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Posted by
bill on January 27, 2001 at 01:37:04:

Dear Dr. Stoll I have been searching your BB for months and also purchased your book but still have a few questions.
could you please answer them for me.

i have had 3 comprehensive digestive stool analysis tests at great expence from great smokies lab and each time my lactobacillis is at a 0 reading and a bacterial dybiosis index is at 15 witch is a severe reading ,they also say i have a yeast over growth.i sufer
from constpation and very small stool.i have been taking probiotics in great numbers and am on dr. crooks diet for yeast over growth. i am a 35yr. old male.i also practice SR as my much as posible.is there a better way to grow lactobilius in my gut and what about my severe reading on my bacterial dysbiosis index and i do take FOS. thank you for all your help.
sinscerly, bill.



Re: Probiotic problems

Posted by Rich on January 27, 2001 at 11:15:10:

In Reply to: Probiotic problems posted by bill on January 27, 2001 at 01:37:04:

I am writing you because I suffered the exact same thing. I too had the CDSA from Great Smokies.

The probiotic you are using is not working. You would need to use a human strain probiotic with transient probiotics like Soil-based organisms.

Human strain probiotics like Lactobacillius G.G colonize the intestinal tract better than most. L.G.G does not need to be refridgerated, it is heat stable, light stable, and survives extremes in Ph. The soil organsisms would be better for you right now being that they colonize regardless of how bad a yeast overgrowth you have. L.G.G would be added later.

You see, with an overgrowth as bad as yours, you will not be able to colonize any bacteria (except for SBO's). The anti-yeast diet is not enough to counteract this. You need to be on anti-fungals (herbal is prefered over prescription) and some type of fiber supplement. A good website to read about candida problems is www.health-truth.com. I eliminated my candida using his protocol. It works.

Once you have the canddia down to lower levels, you can start to add probiotics to your diet. Here a few that are proven to colonize: Culturelle (L.G.G), Nature's biotics or Primal Defense (Soil-based organisms), Ultra Flora from Metagenics. These are the best in my opinion. The doctor who treated me has independently tested many probiotics and these routinely showed the live organisms in numbers required to colonize.

Right now, I would find myself a good naturopath who is nutritionally-oriented who can monitor your progress. Concentrate on the diet, antifungals, getting more fiber from food and supplement, and SR.

Rich



Forgot to add..............

Posted by Rich on January 27, 2001 at 11:33:39:

In Reply to: Re: Probiotic problems posted by Rich on January 27, 2001 at 11:15:10:

Stop taking FOS. It will feed yeast. wait until it is under control. FOS feeds both beneifical and bad bacteria. Since you mostly have bad bacteria, that is what will be fed. You will get better quicker if you stop it for now

Rich



Probiotic problems #2

Posted by bill on January 27, 2001 at 12:21:49:

In Reply to: Forgot to add.............. posted by Rich on January 27, 2001 at 11:33:39:

Thanks Rich for your reply but where do i find these types of probiotics.I have spent a lot of money on this problem of mine.
bill



Re: Probiotic problems

Posted by
Bob on January 28, 2001 at 16:27:55:

In Reply to: Re: Probiotic problems posted by Rich on January 27, 2001 at 11:15:10:

Rich
Thanks for posting the website on candida from health truth. Did you follow the multi step program they offer. If yes, did you do it mail order or did you visit them in NYC. And do you recommend their program



Re: Probiotic problems

Posted by Rich on January 28, 2001 at 16:38:59:

In Reply to: Re: Probiotic problems posted by Bob on January 28, 2001 at 16:27:55:

I visit them in NYC. I am on the end of phase 2. My digestion is better, the candida is all but gone and my energy is higher than it's ever been. The spaciness and heart palpitations are gone. I think it's safe to assume that he is really good. I highly recommend him.

Rich Gonci



Re: Probiotic problems #2

Posted by Rich on January 28, 2001 at 16:43:10:

In Reply to: Probiotic problems #2 posted by bill on January 27, 2001 at 12:21:49:

Just do a search for each product on the internet. you will find plenty of resources. Primal defense can be found at www.crohns.net. That is the most important one. I know you must have spent a lot. So did I until I wised up and did some research. It's very easy to either be fooled or to be mistakenly led into believing that something is going to help. Sometimes it will help, but only at the right time. It is pointless to take probiotics when the yeast is out of control. Take anti-fungals. When the yeast is low enough, the probiotics will take over the rest of the yeast. What you are trying to do, is pit 1 platoon of infantry against the Entire Roman Empire!! This is a no win situation. Bomb the crap out of them first. Get their numbers down. Then, send in the troops. The only exception is Primal Defense. It is so powerful that it will help reduce the yeast from the start.

Rich



Re: Probiotic problems (Not. Problems with SR.) (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 29, 2001 at 08:14:27:

In Reply to: Probiotic problems posted by bill on January 27, 2001 at 01:37:04:

Hi, Bill.

Your experience is exactly why I always try to get any individual to learn exactly what they are dealing with. SR will not resolve your dysbiosis with less than twice a day of biofeedback certified SR. You are experiencing just what I am talking about when less is done.

Even with the appropriate SR, it will be about a year before you can expect your other treatments to do a permanent resolution of the problems. In the meantime, the only reason for doing them is that, in some people, it can help symptoms while the SR is doing it's job.

Hope this helps.

Walt




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