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Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

I have begun using a rebounder to strengthen my spine, i have osteoporosis. I used to have mild back pain in my mid and upper back now and then, but since I've been using the rebounder my back has become extremely sore. I was only jogging gently on it, but now even that hurts too much. Is this a normal start to rebounding, should I gently persist or give it up?

Also, Dr Stoll please give me a third opinion. My doctor thinks I don't need to take anti-osteoporosis drugs, just to take calcium (I found the hydroxyapatite, its very expensive so I'm taking some of that and some calcium citrate, even though both doctors tell me calcium carbonate is fine, I'm not convinced it is.) And the specialist thinks I need the drugs as well. I don't know what to do, I read on the net that the drugs make your bones denser, but not neccessarily stronger? and I'm worried about side effects. Please tell me what you think.



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Raisa on August 10, 2001 at 08:59:15:

In Reply to: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

Hi, Ella - Dr. Stoll answers posts after 48 hours, so I decided to tell you my experience with rebounding (again?)
and with Fosamax.
No, my back did not hurt at all when I did either gentle rebounding or jumping jacks, etc. Only my varicose veins bothered my when I jumped a lot.If it bothers your back, you surely should stop using it at least for now. How long were you staying on it at one time? I started out with just a minute or 2 at first and did it several times a day.
But you definitely should stop using it. If I can find any more information about it, I will tell you so that you can try to figure out why this is happening. Perhaps this is not the best exercise for you at this time.
On your bone density test, did they say how many crushed vertabrae you have?
I have taken Fosamax for 3 years. It has been proven to strenthen bones. However, many people cannot take it.
My Osteoporosis is so severe, even though I have never broken a bone,(but I do have crushed vertabrae) that the doctor also prescribed Evista to take with the Fosamax.
Are you taking Estrogen? I'm not, and that's why they prescribed the Evista. I am aware that no tests have been done to see whether the two drugs can safely be taken together, but I have chosen to take the chance. I am much older than you (didn't you say you are in your 20's?).
Which your doctors do you trust the most? Have you thought of getting another specialist's opinion? My endocronologist was the one who suggested taking both drugs.
Also, there is a new drug called "Forteo" which is going to be approved at the end of the year. This drug is supposed to actually build bone. Raisa



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Terri-Lynn on August 10, 2001 at 10:44:02:

In Reply to: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

Stop do not JOG on it, Put your feet Flat, and move with a gradual motion, not picking the feet up; The trampoline will move with you moving gradual, and create a good lympthatic workout even moving slow, feet flat. Now i use it all the time and i also recommend it, to most of my clients and i tell them to add breath to it, bounce gradually and blow out there mouth every other bounce or so and it will clear the toxoins out; If you get lite headed slow down the breathing or sit on the rebounder and bounce and blow, especailly if you sense more toxins comming out; It is a powerful tool, but has to be used more carefully with some people; It is better to use it then throw it away; Do you know you can sit on a chair and put your feet on it and have someone else jump and get a good workout also or sit on the trampoline and have someone else bounce gradually and you will get one that way; Powerful tool!



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 10:55:24:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Terri-Lynn on August 10, 2001 at 10:44:02:

how could one prove that blowing out while rebounding was
releasing toxins ??

VF



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Joanie on August 10, 2001 at 10:59:30:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 10:55:24:

Try lighting a match! :o)

Sorry....couldn't resist.



I lit a match

Posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 12:10:18:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Joanie on August 10, 2001 at 10:59:30:


And ???



Re: I lit a match

Posted by Joanie on August 10, 2001 at 14:40:38:

In Reply to: I lit a match posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 12:10:18:

I was maybe expecting fire like a fire-breathing dragon. (grin) Sorry...bad joke. I'm feeling a little punchy today. Please excuse me.

Namaste`

Joanie



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Terri-Lynn on August 10, 2001 at 17:38:32:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 10:55:24:

I have worked with trampolines for a long time in our work and i also do breath work with people and i can tell you from many expierences that it works; If someone is getting a cold or flu like symptoms ect. or has picked up small amounts of general enviromental toxins they can do it, breath out and an up and down movement and feel 100% better many times; I've used them in workshops and you can feel the vibrational energy it produces in the whole room and how everyone feels better just with 2 people bouncing on it cleaning out, so the energy is catching-ha! Now something that is very good is to also rub your chest sometimes when bouncing and lousen things up a bit; If a person gets a pain when on it and they are bouncing very lightly they can push into the pain a little and hold it and blow and it will get better quit often; At our ranch we have detoxed many people with the assistence of a trampoline; Proof-is by expierence all over the world; We even made one in Russia while we were there working, because they did not have any and we wnated people to get into that up and own motion to clean out there body some; Inner Tube and boards-ha! Oh we have it easyier here in the US.;Now one should always use there intuition, but try it you might like it-ha!Vibrational and energy medicine is talked about and this is a great tool to move into it for many; Our web-www.wellbeingranch.org



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Terri-L on August 10, 2001 at 17:52:38:

In Reply to: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

One more time, you can sit on the trampoline or put your feet on it while someone else does the bouncing and it does a lot to move the energy thru the body; Follow your own guidence, sometimes we have seen the movement work pain out if taken easy;
Dragon; Funny-Fire and Breath- works our elements are important-ha!
Toxins; Story; One time i had sprayed some posion on some ants and [was at our health ranch] and i got so sick with the toxins could barley move; They put me on the trampoline and held on to me [behind me] and bounced and rubed my chest [lymph] and had me blow out hard, you could smell the stuff comming out, after 15 mnin. i was a new person; One example of how breath is powerful;

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Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 19:51:31:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Terri-Lynn on August 10, 2001 at 17:38:32:

I have a trampoline and use it but never noticed much
except geting my heart rate up and maybe reducing shortness
of breath but I have taken other things that are supposed to do
do that.

VF

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Re: I lit a match

Posted by Vince F on August 10, 2001 at 19:59:52:

In Reply to: Re: I lit a match posted by Joanie on August 10, 2001 at 14:40:38:

My mustash caught fire. I don't know if that means anything
or that i am dehydrated.

VF

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To Raisa

Posted by Ella on August 11, 2001 at 03:03:44:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Raisa on August 10, 2001 at 08:59:15:

Thanks Raisa. I think I probably over did it. I was jumping or jogging for 30 minutes to 1 hour at a time. Yes I'm 21, so I should have plenty of estrogen. I'm still waiting for the results of my blood tests to see if there is any known cause for my osteoporosis.

Has the fosamax given you any unpleasant side-effects? And has your bone density increased since you have been using it? Do you still get pain from your vertebral fractures, and have they caused your back to hunch at all?

:0)Ella



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Ella on August 11, 2001 at 03:08:29:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Terri-Lynn on August 10, 2001 at 10:44:02:

OK, I'll try like that, for short periods at a time. Will this still strengthen my bones? I haven't had any dizziness from the rebounding, but I have had headaches and felt a bit irritable since I started. Could this be due to toxins? I was using it for 30 minutes to 1 hour each day because I wanted to improve my fitness as well.



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Raisa on August 11, 2001 at 09:18:35:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 11, 2001 at 03:08:29:

Hi, Ella - There is a very good book called "Strong Women, Strong Bones" by Miriam Nelson, which I think would help you a lot. It is all about Osteoporosis and exercises to help strengthen bones. Miriam Nelson also has a column in Prevention Magazine. If you go to their website, www.prevention.com you can learn much more. I have the book, and it is available at Barnes & Noble and other book stores. It talks about diet, drugs (pros and cons), has letters from women who suffer from Osteoporosis and is well worth reading. The exercises are very easy and safe. Raisa

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Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by Terri-Lynn on August 11, 2001 at 09:35:52:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 11, 2001 at 03:08:29:

Ella; We have found that if you take it easyier and less aomunt of time on the trampoline and add breath to it, it does more then 30 min. of fast vigouris movement; Usually it takes 10-15 min. 2x a day to realease the thought patterns picked up from our enviroment and chemicals were exposed to; Yes, headaches can happen and then we would tell you to go slower or sit on it and blow and rub you neck or head or chest, the lympthatics that feel plugged up; Now you can add affirmations, of who you really are at the same time, positive thoughts; This is powerfull; Blow and run and yes, it will move a fire thru the body-ha! Electric anyway; Stay with it until you feel better; Make sure after words to drink plenty of water;

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Re: To Raisa

Posted by Raisa on August 11, 2001 at 09:39:06:

In Reply to: To Raisa posted by Ella on August 11, 2001 at 03:03:44:

Hi again, Ella - I missed your post to me and just saw it.
I did as you did with the trampoline when I first got it, and I over-did it just as I believe you have done.
Then I started just gently bouncing and for a short time, increasing it every few days. Now I bounce for 15-20 minutes each day (well, I AIM at that but don't always do it!). Are you sure you aren't keeping your back too stiff?
Do you stretch before you get on the trampoline?
Please be sure to get the book I mentioned in my other post.
It is the best book I have found on Osteoporosis and is written so well. When I learned that I had Osteoporosis, I
searched the web for weeks to find out all I could about causes, drugs to take (if any), etc. Miriam Nelson mentions Fosamax in the book plus lots of herbs and vitamins.
Yes, I have more bone density in my spine now. It takes about 2 years for it to show on bone density tests. The main thing Fosamax is able to do is keep the density from getting worse. No, I am not hunched, and, in fact, was not aware of the compression fractures as they happened. My back would feel tired and sore if I rode in a car a long time, but that's all. I only had the bone density test because I saw on chest x-ray results that they said that my bones were "de-mineralized". I saw this by accident. This was about the time that the bone density test was becoming popular. I had to ask my doctor for it, or I probably still wouldn't know I had it until I had broken a hip! My mother and aunt had it. Do any of your relatives have it?
I'm surprised that your doctors didn't do tests before this to determine whether something else was causing your Osteoporosis. Typical of the medical profession, I suppose.
Raisa

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Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs?

Posted by
dani on August 11, 2001 at 12:41:38:

In Reply to: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

from my personal experience, i know that rebounding can cause pain in my back because the alignment of my spine is off. so the weight slams down unevenly, causing pain.

rebounding can be super helpful, but first i'd say that it's better to relearn proper, relaxed posture with something like the Alexander technique (www.alexandertechnique.com) or the Feldenkrais method (www.feldenkrais.com)

dani

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Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? (Archive in osteoporosis.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 12, 2001 at 08:45:47:

In Reply to: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

Hi, Ella.

Others have given great advice about the rebounding so I will not comment here.

However, I WILL comment about the intentionally ignorant docs who say that calcium carbonate is as good as anything. To think that they charge for such ignorant advice!

Hydroxyapatite with boron is the only supplement known that will reverse osteoporosis. I am sure that it is less expensive than Fosamax, etc. It has all of the trace minerals and bone building hormones in it that are present in healthy, growing bone--in the exact proportion as in bone.

The prescription drugs do NO better and have many unpleasant side-effects. Many more side effects will be "discovered" in the next 10 years.

Most people tend to overdo any exercise when they start it. They want results NOW. It will take you the rest of your life to get your bone back--no matter what you do. Listen to those who have responded about the rebounder. Seriously consider the Alexander Technique.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? (Archive in osteoporosis.)

Posted by Ella on August 12, 2001 at 09:05:36:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? (Archive in osteoporosis.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 12, 2001 at 08:45:47:

Thanks Doctor Stoll

I'm glad you don't think the drugs are neccessary because I don't like the idea of medication. And I've been given so much great advice here I have plenty to try.




Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? (Archive in osteoporosis.)

Posted by For Ella - Raisa on August 12, 2001 at 13:00:18:

In Reply to: Re: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? (Archive in osteoporosis.) posted by Ella on August 12, 2001 at 09:05:36:

Hi, Ella - I am wondering if you have considered consulting to a Nutritionalist or an Allopathist. It is so rare for someone to have Osteoporosis at your young age that surely it can be reversed, and this kind of doctor could tell you the amounts of the hydroxyapatite to take and go over your diet with you. Raisa

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Femal Athlete Triad

Posted by Vince F on August 12, 2001 at 13:28:54:

In Reply to: Rebounding causing bad back pain, and osteoporosis drugs? posted by Ella on August 10, 2001 at 02:48:55:

Ella,

Don't know if this condition fits you but might be something
to look into.

VF

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