18:48:

In Reply to: True allergy!!!!!!!!!! posted by Rich on January 20, 2001 at 01:20:19:

Thanks for the explanation on the broccoli and cauliflower issue - makes sense. Since these are the only 2 foods which appear to affect me, I would assume my digestion is working quite well, or, that I am only in the beginning stages of digestive problems (as I don't think I had this problem with these foods 5 years ago.)

As far as NAET, I have heard of this, on this board actually. At this point, I'm not going to go through it with him but it is good to know of it as a possible option in the future. Not that I don't believe in it, but I do feel we have LGS and C-RS to conquer with my son first, and I would like to see how things come together with that. We've done VERY well with our avoidance procedures of peanuts, and have had NO accidental exposures in years (knock on wood real real hard).



Good idea!!!!

Posted by Rich on January 20, 2001 at 17:25:59:

In Reply to: Re: True allergy!!!!!!!!!! - Rich posted by kmd on January 20, 2001 at 16:18:48:

i think that is a good idea. If there are any other food sensitivity issues, they will get better as the leaky gut and C-RC gets better. I had both of these and I erradicated both through natural means. My health has skyrocketed since. You are doing the right things and the best you can do. Take care.

Rich



Re: don;t worry!

Posted by B on January 22, 2001 at 08:26:02:

In Reply to: don;t worry! posted by Rich on January 18, 2001 at 11:09:16:

Hi Rich
Started taking NOW's quercetin/bromelain as well as powdered l glutamine and powdered Ester C before meals...will keep you posted. I've gone from feeling pretty good to pretty bad since I started the Aqua Flora but I feel like I need to give it a little more chance than the 10 days I've been on it....hoping its only A LOT of die off!
Regarding cultured foods, like yogurt and kefir....the sugar content of most health-food brand plain yogurts is around 15 mg sugar/serv. That feels like a lot for someone with candida. What specifically do I need to look for in yogurt and what is kefir? Also, how do you culture your foods? I'm starving!!
Thanks again
B



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