Restless Legs historical posts May 1998

SPINAL SURGERY AND RESTLESS LEGS

Posted by RAMONA KIMMEL on May 07, 1998 at 09:09:30:

DR. STOLL,
PLEASE HELP. I HAD A DISC REMOVED IN APRIL OF'97 AND A PEICE OF VERTEBREA CUT OFF THAT WAS PRESSING ON A NERVE. SINCE THEN, MY LEGS DRIVE ME CRAZY! THEY SEEM NUMB AND TINGLY. I CAN'T KEEP THEM STILL DAY OR NIGHT. I AM NOT GETTING MUCH SLEEP. WHAT CAN I DO? IT SEEMS WHEN I TAKE SOMETHING LIKE ULTRAM OR LORTAB
I SLEEP BETTER. PLEASE E-MAIL ME ASAP.
THANK YOU,
R. KIMMEL


Re: SPINAL SURGERY AND RESTLESS LEGS

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 09, 1998 at 08:57:48:

In Reply to: SPINAL SURGERY AND RESTLESS LEGS posted by RAMONA KIMMEL on May 07, 1998 at 09:09:30:

Dear Ramona,

Both the cause of your "need" for spinal surgery AND your restless legs are caused by the same mechanisms: severe chronic "bracing" of all your muscles due to the hypothalamic signals of fight or flight 24 hours a day AND low intracellular magnesium. Although it would not be a permanent cure, you would get very significant relief by getting a total-body, deep, therapeutic massage 3 times a week for 2 weeks.

If you go that way to get relief, I would appreciate your sharing your experiences with the bb. Others deserve to know that they are being treated very simplistically by the conventional medical monopoly.

These have been discussed many times on this bb over the past few years. Try finding those discussions by using the archives.

If you cannot find them, I would recommend a copy of my book (link on this page) and THEN, if you really want to understand the mechanisms in depth, read one of the references in the back of my book; "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt


Re: SPINAL SURGERY AND RESTLESS LEGS

Posted by Bill on May 12, 1998 at 09:32:31:

In Reply to: Re: SPINAL SURGERY AND RESTLESS LEGS posted by Walt Stoll on May 09, 1998 at 08:57:48:

There are some archived posts on Restless Legs Syndrome that may be interesting to you.

Bill


Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg

Posted by Vicki on May 21, 1998 at 14:19:55:

Dave, just wanted to tell you my husband went for an adjustment two days ago (his first visit to a chiropractor). He was pleased and surprised at how the pain in his back was relieved. The first night after the adjustment, his restless leg symptoms were relieved as well (but began to return the next night). Overall, the experience was so positive for him that he plans to return for another adjustment next week.
Vicki


Re: Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on May 21, 1998 at 18:24:57:

In Reply to: Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg posted by Vicki on May 21, 1998 at 14:19:55:

That's fabulous Vicki! Spinal subluxations cause total body bracing and total body bracing cause subluxations. Tell him to get on the relaxation bandwagon to help his recovery.

We(chiropractors) know that correction of these subluxations results in balanced electromyographic readings(muscle tension) on each side of the spine and will result in a plethera of benefits. This same muscle tension can come from stress and "resubluxate" those same areas resulting in a return of the problem. Stick with the chiropractic care and compliment that with some lifestyle changes.

Happy to hear of his success, and I know his success is your success.


Re: Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 1998 at 11:09:31:

In Reply to: Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg posted by Vicki on May 21, 1998 at 14:19:55:

Dear Vicki,

Doc Dave would be the first to tell you that skilled relaxation is the only thing that will resolve this in the long run. Chiropractic is very helpful (as you have learned) to relieve symptoms in a physiologic way. The question really is: Why is the ajustment only temporary?

Walt



Re: Attn. Dr. Walt. (Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg)

Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on May 25, 1998 at 21:50:07:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg posted by Walt Stoll on May 23, 1998 at 11:09:31:

Unfortunately the answer for why is the adjustment only temporary goes much deeper than just skilled relaxation. As you pointed out in a previous post, total body bracing can be a result of many things that skilled relaxation has little effect on. Additionally, ligament laxity and re-injury are probably the most frequent factor regarding the adjustment not holding. Sleeping habits alone have been shown to precipitate 40% of chronic low back problems.

Another point surrounding this subject that I have been meaning to go into is in regards to how total body bracing can be resolved with chiropractic alone. Biomechanical "distress" results in abnormal muscle contracture.(and vice/versa) We know through pre and post SEMG readings of paraspinal musculature the adjustments alone can completely resolve the imbalance. Obviously there is a cycle between the contracture causing the subluxation and the subluxation causing the contracture. For some people daily stress results in the bracing that results in the subluxation. For many people the subluxations which may have originally started due to trauma, bad posture, etc.. will result in the total body bracing. Thus my perspective on the results Vicki's husband recieved may parallel yours but are not necessarily equal. As you can tell by my post to her I do put emphasis(to say the least) on skilled relaxation but thought I'd take this time to clarify a couple things.

We both know that where there is TBB there is the early building blocks for disease. I think that the mechanism by which the disease occurs may differ. Neural facilitation at the same levels that result in a myospastic response from joint dysfunction is the model by which I see many(certainly not all) disease processes arising. Throughout the history of chiropractic and osteopathic research this mechanism has been supported repeatedly. Of course getting rid of the cause of a problem for, say, 70% never measures up to the allopathic approach which covers the symptoms of the same group at a rate of 99%.

Michael Patterson, Ph.D., Proffesor of Pysiology and Director of Basic Health Sciences in KC, MO. "the role of the somatic dysfunction in bringing about functional disorder is difficlult to overstate. What appears to be a simple somatic or musculoskeletal problem has ramifications far beyond the inability to perform a simple movement..... The ground is laid for disease."

I wish we could find some time to have a sit down and hash over some health care fundamentals, as I'm sure we could both broaden our current perspectives. In fact, the reason I wanted your snail mail address was to get you some research data and other info regarding this whole subject.

Be Well,
Dave


Re: Attn. Dr. Walt. (Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 27, 1998 at 09:08:32:

In Reply to: Re: Attn. Dr. Walt. (Dr. Dave - Chiropractic and Restless Leg) posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on May 25, 1998 at 21:50:07:

Dear Doc Dave,

I cannot disagree with one thing you have in this note.

However, dealing with the underlying engine for the seething morass of the over active hypothalamus, in the long run, will go a long way to preventing recurrence AND assisting the effectiveness of any Chiropractic, Rolfing, etc.

The environment we now live in is so different than the one we evolved in that "normal" living, supported by Chiropractic, etc., will still result in more & more need for professional help. We must do both. How many people will make good choices as to how to balance these approaches without understanding WHY they have the problems & not their neighbor. Of course, it is the genetic expression of their own susceptibility factors and only they can decide how their own balance fits in here.

I look forward to our dialogue. I am reminded that "everyone is smarter than anyone".

Namaste` Walt



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