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To all who are well educated about this subject, please drop a line! This is a very strange question but I am dead serious! I seem to excite men too much sexiouly (maybe visually)- they don't last very long --- last night, my new boyfriend "came" as soon as he entered. He said that it never happened before so didn't know what was wrong with him. He also said that just looking at me can make him come. Actually, this happened many times before and I am eager to know how I can help my partner last longer. Any advice?
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Orally and manually make your boyfriend cum
before intercourse, then have him orally and
manually stimulate you, as he is doing this to you
he will recuperate and be able to obtain another
erection. Now when you are both ready for intercourse
he will last much longer.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
you could try trying not to look attractive. Maybe you
dress too hot.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
I'm more worried about how long you'll last with the variety of partners. If each of them is parking the love muscle in 10 other vagies, do the math. Your internals are storing a varied selection of other people's bodily fluids. Herpes has great staying power.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Well, I must be really hot too cuz my husband doesn't last long. We've been married 20 years and he still thinks I'm THIS HOT!?? WOW!
(talk about tootin' your own horn) (smirk) LOL
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Well I think it would help to roughly know your age and that of your boyfriends. - - - Young guys can have "control problems" and that may be the source of the problem. You mentioned that this has happened many times before - - perhaps its related to the kind of guys youre choosing to sleep with (age & experience). - - - Now as for exciting men too much, I don't see that as a problem with you - - but with these particular guys. Let me assure you that men can last much longer than the quick "pop & flop" that you've endured - - - gorgeous woman or not. - - - Best wishes to you. This can be a frustrating source of great disatisfaction & tension in a relationship. - -
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 13, 2002 at 21:24:11:
I am 25 and he is 29. He is kind of shy and I believe he
has slept with about 20 women at the most in his entire
life.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Marcel on June 13, 2002 at 14:26:22:
I don't think it has anything to do with what I wore - as I
was dressed for work and went to his house. No kinky
lingerie.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Carol on June 13, 2002 at 21:04:23:
Since I was posting a message on a public message board
like this, I expected a reply like yours. Like I wrote, I
am seriously looking for good advice and not tooting my own
horn. It's my fault that I didn't put my age - I am 25
years old so the example of you and your husband is of a
different kind, maybe. But thanks anyway.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Worried on June 13, 2002 at 16:55:56:
Thanks for your comment. I always make sure the guy wear a
condom and don't give or receive oral sex from someone I
have not confirmed free of deseases - as you must do/
know...
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Deto on June 13, 2002 at 14:19:52:
Thanks for helpful/ practical advice. Well, he is 29 and
after the first "come", he got excited again and was able
to get an election so we tried one more time. This time he
lasted a bit longer but not long enough to make me come.
And then, after I put on a clothe, he got excited again and
he wanted to try... so we tried again. But never long
enough for me. He told me that I excited him too much that
if he stays with me all night, he will die from getting
hard every 15 minutes. No, it is not a joke. I don't want
him to die from losing too much of him.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 22:35:46:
oh so you think people over 40 don't have sex problems? Yeah, we're too busy scrubbing our false teeth.
LOL..you have a lot to learn.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 22:51:27:
You haven't learned what a "line" is. He's feeding you one. I've heard that one before too.
He is using that as an excuse for not learning some control. Stay away from that kind; they tend to be selfish.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Carol on June 13, 2002 at 23:04:20:
First let me begin by apologizing for my sarcasm. It's just that I can't fathom someone actually thinking this problem stems from their being so beautiful that their partner cannot help it. Sorry, if I have a problem with that kind of conceit or self-centeredness, in my opinion.
The last thing I want is a shouting match over the internet. I'm discontinuing this thread.
I will say one thing as I said in a post on down. Sometimes men will use excuses for not lasting long. I don't know your boyfriend to even know if he's the kind of person who would rather use an excuse than to get help for his problem. As I see it, HE should be the one asking for help on a bulletin board somewhere. Maybe he is. What I'm trying to say is; be sure he's not out for his own pleasure and not even making an effort to prolong yours. You deserve better.
You may think I'm over the hill. But I speak from experience and that counts as so does being "experienced". At 41, I'm still a looker. Am I being conceited?
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 22:17:22:
Well, it's not like youre both teens. At 29 things ought to be under reasonable control. - - - Since you called him your 'new' boyfriend I will assume that you haven't slept together much yet. Perhaps things will settle down a bit when you better know each other's bodies. - - I would say the best thing is to lighten up about it all and not blow things out of proportion. Too much seriousness can ruin things pretty quickly; most men have fragile egos regarding their personal performance.- - In addition, there are sexual exercises that improve one's control and level of sensual awareness (such as PC exercises). Do some research and see what you can come up with. - - On a very down-to-earth and practical level - - - your boyfriend can try getting himself off earlier in the day, before getting together with you - - This will provide a safety valve for some of that sexual energy. All the best - -
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
There is a method that is suppose to help this. I think I saw it explained once by Dr. Ruth or someone like her. It was about training him to last longer. I think it might be called the squeeze method. That is, masturbating until he's just about to have an orgasm and using your hand to squeeze the shaft to stop it. This is suppose to train him to last longer. I never needed to try it, so I don't know if it really works.
Regarding his excuse, it's definitely a line he's feeding you to cover up his embarrasment. When I was 29, I often came quickly, but at that age I could easily keep going, and going, and going...and could have multiple orgasms. At 29 and having been with 20 women, he should have had plenty of experience to overcome this, but maybe he's in need of something like this squeeze method. If it doesn't work, and your're really that beautiful, I wish I could be of...well, further assistance. Sorry, I couldn't help it. Hope this info helps.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Carol on June 13, 2002 at 23:30:24:
. . . what was missed by her was that, like a lot of young women, - - your first response at your boyfriend's potential predicament - - was to point the spotlight at how You may be the cause of the problem. - - - First of all, it may not be a 'problem' at all if you relax and let things work themselves out. Secondly, if there is a problem its your boyfriend's responsibility to take the initiative to address it. (Though you can have fun doing this together.) - - - Again, don't put too much weight on someone threatened by your confidence about your looks & youth. For a laugh, just walk into a room filled with men & middle age women . If a good looking young woman walks in you can actually see the hairs stand on end and the claws come out on the old hags ! - -
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by JJ on June 13, 2002 at 23:58:55:
(LOL) you gyes are all dieing to see her............
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Carol on June 13, 2002 at 23:30:24:
Gee that's kinda funny Carol.
I'm 41, and I still consider myself "young." I don't understand how you can be old @ 40,
It seems obvious the cause of your bitterness, what surprises me is that you and he have
In Reply to: You gyes - How to last longer - male question- posted by :o) on June 14, 2002 at 00:23:51:
Sorry Kim,
You've seen one knock-out super sexy wench, you've seen them all...(variations on a theme)
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Carol on June 13, 2002 at 23:04:20:
Hi Carol,
In Reply to: Old & New posted by Hidden Dragon on June 14, 2002 at 01:01:21:
If you feel old at 40 Carol, maybe if you motivate yourself into an exercise program. It does wonders for your self esteem and health and you will feel younger than ever. Now if only I could take my own advice and get motivated! :(
In Reply to: Not Really posted by ;-) on June 14, 2002 at 01:04:16:
Well, I guess that excludes you Gregory.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 13, 2002 at 21:24:11:
"Pop and flop". Thats hilarious!!!
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 22:40:49:
And exactly how do you confirm that they are free of diseases, Mimi? Also, did you know that regardless of whether the man is wearing a condom or not, you can still contract sexually transmitted diseases, so much for sexual liberation.
The male doesnt have to have any evident signs of an STD such as sores or a rash, but he can still spread it to you. Thats how a friend of mine contracted Herpes. Her boyfriend didnt know he was a carrier, had no outside signs of the disease, but she caught it from him. That was how he found out that he had Herpes. Scary! Now she has this for life and has to inform all future sexual partners that she has this disease. She is an upfront person and wouldnt risk anothers health for her own sexual pleasure. Just something for the future to keep in mind, in the heat of passion.
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 22:51:27:
Erm, did you mean to say election! Oh, erection you meant. Silly me! :O)
Bill Clinton to
Bill: "I told you to lick my erection, not wreck my election! " (LOL)
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Circumcized men usually last longer - not to mention fresher as well.
In Reply to: Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases? posted by Sera on June 14, 2002 at 08:22:10:
Thanks for such practical advice. This is a very serious issue and one that's hard to argue because I see your point. What I meant by that was at least with HIV test and the use of condom, you can reduce the risk of getting the deadly ireversable one. Also, it sounds like you are under the impression that I have mutiple partners who also have mutiple partners. Well, in this day and age, it is too dangerous to do such a thing or else you do not care about deseases like you say, isn't it? But by taking the necessary measure, you can reduce the risk, maybe not 100% but it is up to you to be then overly worried, instead of being cautious. What if someone you fell in love with has Herpes? Do you not love him anymore? Since Herpes is for life, what if you have one? Will you give up being with anyone for the rest of your life or tell your boyfriend he has to get it from you and live with it? What you are saying sounded like you cannot have sex with your new boyfriend until he has undergone several tests and you may still be worried about potentially undiscovered desease. I think I'd rather not be paranoid because that's another kind of desease. The point I am making is that we all could use common sense when it comes to something like this...
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Sera on June 14, 2002 at 08:25:52:
Pardon my rather poor spelling but it still made sense even with L... thanks for giving some depth & a new meaning to my rather humorless posting here. 8-) It is funny!
In Reply to: Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases? posted by Mimi on June 14, 2002 at 10:43:36:
Mimi - I agree with you 100%. Of course, you can't be foolish. But to suppose that one would subject a potential partner to a battery of medical tests, as implied by some, - - seems rather unlikely. - - - It seems that these issues are often clouded by hysteria. For example, you might want to check out the book "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS" to see how the media and special interest groups can shape "common knowledge" and drive government policy. - - The fact is, the only way to be 100% sure of reducing all risks . . . is to stop living.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Seems to have worked for Bill.
In Reply to: Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases? posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 14, 2002 at 11:38:24:
Mimi,
Here are the reference links to the whole "Disease Come From Outside The Body/Come From Inside The Body" debate.
EXTREME PLEOMORPHISM AND THE BACTERIAL LIFE CYCLE: A FORGOTTEN CONTROVERSEY
Pleomorphism of Microorganisms and
The first one is tough going, but the second one is a lot easier to digest, although still
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by JJ on June 13, 2002 at 23:58:55:
Oh life is so funny, we answer the sexual one's boy, the board gets full.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Sex before marriage is a sin and you will be punished
God bless you all...
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
no further comment needed!
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Terri-Lynn on June 14, 2002 at 15:45:19:
in human beings - - - the drive to pass our DNA into the future and to live forever on a biological level. Of course some "don't like" that. Some may even try to suppress or deny or redirect the energy of that. But, this only further supports the argument of how central sexuality is to our being.
In Reply to: That is about the tackiest wording I have even seen one us to ask a question! posted by OMG on June 14, 2002 at 16:57:36:
Why don't you and the grammar police kindly bugger off?
In Reply to: Re: How to last longer - male question posted by Jesus on June 14, 2002 at 16:07:01:
Sex before marriage is a sin
sexual abuse by priests is a SIN
In Reply to: God Loves Sex posted by The Lightwalker on June 14, 2002 at 18:23:12:
Gee Lightwalker,
I was just about to ask for your help on this one but you beat me to it - I was hoping for a repeat of the Christians and Lions theme; been laughing about that one all day, Thanks.
In Reply to: Gee, sorry it doesn't meet with your approval Your Execellency! posted by Not MY God on June 14, 2002 at 18:09:16:
and maybe it wouldn't have gotten all these silly replies. Local colleges have biology and anatomy courses for reasonably cheap ;)
In Reply to: Just thought she could have used better terms with her post posted by OMG again on June 14, 2002 at 20:12:08:
First, the course(s) cost money, asking here does not.
Second, if you ask a question, you get an opinion -that of the 'instructor.'
Third, the 'instructor' may not answer your question, and will be annoyed if you ask it twice.
Forth, all these replies are not silly, yours excepted.
Fifth, colleges have inexpensive English courses. Perhaps you will avail yourself of them.
Six, you live in a glass house. Beware the adage associated with such.
In Reply to: Just thought she could have used better terms with her post posted by OMG again on June 14, 2002 at 20:12:08:
Hi OMG,
In Reply to: Now why do I get the feeling you didn't do much thinking at all? posted by The Sentinel on June 15, 2002 at 01:29:40:
It was for her to use proper terms. Thats why she may need the class in anatomy or biology, etc. It wasn't for her to be able to ask her question in class. I don't think the teacher or the students of a class she took would appreciate the "slang" she used to describe her sexual encounters. Your post is dually noted as another silly and ignorant post.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Sex is always such a HOT topic, isnt it!?
Look how wild this thread has become in such a short period of time. We know our priorities, right!? (LOL) Gotta love it!
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
To tell you the truth, I did not expect my simple post asking a simple question would get such great response! The subject got sidetracked as more people joined - some still tried to address my original question: is there a way to resolve premature ejaculation? I know I should have used more technical terms but then thought this was a place your question was the most important and not your vocabularies - a place to obtain information -- for some of you who did not address my question at all but slandered my grammertical errors - I not only have never attended a biology class in the United States, I did not grow up speaking or writing English language. I live in Japan. If you could speak, read and write in Japanese as well as I do in English, you may understand the challenge that I have but... pardon me for getting off the track myself. I am glad to have received some practical advice from people who live on the other side of the planet as a result of posting a question in my imperfect English - FOR FREE : I think it is the beauty of internet!
In Reply to: God Loves Sex posted by The Lightwalker on June 14, 2002 at 18:23:12:
Now i say to those who aren't married and to widows,
In Reply to: God Loves Sex posted by The Lightwalker on June 14, 2002 at 18:23:12:
Yes God loves sex ...IN A MARRIAGE.
In Reply to: Just thought she could have used better terms with her post posted by OMG again on June 14, 2002 at 20:12:08:
The intelect could never have answered these questions alone. Only thise not afraid to jump into having a life;
Do you know that the only thing that separates us on our planet and causes all wars? It is our belief systems and our concepts! Family and it possesions also cause all wars;
In Reply to: Not Really posted by ;-) on June 14, 2002 at 01:04:16:
Actually, she's right. I'm dieing to see her, preferably in the flesh, that is. And personally, I could always see more - don't think I'll ever get to a point where I've "seen them all."
In Reply to: Re: God Loves Sex posted by Jesus on June 15, 2002 at 09:57:35:
Twice daily SR for a year or two would really help you to become less judgemental and self-righteous.
In Reply to: Thank you all for your posts posted by Mimi on June 15, 2002 at 08:57:41:
Your welcome, your beautifulness.
Sex brings all the know-it-alls around.
According to you, too, the uglier we are, the longer our mate lasts. So ugly girls get better sex! I've learned something. Thanks.
In Reply to: You gyes - How to last longer - male question- posted by :o) on June 14, 2002 at 00:23:51:
Everybody can be beautiful over the internet.
Ha, get real. She's probably a frickin' dog.
In Reply to: Re: God Loves Sex posted by Jesus on June 15, 2002 at 09:57:35:
Actually it's better to put out that burning lust with a hose. You know the kind of hose
In Reply to: Thank you all for your posts posted by Mimi on June 15, 2002 at 08:57:41:
Mimi,
In Reply to: God Loves Sex. They more his creations do it, the better HE likes it! posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 13:21:25:
Why do we have to be so damn hateful and sarcastic on here. And all because of some woman who obviously thinks she's God's gift to men. I notice that Dr. Stoll doesn't take part in thread's like this.
I'm guilty myself of being sarcastic, at least I admit it. I would never get on a public bulletin board, though, and insinuate that I'm so damn beautiful, men come too quick. And all of you all who've played directly into this woman's hands, feeding her ego when all some of us are trying to say is she should be a little more humble and realize that her partner is the one who should be seeking help for himself. It's my guess, he doesn't give a damn as long as his own needs are satisfied, or maybe not. How can we know since he's not the one on here telling us that his girlfriend is so damn beautiful he can't control himself. I think the point everyone is missing here is that this is the oldest excuse and "line" in history. She fell for it.
Dr. Stoll, you should delete this useless thread after you tell everyone to look in the archives about premature ejaculation and point them to information on tantric sex. One question, though. Where do we go to learn how to overcome very high opinions of ourselves?
In Reply to: Re: God Loves Sex posted by T on June 15, 2002 at 10:13:35:
I don't do "religion." I do "spiritual education" which is not the same thing at all. But since
OK, In The Beginning there was Adam & Eve.
And Adam & Eve begat two children, sons, Cain & Abel.
With me so far?
Ok so there are all the animals, and trees and 4 people on earth.
Later, Cain & Abel marry and take wives.
Please explain to me where those wives came from. If you can. Chapter & Verse. Thanks.
I bet that little piece of your "religion" didn't make it into the bible did it? Hmmm. Interesting religion you got there.
In Reply to: Re: God Loves Sex. They more his creations do it, the better HE likes it! posted by This thread, useless on June 15, 2002 at 13:50:33:
In Reply to: I guess you people dont understand what the simple statement meant posted by Last post on June 15, 2002 at 03:22:25:
and made all kinds of assumptions about someone else and her circumstances.
In Reply to: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control. posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 13:58:16:
The bible also says that "Whoever curses his father or his mother sall be put to death." Exodus 21:17. Somehow, I think, many Christians read past that one.
In Reply to: Re: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control. posted by JJ on June 15, 2002 at 18:23:37:
HE said he loves you, but wishes you would be less judgemental. HE also said HE'S got
In Reply to: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control. posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 13:58:16:
Since Genesis states Cain and Abel each took wives, we know they existed. By definition, they were descended from Adam and Eve.
The Crusades and the inquisition don't make it into the Bible because the Bible, as we historically know it, was completed around the end of the first century AD. The events you cite, took place many hundreds of years later.
As an example, the US Constitution doesen't reference the Korean war.
In Reply to: Re: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control. posted by Dan on June 15, 2002 at 22:21:15:
"Since Genesis states Cain and Abel each took wives, we know they existed. By definition, they were descended from Adam and Eve."
So, they had sisters, who were lurking about in the bushes, quietly sheathed in burkas, until their brother's (cain and abel), got permission from their parents (adam and eve) to take them. Later on, in order to create the rest of us, cain and abel took their daughters, or their mother (probably unknowingly since they were all by then subservient slaves covered from head to foot), and civilization came to be. I got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
In Reply to: Re: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control. posted by JJ on June 15, 2002 at 22:53:11:
Font color=#F000D0>"...Since Genesis states Cain and Abel each took wives, we know they existed. By definition, they were descended from Adam and Eve"
I want Chapter and Verse. In any event, it is the wrong answer.
If Adam and Eve had begat daughters, their birth would have been as significant as the births
The daughters would have had names.
They would have been "doing some" before wedding their brothers.
The incest paradox would have never have been solved.
Nice try Dan. Next post, I will reveal where the wives came from, and who they were.
Just because the Inquisition and Crusades happened later, does not obviate their link
In Reply to: Thank you all for your posts posted by Mimi on June 15, 2002 at 08:57:41:
Thanks, Mimi.
Your English is better than 90% of our native population!
I wish I knew Japanese just a tiny % as well as you know English!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: God Loves Sex posted by T on June 15, 2002 at 10:13:35:
Hey, T.
Tell it to the Catholic Church!!!!!!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Thank you all for your posts posted by Ugly One on June 15, 2002 at 12:48:03:
Ugly people, ugly mind... How come you have such an ugly way of thinking? It disgusts me. Why does it matter to YOU if people believed that she is really beautiful?
In Reply to: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 00:56:11:
Gregory,
Do you realize my post (the incest response) was a bit sarcastic?
JJ
In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. posted by JJ on June 16, 2002 at 11:15:24:
Got a good laugh out of "The sisters lurking in the bushes." *and*
In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. Yes, Of Course. posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 11:49:02:
Too true about those loose ends, but they love to jump on any loose ends they think they can find in the evolution "story." Only in the bible do they ask for a giant leap in assumptions...er, I mean faith.
In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. Yes, Of Course. posted by JJ on June 16, 2002 at 12:11:43:
In Reply to: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 00:56:11:
"Just because the Inquisition and Crusades happened later, does not obviate their link
Thank you for the intellectual consistency by substituting your opinion for "chapter and verse".
In Reply to: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 15:05:20:
Believing is a choice. People who attempt to prosletyze you to their way of thinking, especially Christian, are quite impassioned about the aspect of saving souls.
A little derision goes a long way, especially regarding the reference to Burqua's, dress of no choice for Taliban women.
Christian dominated societies don't offer the sort of oppression that Muslim societies do.
Isn't it marvelous that you can vent your opinions as you please, in a Christian dominated society?
Salmon Rushdie has been in hiding for years for expressing views less contoversial than you offer here.
Temper your anger, because it flavor's too much of your opinions.
In Reply to: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 15:05:20:
I see you like using my phrase "bible thumper". I'm kinda sorry I mentioned it. ;o)
In Reply to: Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. posted by Dan on June 16, 2002 at 17:20:12:
Try not to obfusicate the topic.
Adam. Eve. Cain. Abel. "the wives."
Minor topic of interest:
Were the Crusades and the Inquisition creations of Christianity or not? C'mon Dan.
In Reply to: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 15:05:20:
Gregory, I have aquestion for you so you do not believe in the Bible do you believe ther is a God or his son Jesus? I was just wondering not trying to be sarcastic, Exactly what do you believe in? Just curious, shortened of course. And I don't believe I try to push my beliefs down peoples throat. I do like a good debate though. Not where people get mad just a good debate,and where people don't get their feelings hurt, It is what makes people stronger it builds their personality, If everybody agreed on the same thing what miserable people we would be.I would like to know about the first question though, If you can find it in yourself to answer me. Thanks I hope I have not made you upset. I am not doing this for everbody to jump on Gregory so please restrain yourselves I am not trying to make this a issue. I have a lot of respect for Gregory he has helped me in times past I would like to remain a friend. And keep peace on this bulletin board.
Charity
In Reply to: Re: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound posted by Dan on June 16, 2002 at 17:36:49:
You cannot address this issue with logic or even common sense, and so, one must "believe."
In Reply to: Gregory: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound posted by Kim on June 16, 2002 at 20:07:58:
In Reply to: Gregory posted by Charity on June 16, 2002 at 23:36:44:
OK, I am assuming that by belief "in A God" you are referring to God as defined
In Reply to: Charity posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 00:15:13:
How do you think Jesus failed in his task?
In Reply to: Gregory - posted by Kim on June 17, 2002 at 00:36:40:
Well first of all, what do YOU think was Jesus mission on earth, than why do you think he failed?
In Reply to: I Should Have Known You Would Fall Back On "Belief" posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 23:37:57:
"Faith is the substance of things not seen, the evidence yet hoped for".
I have faith, according to your belief system, you also have faith. In matters of faith, it is better that one's intellect should falter.
You state a definite opposition to Christian doctrine,ok.
That bluff, if ultimately it proves to be one, will be called.
In Reply to: Re: I Should Have Known You Would Fall Back On "Belief" posted by Dan on June 17, 2002 at 12:46:31:
You are leading the discussion all over the place simply because you cannot find the information
In Reply to: Dan, either quote the chapter and verse and stick to the topic or give up. posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 13:34:33:
Wasn't the topic premature ejaculation?
In Reply to: Dan, either quote the chapter and verse and stick to the topic or give up. posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 13:34:33:
Better you dwell on this subject than wander off into the realm of male sexual stamina. Perhaps, if and when your capacities in this regard are called into question, you can venture something based on experience, as opposed to the theoretical.
Not nice, is it? I will apologize in advance.
I don't know if you are the unoffical omsbudsman of this site or Dr. Stoll's cyber valet, but you present a real inability to rid your dialogue of anger. Some other things you write are lucid, but this may be part of a passive / agressive cliche.
Faith. Let me say again, for those who hold it, does not require clinical proof. I believe, based on faith, that the women Cain and Abel married were part of God's creation. Apparently, you chose to view it as an inconsistency or break in the testimony that impeaches the entire point.
Ok.
I believe in a sovereign and almighty God, who will hold all of us to His judgement, not yours, or mine. Aetheists have a real problem with this aspect of judgement and set out to either deny there is a God, or, as in your case, define Him in ever evolving terms.
Another version of situational ethics. Your God will be defined when He complies with and fits whichever philosophy you may conjure.
A merciful and loving God has given you the right to make even a foolish choice. I may not be happy with the choices you make, but I certainly can live with them and do not seek to impose something upon you.
The choice is yours.
In Reply to: Dan, either quote the chapter and verse and stick to the topic or give up. posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 13:34:33:
for you to hang out here day after day and alienate the people he is trying to help? He is too nice to say it but I'm not. STOP IT! Go somewhere else and spew your venom. This is a health board-GET IT? People come here to get healthy. You're a negative influence.
In Reply to: Stick to the topic??????? posted by ----- on June 17, 2002 at 14:57:34:
:) :) :)
In Reply to: Gregory - posted by Kim on June 17, 2002 at 00:36:40:
#1 His mission was to teach about his father and die for the sins of the world.
In Reply to: Do you think this is what Dr. Stoll Wants..... posted by oserver on June 17, 2002 at 15:12:36:
Maybe You should stop hanging out here and get some spelling lessons. Your grammar is atrocious!
In Reply to: Charity posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 00:15:13:
Gregory,
Thanks Charity
In Reply to: Do you think this is what Dr. Stoll Wants..... posted by oserver on June 17, 2002 at 15:12:36:
-AND-
In Reply to: Re: Gregory - Another question before that one posted by Kim on June 17, 2002 at 00:41:12:
A better example.
You have met people with whom it is difficult to have a conversation with. You struggle to explain
In Reply to: Well, I could always ask him, but posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 20:30:02:
Walt has made it perfectly clear how he feels about "venting". He wishes people would avoid answering posts like yours, then maybe you would lose interest and go away.
In Reply to: Love Is A Higher Vibration posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 21:31:05:
Gregory,
In Reply to: Well, I could always ask him, but posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 20:30:02:
Your mind is quite closed, don't shut the door on your heart.
"The fool hath said in his heart there is no God".
Such anger you exhibit is more likely coming from a world of hurt, than any rational exploration of the existence of God.
By the way, I have not "thumped" the Bible with you, in fact, I have quoted it quite sparingly.
In Reply to: Re: Well, I could always ask him, but posted by Dan on June 17, 2002 at 23:12:21:
I didn't say there was no god, Dan. but if you continue to misquote me, then there is hardly
In Reply to: Re: Well, I could always ask him, but posted by ------ on June 17, 2002 at 22:25:57:
In case we are wimps who need to stay hidden and snipe from the safety of anonimity.
In Reply to: Stick to the topic??????? posted by ----- on June 17, 2002 at 14:57:34:
Oh wait. sorry.
I thought you could read...
Nevermind.
In Reply to: Re: Love posted by Charity---Love on June 17, 2002 at 22:36:42:
Heaven is generally ascribed as being "up" spatially, as is hell being "down."
Love is where you will lay your life down for somebody else...
This is not the only kind of love there is either Charity.
There is all kinds of love. The kind I am speaking of is an overall kind. Like a state of mind.
From your point of view there is a heaven and a hell, in mine there is only heaven. You can
In Reply to: Well, I could always ask him, but posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 20:30:02:
Thanks, Gregory.
One thing for sure, SEX and RELIGION are very popular subjects!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Not all love is romantic love. And not all love is sacrificial either. posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 05:25:58:
No need to lecture Charity about love, Gregory. She understands the concept well and LIVES it. Maybe you could learn something from her.
In Reply to: Re: Not all love is romantic love. And not all love is sacrificial either. posted by ----- on June 18, 2002 at 09:16:25:
She wanted to discuss it so we're discussing it. Too bad if you don't like what I have to say.
And YOU could probably learn something yourself.
In Reply to: Re: Dan, either quote the chapter and verse and stick to the topic or give up. posted by Dan on June 17, 2002 at 14:57:53:
Lightwalking,
In Reply to: I gave my opinion on both. posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 20:24:30:
Well, you're not trying to be funny since your responses lack the key component of wit. You must be a lawyer.
My point, stated again for your benefit, is, that a sovereign God exists, and He will judge you and me.
It's not an endoresment of one's social acceptability when the Jehovah's Witnesses give you a miss. I greet them with something more anathema to them than Wicca, namely, that Jesus Christ is God.
They represent the devil and he is not threatened by witchcraft.
You are very hung up on people imposing their will on you, to the point where I think you are projecting a kaleidescope of possibilities.
So far, your only viable argument is the lineage of Cain and Abel's wives. I will admit, this has instigated some research on my part, however, it does not rise to the doubt you would suggest.
Your resistance to accepting God is based purely on your need or wish to define God. A truly absurd proposition.
Don't quote scripture to you, that immediately turns you off? Don't want to be circumscribed by nomenclature?
I wish I had your time and could engage you further. Short term, I plan to stop with the sort of snide repostes you favor. At their center, these are a sign of pain. Pain turns readily to anger.
I'm sorrowful that you feel that way.
But, there is hope. Only the imperishable will enter the kingdom of God. You can become imperishable.
In Reply to: Re: I gave my opinion on both. posted by Dan on June 18, 2002 at 21:03:42:
To wit:
First, Christ is a title, not a name.
It is Jesus "the Christ"
I rather thought a Christian would know that.
Second So far, your only viable argument is the lineage of Cain and Abel's wives. I will admit, this has instigated some research on my part, however, it does not rise to the doubt you would suggest.
Of course it doesn't. You can always fall back on "faith."
As for viability, here we must depart the land of debate and go to something a more pragmatic.
No. I am simply resisting having YOU imposing your will or rather that of Christianity meme
In Reply to: You're So Adamant, It's Really Quite Amusing! posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 01:06:32:
Gregory,
Thanks
In Reply to: Re: Gregory posted by Charity on June 19, 2002 at 10:54:11:
Charity,
I am not going to come down hard on you, but I will hold you to task. Adam, Eve, & their
They were grown men. Evidently, they were heads of heads of households, with wives and children
... said to his wives, "Adah and Zillah, listen to me; wives ... (Gen 4:24 NIV)
So Cain and Abel both had wives. The wives had names.
Cain didn't marry a sister or distant relative. Such would have been recorded. There can be
So by all means, Charity tell where the wives came from.
In Reply to: Charity: Which Sister or Distant Relative? posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 11:34:12:
Gregory,
Ge 4:19 ¶ And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
These two women had nothing to do with Cain and Abel they were not thier wives.Because it does not mention their wives or I should say who they were, that was apparently not the important part. I would think that was not why God had it put in the bible. The true lesson that God wanted to get across here was that Obedience was what he wanted not sacrifice. Not everybody married in the Bible so we will never know if he did or not. We can assume he did we can assume he didn't,either way we don't know for sure. So you assumed he did I assumed he didn't that is just a matter of oppinon that is not important. I believe Adam and Eve had a lot of children and the childrent married and the children of the children married until they all populated the earth. Because they married in the old testament like this all the time. They did not always mention the girls that were born either.
Charity
In Reply to: Re: Charity: Which Sister or Distant Relative? posted by Charity on June 19, 2002 at 12:30:41:
Charity,
Unfortunately Charity, your belief is not the issue.
What I want to know is this: where in the bible does it indicate who the wives of Cain & Abel
In Reply to: I'm sorry Charity -That won't wash posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 13:05:43:
Lets say this WE CAN BOTH AGREE TO DISAGREE on this topic,
Thanks
In Reply to: I'm sorry Charity -That won't wash posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 13:05:43:
Who are you to say that it will not wash? If you want to know so bad, why dont you go out and buy a bible and find it for yourself. Let people believe what they believe and that is including yourself. If you are trying to prove a point with all this bible talk to make yourself seem so smart, it isnt working. I don't think any of us know what the bible really means. We understand it the way we feel. Who is right and who is wrong? One thing I have learned in life is that you can not change any one persons belief. It is absolutely pointless to try. If we all believed the same thing there wouldn't be all this hate that there is in the world. Bin Laden for one. Faith is based on what we feel, not what we read. If you have faith, you know not to question the Lord. Don't try to figure that bible out. For one it has been rewritten for so many years and from so many different languages. One word may be written as dog and it really means cat. All I am saying is this...You can not understand the bible. If you think you have well thats great. I am happy for you. Just stop trying to prove it wrong. It only shows you lack of "faith"
In Reply to: Gregory posted by Charity on June 19, 2002 at 16:20:14:
Charity,
I have never considered you anything other than a friend.
Go in peace.
In Reply to: Wont wash? posted by Amber on June 19, 2002 at 16:28:34:
Uhh, that means your "faith" is based on something you don't understand. It means your faith is based on what other people have told you. I wonder, if you were born in a different place, would you have the same faith, or would it be different, based on who raised you, and whatever religion was dominant in that society? Would you "feel" the same way about the bible then, or would you "feel" the koran was your true moral guide?
In Reply to: Wont wash? posted by Amber on June 19, 2002 at 16:28:34:
Do any of my prior posts say I already know the answer?
Well?
Alright then. Maybe you need to do some reading so that you know what you're talking about. Ok Amber?
In Reply to: Re: Wont wash? posted by JJ on June 19, 2002 at 19:44:54:
"...When You Believe In Things That You Don't Understand And You Suffer/Superstition Is The Word..."
Religion?
-OR-
Superstition?
Maybe no difference at all for some people...
In Reply to: In The Immortal Words Of Stevie Wonder... posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 22:56:15:
You have shown two things. One being you are very ignorant about faith and religion. Two being you have no life. I think its actually pretty funny how you can ask a question and get so mad about the honest answers you get. It is displayed in all of your posts. Like I said before, I have faith. You have a grudge against all of us who have it. It is a blessing to have faith and I can only wish you will get it one of these days. You say you already have it? Nope, you don't or you wouldn't be questioning the bible ;) More power to you Gregory.
In Reply to: Once again posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 01:13:23:
Why are you so threatened by someone else expressing their opinion that is so different to your own? Dont feel bad because your intellligence is not up to the same level.You have to resort to put downs and personal attacks because of your own inadequacies. A sharp tongue does not mean a keen mind, Amber.
In Reply to: Re: Once again posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 01:20:24:
"You have to resort to put downs and personal attacks because of your own inadequacies. A sharp tongue does not mean a keen mind, Amber." Aren't you doing the same thing? Didn't he in his prior post do the same thing? I don't think I have ever laughed so hard. I guess this means I am the one with no life ;). I didn't say anything about pushing my faith on to him. Honestly I could care less about what he believes in or what he doesn't. I was just pointing out the simple fact that faith isn't about what you read. Just trying to speak like he has been doing for days on end now. :)
In Reply to: Once again posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 01:13:23:
Oh poor Amber.
I hurt your wittle fweelings.
Unfortunatly, I am not ignorant of religion. I wish I were because then ignorance (or ignoring)
Not having a life is a null statement. Of have life, one I am reasonalble happy with, one that
So far, with the possible exception of Charity, each of you "Christians" have shown the most
I have not asked any of you to change your beliefs, and only asked that you explain an inconsistency
You certainly can't explain it, and it bothers you to no end that a non-believer knows something
I guess in the long run, and hell, even the short term, you don't really need to question, understand
In Reply to: hmmmmm posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 01:39:40:
In Reply to: Thank God I'm Ignorant About Faith & Religion posted by Gregory on June 20, 2002 at 03:00:11:
you are wrong. I have a bible that my grandmother gave me when I was 6 years old and I have read very little of it. I do not proclaim to be a person that knows the bible, because I don't. You think I agree with everything that is in it and I don't. I have yet to make a statement of christianity in any of my posts, yet you tell me ..."each of you "Christians" have shown the most un-Christianlike behavior". All I said was what I know about faith. You are more then welcome to keep the mean and hateful comments coming, for I have not made one. All I did was look at all your posts and make an evaluation about you. Didn't we do the same thing? I don't know you as a person, and from your posts I don't believe I would ever want to. I really hope you don't think I would want you to be miserable?????? I mean come on, that is just crazy. You also say...."You certainly can't explain it, and it bothers you to no end that a non-believer knows something that you don't. I don't need to rely on "faith." I have a working brain, and know how to use it". What is that all about? I don't need, unlike you, to have anything about the bible explained to me. I don't care what it says or what it represents. What my faith is is what I feel in my heart. I have a brain to know what is right and what is wrong, I have a heart to feel for people and try to help them. I have a body to do whatever I so desire. I don't need a book to give me any of that. I am sorry that you feel you hurt my feelings, but to your disappointment, you didn't. I hope nobody here would ever take what anyone said to heart. Then you proceed to make a statement like this.... "It is in YOUR bible, but you can't explain it to me. I didn't produce some weird, obscure text and say "here. explain this." But none of the devout, the faithful, the True Believers could explain it." Yes I am a TRUE BELIEVER! I am proud of it, but not like you think. Once again, you tried to play the "I know you" game and failed. This one is the only true statement you have made about me so far..."I guess in the long run, and hell, even the short term, you don't really need to question, understand or even read the bible. Afterall, you have "faith." You got one right! Good job :) All I was doing by posting was trying to tell you it was old already! Everything someone said you had to reply with some "intelligent" statement. It is just annoying. Maybe I did judge you wrong. I am sorry if I did. I think if you go back and read some of the things you said, you will see how someone could make that mistake. Maybe you did the same about me. I have a tendancy to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but I can't help but think I have the right since you did the same thing. Despite what you think, I will say this and I truely mean it. I only wish you the best Gregory and hope that you do have a wonderful and happy life. Just try not to be so critical about other people and their religion. We all think differently and we all need to accept that.
In Reply to: hmmmmm. keep trying. but don't burn out your brainpan. you aren't up to it. nmi posted by Gregory on June 20, 2002 at 03:05:05:
I guess I did burn one out cause I have no clue as to where that one came from ehheehe ;)
In Reply to: If you think you have evaluated me correctly posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 04:08:21:
In Reply to: hmmmmm posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 01:39:40:
"I guess this means I am the one with no life". :)You said it Amber, I didnt.
In Reply to: If you think you have evaluated me correctly posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 04:08:21:
"Everything someone said you reply to with some "intelligent" statement. Its annoying".
Why is that annoying,Amber??? You are truly threatened by intelligence. Here it is in writing.
In Reply to: Charity: Which Sister or Distant Relative? posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 11:34:12:
Goodness! Gregory, Charity, et al.
Even Gandhi had a comment about this:
"There is no religion in heaven. Thank God!"
Namaste` to you all,
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Amber, you did it again posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 06:03:13:
It was in " " for a reason. LOL
In Reply to: Re: Amber, you did it again posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 06:03:13:
Your avoidance tactics arent working well, Amber. Cant answer a simple question I see. Must be that "intelligence" of yours again. LOL
In Reply to: Duh posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 15:43:20:
In Reply to: How to last longer - male question posted by Mimi on June 13, 2002 at 13:04:51:
Hi there,
IF you know a cure for the subject, please let me know! I am not joking!
In Reply to: Premature ejaculation posted by MIMI on June 25, 2002 at 10:35:51:
Hello again Mimi.
I am providing the links that I think will benefit you & he the most. Let me (and the board)
How to Easily Overcome Premature Ejaculation
Introduction to ejaculation control
In Reply to: Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure posted by Gregory on June 25, 2002 at 11:30:51:
Perfect, Gregory!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (Archive in sex.) posted by Walt Stoll on June 26, 2002 at 08:18:59:
Dr. Stoll, I clicked on the links that Greg provided with but didn't work. I think this is a technical issue. Could you please help me?
In Reply to: Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (Archive in sex.) posted by Mimi on June 26, 2002 at 11:52:58:
They all worked for me. Must be an issue with your own computer. Maybe you were offline at the time you tried to click them? Try typing the address into the address bar instead of clicking.
In Reply to: Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (Archive in sex.) posted by Mimi on June 26, 2002 at 11:52:58:
Mimi,
drop me a line with your email address, and I will send the pages to you direct.
In Reply to: Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (For Mimi) posted by Gregory on June 26, 2002 at 14:06:22:
You dog
In Reply to: Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (For Mimi) posted by Gregory on June 26, 2002 at 14:06:22:
Dear Gregory,
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Re: How to last longer - male question
Posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 13, 2002 at 23:53:50:
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Re: How to last longer - male question
Posted by JJ on June 13, 2002 at 23:58:55:
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Mimi - beware of catty bitter old women . . .
Posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 14, 2002 at 00:02:57:
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You gyes - How to last longer - male question-
Posted by :o) on June 14, 2002 at 00:23:51:
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Old & New
Posted by Hidden Dragon on June 14, 2002 at 01:01:21:
and I, a year older than you, are still young. There must be another tear in the space-time
continuium or else you and your husband (equally young-old) have been hot-rodding around in the
Sedan DeVille with the cruise control set to warp 9.5.
failed to do anything about for going on 20 years. Maybe with Mimi vocalizing her distress, it
will give you the incentive to take care of a problem long in the making, and long overdue for a solution.
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Not Really
Posted by ;-) on June 14, 2002 at 01:04:16:
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to Carol - How to last longer - male question
Posted by a thought on June 14, 2002 at 01:08:16:
What else is eating at you Carol, I didn't get that at all from Mimi. I didn't think she was insinuating you were old at all. ARE you feeling old? Mimi is just being honest, maybie not tooting her own horn at all. I guess when you read these posts, it really depends on what kind of mood your in, as how it will hit you.
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Posted by Crouching Tiger on June 14, 2002 at 02:55:14:
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Posted by :o) on June 14, 2002 at 07:42:40:
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Re: How to last longer - male question
Posted by Amused on June 14, 2002 at 08:14:21:
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Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases?
Posted by Sera on June 14, 2002 at 08:22:10:
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Posted by Sera on June 14, 2002 at 08:25:52:
Monica Lewinsky:
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Make sure they're circumcized
Posted by Ophelia on June 14, 2002 at 10:06:58:
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Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases?
Posted by Mimi on June 14, 2002 at 10:43:36:
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Posted by Mimi on June 14, 2002 at 10:50:19:
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Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases?
Posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 14, 2002 at 11:38:24:
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Make yourself up like Hillary Clinton . . . that oughta turn him off !
Posted by James on June 14, 2002 at 11:43:39:
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Re: Mimi, how do you confirm they are free of diseases? And...
Posted by Gregory on June 14, 2002 at 15:38:56:
Rather than contribute to the hysteria & paranoia that seems to be surrounding this topic,
I'd like to acquaint you with two radical yet practical items. The first is this used
with a condom. Boom. End of transmission worries. The second is from a board regular who
posts under nick "R." R. has introduced the board to the concept of disease not as something
that "happens to you from outside causes" but from inside your body, as a result of internal
changes in your body state. At first this was hard for me to get my mind around, especially
after years of indoctrination by doctors. However the logic of it is inescapable. This puts
the burden of "recovery" or wellness squarely on you (where is should have been all along) and
in a sense, takes away power from the "doctor." Overall it is the health of your immunue system
that determines what disease you will "get." I am not sure where you live, but if it is in even
a modest urban area, you have to know that you are exposed to hundreds of thousands of germs all
the time, and you haven't dropped dead from sheer overload.
On a closer MindBody perspective, you
might keep in mind that your partners, energetically/vibrationally speaking,
are more or less at the same level as you. This is a good reason not to, uh, "lower yourself"
sexually speaking, for the "thrill of it."
What will occur is that your rate of vibration will slow down some and you will be more
susceptible to whatever he has. This probably sounds like spiritual elite-ism, but it isn't.
I have seen it in action myself, and even have seen it operate 1st-hand. It works both ways
of course, and you can sort of "level up" with the right person (which incidentally makes the
sex extremely good, effortless, and with a distinct reduction of the kinds
of problems you are currently facing).
Anyway, this is more something to keep in the back of your mind rather than a pragmatic
gameplan for your sex life.
Theories of Infectious Disease
on the technical side. The best thing I can suggest is to keep a level head, and do not give
in to paranoia and hysteria. If you do, you will find out that 99% of everything is fatal and
you can die just by living. ;-)
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Posted by Terri-Lynn on June 14, 2002 at 15:45:19:
I'll have to add my two cents. I've expierenced with some of my past boyfriends this and we together discovered several factors. If the guy feels a little insecure about himself or feels a little threatened by you or intimidated, it can happen easy; Youth has something to do with it for sure and i like the comments others have said; Dr. Ruth is right, you can go to the Tantra web site Spirtual sexuality in Tantra and get some of those clues there also or pick a book up on Tantra.
The breath in and out the mouth with deep breathing helps also moving the oxygen up from it building up down below and there are things a woman can assist her guy with her also, by calming down and totally relaxing at the right time and it eases things up and then using breath also, breathing in and holding right at that moment; Anyway it is hard to explain all of it here-;There are even video's on spiritual sexuality in a scared way, after all it is a beautiful unfoldment when hearts meet especially; Glad you care enough to make it pleasurable for both;
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Posted by Jesus on June 14, 2002 at 16:07:01:
at some point in your life.
Pick up a bible and read it.
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That is about the tackiest wording I have even seen one us to ask a question!
Posted by OMG on June 14, 2002 at 16:57:36:
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Of course the board fills, - - sex is The primary driving force . . .
Posted by TigerTigerBurningBright on June 14, 2002 at 17:08:19:
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Gee, sorry it doesn't meet with your approval Your Execellency!
Posted by Not MY God on June 14, 2002 at 18:09:16:
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God Loves Sex
Posted by The Lightwalker on June 14, 2002 at 18:23:12:
No, it isn't.
God will bless me whether I have sex in or out of marriage. True spirituality has nothing
to do with fearing God and everything to do with living from a loving, centered place.
The Lightwalker
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Posted by JJ on June 14, 2002 at 18:46:35:
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Just thought she could have used better terms with her post
Posted by OMG again on June 14, 2002 at 20:12:08:
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Now why do I get the feeling you didn't do much thinking at all?
Posted by The Sentinel on June 15, 2002 at 01:29:40:
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to OMG - Just thought she could have used better terms with her post
Posted by Kim on June 15, 2002 at 02:33:23:
The BB is an informal place to post any kind of question. Questions that you might be afraid or embarassed to ask anywhere else. And being that it is informal, why worry about formality of grammar, or how it looks, or etc. The most important thing is the question of the poster. Its interesting to see what kind of discussion develops from one post.
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I guess you people dont understand what the simple statement meant
Posted by Last post on June 15, 2002 at 03:22:25:
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Posted by Sensual on June 15, 2002 at 05:20:52:
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Thank you all for your posts
Posted by Mimi on June 15, 2002 at 08:57:41:
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Re: God Loves Sex
Posted by Jesus on June 15, 2002 at 09:57:35:
it's better to stay unmarried, just as i am. But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry.
It's better to marry than to burn with lust.
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Posted by T on June 15, 2002 at 10:13:35:
read the bible and get right with God.
Lighwalker..haha what a joke.
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Re: Just thought she could have used better terms with her post
Posted by Terri-Lynn on June 15, 2002 at 10:19:03:
Some of us judge and fear so much and never enter the living waters, of even just the part of life itself;
I want my ways and my belief and mine our right! All inherited division. When do we think we can every work as one unit and what needs to stop?
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Re: Not Really
Posted by JJ on June 15, 2002 at 10:28:11:
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Re: God Loves Sex
Posted by JJ on June 15, 2002 at 10:59:19:
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Re: Thank you all for your posts
Posted by Ugly One on June 15, 2002 at 12:48:03:
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Re: You gyes - How to last longer - male question-
Posted by dog on June 15, 2002 at 13:01:26:
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God Loves Sex. They more his creations do it, the better HE likes it!
Posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 13:21:25:
I'm refering to, yes? Your DAD knows. He invented mine. Installed the lust software" too.
Your DAD. What a guy! I totally get behind the "go forth and multiply" mission statement.
Distribution was something of a problem with the tablets your buddy Moses carried down,
but your DAD really is A+ with the Special Effects. Tell DAD I said "Hi" or better yet,
I'll tell him. Oh and careful with all that bible thumping "Je." You could hurt yourself. Can I call you Je?
That "Son Of God, The Christ" doesn't really roll off the tongue. Kinda hard to have a
decent conversation. Besides, down here everyone one has a nickname. So Je, you gotta
lighten up. The tribes made it out but the priests and the archdiocese have gone to hell
in a handbasket. You should book yourself on Oprah or 20/20 and set the record straight.
I know your fans are looking forward to some sort of "official" word on this. Thanks Je.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Glad We "Other Siders" Could help Mimi.
Posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 13:48:07:
Your English is impressive considering it is not your native tongue. Since you have been
surfing for a while, you already know you will meet trolls and ogres wherever you park your
surfboard. Try not to feed them (impossible, I know. They lurk everywhere!) and come away
with that which you sought initially: information.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: God Loves Sex. They more his creations do it, the better HE likes it!
Posted by This thread, useless on June 15, 2002 at 13:50:33:
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A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control.
Posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 13:58:16:
you read the bible, perhaps you could clear up a mystery for me.
Oh before I forget Christian. What is your opinion of the Spanish Inquistion and the Crusades?
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: God Loves Sex. Why go anywhere when the alternative is low self-esteem?
Posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 14:32:51:
You sound like we ought to be ashamed of sex. A strangely, sex is always teh first thing that
gets let go of when an illness presents. The last to be taken up again.
If anything should have jumped out at you during the reading of this thread it is that
sex commands attention. That it is very important. A major drive, and some of us are not ready
to let it give it up. I'm sorry if you are uncomfortable with it, sorry for you. Mimi may REALLY
be God's gift to men, at least some men. More power to her, and to those lucky men, whoever
they are. All you can do is take what she says at face value, and leave it at that.
disturbs you so much, and really wish to make a statement of disapproval, don't post. But I'm
betting you can't do that either. So what are you left doing? Actively disapproving of others.
You seem to have a very high opinion of yourself, to dictate which threads should be deleted
without considering their value to others beyond yourself.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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what the simple statement meant: it meant you're simple.
Posted by catfight. on June 15, 2002 at 14:40:59:
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Re: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control.
Posted by JJ on June 15, 2002 at 18:23:37:
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Jesus, & T, & Seek The Help of God -Strangely Silent. What, Nothing To Quote?
Posted by Gregory on June 15, 2002 at 19:29:32:
You guys.
Surely you have some chapter, some verse to quote to me?
After all, my mortal soul (now there's an oxymoron) is in danger of eternal damnation. Or is it?
Had another talk with God, T. Seems me and him are straight.
the PR angle covered, and concentrate on your issues, which could stand some work. Hey, I'm just
passing along the message. I don't have a dime in that quarter, OK?
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control.
Posted by Dan on June 15, 2002 at 22:21:15:
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Re: A bible implies a "Religion" and a Religion implies Mind Control.
Posted by JJ on June 15, 2002 at 22:53:11:
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Blindfolds?
Posted by might work on June 15, 2002 at 22:58:13:
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Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer.
Posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 00:56:11:
Sorry. No go. I don't want "By definition"
Already you and the other "religionists" are in trouble. Wisely, not knowing the answer,
they have shut up.
of the sons.
to Christianity. Something to think about when you get into that bible-thumping mood.
Not you specifically, but your friends-by-religion Jesus, T and Seek The Help Of God.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Thank you all for your posts
Posted by Walt Stoll on June 16, 2002 at 07:51:55:
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Re: God Loves Sex
Posted by Walt Stoll on June 16, 2002 at 07:54:32:
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To those who felt ugly Re: Thank you all for your posts
Posted by CAT on June 16, 2002 at 10:01:51:
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Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer.
Posted by JJ on June 16, 2002 at 11:15:24:
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Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. Yes, Of Course.
Posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 11:49:02:
My answer is to Dan. Just keeping the "thread" tidy.
Cain: "Now Dad? Now, canast I? You promised. She's 15 for God's sake..."
Abel: "Ma? Cain is hardly ever right, but thou right about this! Now Ma? Well, would THEE
lie down then? Ma! where is thee going..."
And nothing worthwhile from Dan & The Gang. Religion whould be far more successful if it didn't
ask you to believe such impossible things and tied up loose ends, like this one.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer. Yes, Of Course.
Posted by JJ on June 16, 2002 at 12:11:43:
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Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound
Posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 15:05:20:
I never thought I'd be discussing religion on here. HA! gotcha. I knew it would come up
sooner or later. Bible Thumpers (thnx Kim) and BornAgains can't resist insisting that all
problems are the result of either lack of faith or sin. And to them nearly everything is a sin.
If you strip away the religious aura, you have some very interest things going on in Genesis.
I am not going to mine this motherlode except to point out that it is so rich in "source lore"
that the bible publishers had tiger by the tail, and the tiger was winning. So they came up
with "Plan B." Plan B was the "New Testament." Basically they wanted to "erase" Genesis and
have everyone sort of "forget" Genesis follow the new mind control teachings instead. It sorta
worked. But not quite. Version 2.0 was not really that hot as an upgrade, and many stayed loyal
to version 1.0 (Genesis) as the last word on events of significance way back then, even though
as mind control software, it too had
many bugs (inconsistencies).If you know
where and what the source code is,
then it is easy to fix the bugs
(eliminate the inconsistencies). What you are left with however is an account of what
happened, and from a religious standpoint too difficult for
the masses to swallow. So a bit
of editing is in order, to make it more palatable for the masses.This reintroduces
the bugs but for that time period when the masses were not as astute (or so it is believed.
That is a pretty raw assumption to make, dangerous in the extreme) it should have been
fairly easy to breeze this "altered history" right by them.
Bring the name of God into the works, and you've got all the makings of a religious war on
your hands. It isn't my purpose to relieve people of their security blanket, so
much as it is to not trip over the
many attempts to create a need in me to have one. God's children need to grow up and take the scales off their eyes.
Some like T and Seek The Help Of God and Jesus may never,
and from their playpens continue
to hoot with derision at those growing up.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Sorry, Incest Isn't The Answer.
Posted by Dan on June 16, 2002 at 17:20:12:
to Christianity."
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Re: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound
Posted by Dan on June 16, 2002 at 17:36:49:
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Gregory: Genesis & The New Testament: In For A Penny, In For A Pound
Posted by Kim on June 16, 2002 at 20:07:58:
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Consistency Is Within Conversational Parameters. You Are Not, However.
Posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 22:55:56:
I never said I was going to quote chapter and verse, Dan. That onus was upon you.
This one is easy.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Gregory
Posted by Charity on June 16, 2002 at 23:36:44:
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I Should Have Known You Would Fall Back On "Belief"
Posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 23:37:57:
That is your refuge when your intellect falters Dan.
We are not speaking of the Taliban, or any other religion Dan. We as speaking very specifically
of the paradox of the wives of Cain and Abel, and you have not provided the chapter and verse
which explains the paradox. Why not simple indicate that in fact you CAN'T explain
it instead of going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the topic, or should I
remind you of "Intellectual Consistency?"
Also, and I trust this is as self-evident as it is obvious:
this isn't about anger,
this isn't about derision,
this isn't about what kind of society I live in,
this isn't about Salmon Rushdie and
this isn't about Christian dominated societies.
Say, maybe you should look up "Consistency" while you read up on all the wonderful "inventions"
of Christianity. I can think on one right off the bat: accountability. As in priests fondling
children and how the archdiocese wants to protect these priests. Treat it on a case by case
basis. Why not look into how the Muslims would punish such a priest and what effect that would
have on other priests thinking of doing the same thing. Then we can have a discussion about
"oppressive religions" and how safe their children are? Ok Dan? Will ya do that for me? In the
name of "Intellectual Consistency?" Thanks.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Don't Be. We Got Plenty Of Them Over Here , Called Far Worse Too! nmi
Posted by Gregory on June 16, 2002 at 23:42:35:
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Charity
Posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 00:15:13:
Without equivicanting, it would be helpful if we define our terms so that we are both speaking
about the same thing, and that our words mean the same thing.
I will make an assumption, and you correct me if I am wrong, fair enough?
in the Bible. Further, when you say "Jesus, his son" that Jesus was literally the
offspring of God (as defined).
If this is consistent with your definition, then no, I do not believe "in God."
By extension, I do not "believe" in Jesus either.
I do believe there is a God, however this God bears only a passing resemblance to
the one you believe in. I believe there was a being by the name of Jesus, an Avatar,
one of many "sent" to lead humanity to a higher potential.
He failed in this task,
became a martyr, and a religion grew up around him instead.
However I believe this to be a simplistic view of very complicated events much as
one would describe Florida as "The Sunshine State" when obviously it is much more
than that.
As for what I believe in, and the Cain & Abel paradox solved, that gets into
how much you want your belief system dismantled in order to make some reasonable assumptions about
what happened back then, before the trappings of religion obscured the raw facts. It is also helpful
to have more than a passing knowledge of current technology otherwise the you will have neither the
vocabulary nor the concepts to carry on the debate/discussion. Last, you will have to suspend both belief and disbelief for the duration.
I ask this as what I present can (and probably will) be construed as a direct attack on your
belief system. Before launching headlong into this, I want you to be certain what I am going to
do and why, and what will happen if you participate, and of course this goes double for both our
"studio audience" and the peanut gallery.
You still up for it Charity?
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Gregory -
Posted by Kim on June 17, 2002 at 00:36:40:
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Re: Gregory - Another question before that one
Posted by Kim on June 17, 2002 at 00:41:12:
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Re: I Should Have Known You Would Fall Back On "Belief"
Posted by Dan on June 17, 2002 at 12:46:31:
You set forth conditions whereby you will engage in a theological discussion, much as someone bluffs when holding a bad hand of cards.
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Dan, either quote the chapter and verse and stick to the topic or give up.
Posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 13:34:33:
I asked for. The reason you can't find it is because it doesn't exist. The reason your intellect
is faltering is because it is weak and not up to the task.
You cannot explain the paradox, it is that simple.
Yes, yes, I know you have a truckload of "faith." I guess you would have to.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Stick to the topic???????
Posted by ----- on June 17, 2002 at 14:57:34:
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Re: Dan, either quote the chapter and verse and stick to the topic or give up.
Posted by Dan on June 17, 2002 at 14:57:53:
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Do you think this is what Dr. Stoll Wants.....
Posted by oserver on June 17, 2002 at 15:12:36:
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Yes it was and I think this guy Gregory needs a life!!
Posted by LOL on June 17, 2002 at 16:59:36:
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Re: Gregory -
Posted by Charity on June 17, 2002 at 17:24:29:
#2 And he did not fail in the task that was set before him.
He taught his twelve disciples and they turned the world upside down. It was part of the plan from the beginning of the world when God set it up with Adam.
Charity
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Re: Do you think this is what Dr. Stoll Wants.....
Posted by Spellcheck on June 17, 2002 at 17:51:28:
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Re: Charity
Posted by Charity on June 17, 2002 at 18:00:17:
You are probably right at this point I do not have it in me, you will probably let me have it, you answered my questions thank you. We are on opposite sides (I believe in the Bible and you don't) that is ok like I said that is how America is made up thank God for our freedoms(some are being taken away but we have not lost all of them yet.)I am not very good with words so you will have to forgive me my husband is the one that can keep the debates going. I love to listen and mabe learn a few things. So no I will not pick up this challenge. I would like to stay friends though so just because we believe differently dosent mean I cannot talk to you and be a friend. Twice a year we have a convention at our church we have people from all walks of life come and have one big debate 3-4 hours a day it is really neat to watch. And I will not take offence if you attack I realize you do not agree with my belief. Exspecially now that I understand you do not believe in the God or the Bible.
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Well, I could always ask him, but
Posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 20:30:02:
but mostly I think Walt "wants" two things:
He wants people to find their own path to wellness using the tools provided
I think he wants discussions that will reveal why that is or isn't happening.
Walt provides a great deal of leeway and PERMITS a great deal to that end.
I've been here since 1998, and logged in what I (and Walt) consider some very helpful
posts, so he probably cuts me some slack to vent. It is difficult to ascertain Walt's
view on religion, but knowing Walt, it is probably both practical and moderate.
Mine is not. In fact, I do not have a religion at all. I am opposed to religion, all religion
as vehicles of both mass mind control and power masquerading as spiritual
enlightenment. It is my view that millions have been brainwashed into thinking
that they need someone to do their thinking for them (priest or minister, take
your pick) if you want to call it thinking, and that they need "rituals" to talk to
a being who essentially is always listening.
The Bible has some factual data, which is draped in religious trappings, obscuring
what really occured, and has been heavily edited to that what occured cannot be duplicated.
The bible also has a great many "metaphorical" stories which is a nice way of saying lies.
You are asked to believe the impossible, "on faith" and your ability to take leave of your senses,
which define reality determine how faithful (or deluded) you are. What kind of god asks you to not
use the very sense he/she bestowed upon you?
Maybe you should take everything on faith. But you don't, otherwise you couldn't make the simplest of
decisions, and would be totally unable to function in society. So what are you left with?
You're left with a small but potent set of "laws" which just coincidentally are the very ones
which control 95% of human behavior, and millions of people who can't and won't think for themselves.
People who have willingly forgotten how to question. Who are like children and proud of it when it
comes to their own spiritual education. Superstitious & unable to question, their spiritual health
declines, which they then "blame" on their physical, mental
or emotional circumstances.
Walt can't make any comment on your spiritual health obviously. That is a can of worms
no one on the board will address, and with good reason. Because, obviously, we then have
"discussions" like the one that is playing out right now.
Worse, there is little chance that
anything good is going to come out of this, but I have to go ahead anyway so that the
Bible-Thumpers & Born Again's and people like T, and Jesus and Seek The Help Of God think
that they can spout their venom undisputed, as if there is no one taking notice. People,
generally thinking are afraid to attack religion, no matter how extreme, like God will get
angry or something. God isn't. Ours is a world of total self will. We are not under onus
to do anything (as opposed to anglels or devas for example) and nothing "bad" will happen if you
do whatever you want, except as defined by the laws of man.
However that does not sit very well with those who would control you, so the threat of
something has to keep you in line. That something is usually after the fact (death).
If you knew, truly knew what happened after death, if all people knew, it would be the end
of religion. 99% of religion is in one way or another tied to death and what happens "after."
Take away the mystery, and their is no need for religion. This is why your religion will
never reveal this, or put it into eith the most vague and obfusicating or spectacular and
nonfactual terms possible.
On the one hand I have truth seekers like Charity & Kim and on the other I have 'thumpers like
T, Dan and Seek The Help Of God. Which brings me to how to present this. So I decided to present
it as if I were talking to an audience. I'm not going to ignore the 'thumpers (you never know
wen they might open their minds a crack) but my posts are directed mainly to people like Charity & Kim
I am not interested in dissuading them of their beliefs but of satisfying their curiosity. It is entirely
possibly they may learn something along the
way.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Love Is A Higher Vibration
Posted by Gregory on June 17, 2002 at 21:31:05:
Each species that exist in the universe has a gift, something that they are
especially good at, something that they are "born" to do. All of them had Avatars
to lead the way, to show them how to develop and make use of their gift. Very few
of them have killed off their Avatars, or have had as many as humans. Our gift is Love.
In order to use and express our Gift, we (as a species) have to be "Quickened"
because Love is a "higher" vibration.
Being quickened is easy. Staying quickened is difficult. You are wondering,
probably what "quickened" is. Actually, you probably do it without knowing that
you are doing it: When you have a conversation with someone and you are so in tune
with them that you know what they are going to say, when you talk to someone and
your thoughts flow harmoniously and you do not have to explain what you mean,
when there are days when everythinng "just flows" naturally without conflict.
In order for this to be a permanent state, you have to resolve your issues
and release your ego to have it merge with your Higher Self. This is far more
difficult to do than to describe, and there are interests vested in it not
happening at all. Instead of life being harmonious, it is normally difficult and
filled with discord, strife, arguments. At a higher level the populance distrusts
the government and at a higher level still, the world largely distrusts its
neighbors. At any given time, there is a war going on someplace.
what you are talking about, even the most basic of concepts. They don't "get it."
You know intuitively that they never will. They are at a lower vibrational rate than you.
To them, you are "quickened" but they would never put it into those terms. And this brings
up an interesting side note: when people refer to "Heaven" they usually refer to it as "up there" as if it is
physically and spatially located above and off earth when in fact is is vibrationally "up"
Heaven & Love is a higher vibration. The lower your rate of vibration, the more primitive,
hateful, and thoughtless you become. The "lower class" are very aptly named, and there are
people who you think of as "beneath you" without having to think twice about it. This is not
to promote elite-ism because everyone, the whole planet will have to "level up" to the
"love vibration" for the "plan," the "lesson" the avatar(s) failed to
teach to come to fruition. I do not however, blame the Avatars for their failure.
As I said before, there were (and are) other powers/forces at work to keep the races
of earth at each others throats, and to prevent the love vibration from ever happening.
Once upon a time, religion was good. It was pure, it had an Avatar at the helm to keep it
alive, vital and relevant. Questions could be asked and the higher vibration made much of
it self-evident. You need only be in love vibration field to get what all the hoopla was
about. Then men, unquickened, came along, and turned the religion, the Movement, into
something else. And the religion became what it is today, what it was has been since the
Avatar died. Those in it are deluded into thinking they are quickened, are spiritually
advanced, that all others are damned, when they too are damned in the sense that
they are no better than those they believe are "beneath" them. I think a different
plan has been put into action, which is instead of having one all powerful Avatar put
into place, a larger number of less powerful souls incarnate. Hundreds of thousands
of Light Children, Light Workers incarnate to "lead the way" and put the "plan" back on
schedule. In one sense, the battle between heaven and hell describes this and on
the other, (because the battle has been described as having already been fought (and won)
by the "good guys") the battle is still underway and the "good guys" are losing.
This all plays out underneath your nose against the backdrop of all your issues
and how you lead your life. You may feel the need to "tell" other people about your
religion, but who's purpose does it serve? This essay explains who benefits
from your proselytization.
I hope this answered your question.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Well, I could always ask him, but
Posted by ------ on June 17, 2002 at 22:25:57:
You are more narrow minded and judgmental than those "brainwashed" people you attack.
The only thing we learn from you is how NOT to be.
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Re: Love
Posted by Charity---Love on June 17, 2002 at 22:36:42:
Who said Heaven is in the air,I believe that is only a symbol,we make our heaven or hell right here on earth before we die. Where we live now is where we are destined after we die. When we die we go where we already made it here on earth. So many people get the impression that sex is love they are wrong. Love is where you will lay your life down for somebody else. You can love your best friend that does not mean you will have a sexual relationship with them that just means I will lay down my life for them if need be. That is of course the extreme but it gets the point across.
Love
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Re: Well, I could always ask him, but
Posted by Dan on June 17, 2002 at 23:12:21:
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I Didn't
Posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 04:56:03:
any point in having a discussion, for I will have to continue to correct you each time,
and each misquote you make will simply make it apparent that you had no intention of ever
discussing the topic at hand, and that being the case...
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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and of course we also learn not to post a name or email address too.
Posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 05:09:05:
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Look carefully. The Topic is Genesis, and inconsistencies threrein.
Posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 05:13:15:
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Not all love is romantic love. And not all love is sacrificial either.
Posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 05:25:58:
only "level up." That does not mean that this is hell. I mean it CAN be, and for a lot of
people it is, but not because it is. It is because people make it that way.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Well, I could always ask him, but
Posted by Walt Stoll on June 18, 2002 at 07:39:33:
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Re: Not all love is romantic love. And not all love is sacrificial either.
Posted by ----- on June 18, 2002 at 09:16:25:
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Re: Not all love is romantic love. And not all love is sacrificial either.
Posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 14:27:05:
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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I gave my opinion on both.
Posted by Gregory on June 18, 2002 at 20:24:30:
It's your knowledge that seems more theoretical. Oh wait, that isn't right. Your "knowledge"
is based on "faith." So I guess it isn't knowledge at all but superstition.
Unlike yourself, who falls back on faith in the absence of knowledge, or even an educated guess
which would mean a real intellect operating, I use the brains that God gave me. My posts to
Mimi, and other posters is experiential knowledge combined sometimes with the research of others.
Perhaps you will consider reading the posts instead of getting angry at me for calling you
to task. As an aside, quoting the Bible to me guarantees that I'll ignore most of what you have
to say. After that point, you might as well be talking to yourself, which, as it turns out, you
are doing anyway. Are you expecting to convince me by insulting me? Do you know of any instances
where that has worked, generally speaking? No need to answer, it was a retorical question.
The fact remains that you cannot explain the mystery of Cain & Abel's wives, and your are
going all over the place with the same excuses the church uses in order to explain the
unexplainable. You cannot meet the challenge Dan. It is very simple. Because this orginal
paradox cannot be explain, everything else in the Bible is suspect. Interestingly enough Dan,
I've gone through 3 "Bible Study" courses. Not one of the instructors wanted to tackle it.
I can't even say that any real study was done. More of the "I'll tell you what questions
to ask variety." Yes once upon a time I was indoctrinated into religion. Well at least I would
have been if the indoctrination had worked. It caused my godmother no end of anguish. To this
day the Jehovah's Witnesses avoid my house after I told them I was a practicing witch (at the
time I was). Even though wicca held the most promise as a viable religion, one that I could almost
live with, it had the many of the same limitations as any religion. All this exposure to let you
know that I indeed have "practical" [now there's a misnomer] experience with the bible.
I am glad you have a God who is as rigid and unforgiving as you are. You are suited to each other.
I should certainly hope I can "define" God in "ever -evolving" terms, as it would mean that
I myself are evolving. Please do not fool yourself into thinking that you were doing anything
less than attempting to impose your brand of religion onto me. It didn't work, and you were upset
that you could not answer my question as well. That is OK because you just another in a long line
who can't. I am not looking for the answer since I already know it. I just wanted to see if you, a
"real Christian" would know the answer. And of course I knew the answer to that already too.
Gregory
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Re: I gave my opinion on both.
Posted by Dan on June 18, 2002 at 21:03:42:
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You're So Adamant, It's Really Quite Amusing!
Posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 01:06:32:
"...My point, stated again for your benefit, is, that a sovereign God exists, and He will judge you and me..."
If you knew how the universe operated Dan, you would know that is patently absurd.
God is not judging me. At least my God isn't. Yours is judging you. Of that I am certain.
Now, you may think you God is judging me, but he isn't. YOU are judging me, and I come up short,
and Dan, ILMAO. You have no idea how ridiculous you are. You or your "sovereign God." If it
will make you feel better, I will cower in my boots for a few seconds. OK? [Laughing OUt Loud]
And on to the twisted retoric section.
Here we are in the land of house construction. No matter the kind of house we build, we must
have a strong, solid foundation. If it is weak or unsound in any way, whatever we build on it
will be flawed. Surely even you, sitting in your domecile can agree with that.
So let us now apply this to the this paradox of Cain & Abel's wives. It is a "foundation"
story. The rest of the bible and the events following, cannot be given any merit because
the foundation is unsound. If you cannot trust the foundation, then you can't trust
any that comes after unless you are either a zealot or utter fool.
You are very hung up on people imposing their will on you
imposed on me. I am not resisting God. I am resisting your view of God. I am not in pain,
although I can see that you need me to be as to justify your view of me. What can I say?
I'm not in pain, but for you Dan I'll be in pain for a few seconds. OK, done.
As for being imperishable, I'm already imperishable. Not only in the witty Not-Needing-Refrigeration
kind of imperishable, but also in the Immortal Soul kind of imperishable. I'll be back. Unless I get it
together before 2012. Then I won't HAVE to come back here unless I want to.
Which is sort of a comforting thought.
Dan, take all the time you need in that "investigation" of yours. Let us know what you find out.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Gregory
Posted by Charity on June 19, 2002 at 10:54:11:
You will probably give it to me for this but the Bible never states that Abel married. Cain married a sister or distant relative because Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.
It does not say how old he was when He married they lived for hundreds of years back then, they married for procreation back then basically they did it to populate the earth. The 12 tribes married within themselves,the daughters of the tribe of Bengiman married within the tribe of Bengiman. When Ruth married Boaz she married next of kin,of course she was Naomi's daughter in law(widowed from one of her sons) If she had of been Naomi's real daughter and widowed she would of been able to marry the next of kin. (One more example)Abraham married his half sister.
If I have miss understood the question please forgive me it is hard to follow these post somtime. If I did miss understand it please tell me what the question is. Mabe I can answer it mabe I cannot. You answered my questions for me Gregory mabe I can answer this one for you.
Charity
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Charity: Which Sister or Distant Relative?
Posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 11:34:12:
two sons, Cain & Abel.
and occupations. Cain was a farmer. Abel was a shepherd.
no "distant relatives" (unless you mean apes) with 4 people on earth for the same reason there
can be no "sister."
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Charity: Which Sister or Distant Relative?
Posted by Charity on June 19, 2002 at 12:30:41:
Because Adam and Eve were the first people they had to come from them. They did not list all their children because it was not important.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23 ¶ And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. (KJV)
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I'm sorry Charity -That won't wash
Posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 13:05:43:
That will not do. You are conjecturing, and worse contradicting yourself.
If it is important enough to record who Adam & Eve were, and important enough to list
the offspring of Adam & Eve, then it would have have been important enough to list ALL
their offspring.
Second, "God" did not "write" the bible. It was written by men, after the events
had occured. "I believe Adam and Eve had a lot of children and the childrent married and the children of the children married until they all populated the earth"
were, and where did they come from? I am not interested in what you believe or what you consider
important. I want it this information from the source you hold most sacred and sancrosanct.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Gregory
Posted by Charity on June 19, 2002 at 16:20:14:
because I don't feel like have contradicted myself, I will bow out of the conversation.I do agree that I have been
conjecturing. I feel like some things you have to put two and two together to come up with four and I feel like I have done this. Lets go in peace Gregory I enjoyed this,and I hope we are still friends.
Charity
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Wont wash?
Posted by Amber on June 19, 2002 at 16:28:34:
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Charity: Agreed
Posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 18:41:33:
Gregory, the Lightwalker
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Re: Wont wash?
Posted by JJ on June 19, 2002 at 19:44:54:
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Not real good at reading threads are you Amber?
Posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 22:38:27:
Think you can do that? I mean I know you want to jump down my throat, and you're infuriated that I
seem to be attacking Charity, but Charity DID want to discuss this. I never indicated to
Charity that she should give up her beliefs. I didn't even ask her to question them.
If any discussion is going to take place, then we have to agree in the beginning of the discussion
what it is we are talking about. Your assertations of one word meaning something else only indicates
your own sloppy and ambigious thinking. I made myself very clear what I was discussing, and limited
it to that one topic. Respondents to the topic strayed from the topic. I called them on this much to
their chagrin and hostility. Do not ascribe your ignorance to me. Maybe YOU "don't know what
the bible means" inasmuch as any religious text "means" something, but it fairly easy to understand
it if you had the unedited, unabriged version, and you remove the religious-speak. I'm all for letting
people believe what they want to believe, but if they want me to believe it too they better be able to
explain it to MY satisfaction without conveinent copouts like "faith."
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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In The Immortal Words Of Stevie Wonder...
Posted by Gregory on June 19, 2002 at 22:56:15:
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Once again
Posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 01:13:23:
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Re: Once again
Posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 01:20:24:
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hmmmmm
Posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 01:39:40:
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Thank God I'm Ignorant About Faith & Religion
Posted by Gregory on June 20, 2002 at 03:00:11:
would indeed be bliss.
seems very much full of promise. However, if it will make you feel better, I will lie to you,
and tell you my life is full of misery. It isn't, but there is no way for you to tell one way
or the other is there Amber? I might well say that you don't have a life either, if all
you can do is make half-hearted attempts to make me feel bad.
un-Christianlike behavior. Not one of you has turned the other cheek, shown compassion, or shown
love. Uniformly you have judged in a way that would have you screaming bloody murder had it been
applied to you, as Christians.
that none of you can. It is in YOUR bible, but you can't explain it to me. I didn't produce some
weird, obscure text and say "here. explain this." But none of the devout, the faithful, the True Believers
could explain it.
that you don't. I don't need to rely on "faith." I have a working brain, and know how to use it.
or even read the bible. Afterall, you have "faith."
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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hmmmmm. keep trying. but don't burn out your brainpan. you aren't up to it. nmi
Posted by Gregory on June 20, 2002 at 03:05:05:
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If you think you have evaluated me correctly
Posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 04:08:21:
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Goodness
Posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 04:42:23:
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Amber, I don't really care. You've done a fine job of evaluating yourself. nmi
Posted by Gregory on June 20, 2002 at 04:55:24:
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Re:Amber, Give it a rest!
Posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 05:55:27:
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Re: Amber, you did it again
Posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 06:03:13:
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Re: Charity: Which Sister or Distant Relative?
Posted by Walt Stoll on June 20, 2002 at 08:05:43:
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Duh
Posted by Amber on June 20, 2002 at 15:43:20:
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Re: Duh, Amber, you still havent answered the question....
Posted by Michael on June 20, 2002 at 16:06:41:
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Truer words are said in jest than in all seriousness nmi
Posted by Been There, Done That, Got The T-Shirt on June 20, 2002 at 17:59:25:
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Premature ejaculation
Posted by MIMI on June 25, 2002 at 10:35:51:
I just checked out this site after a couple of weeks and was amazed that people are still posting under my thread -- to discuss religion! Well, one thing I want to say is that Gregory is one of the few people who actually addressed my question. People who neglected my post for whatever reason don't seem to mind responding to his posts about religion. I saw some posts shouting that this was a health issue oriented board so Gregory should stop coming back here -- I think different people have different needs; to some people exchanging messages about religion which is a mental stabilizer to those who in need of some definitive belief for their mind, which then may have a therapeutic effect on their wellness. Greg showed that he cared about my situation as well as religion because he is just not a neglecter. A neglecter is not a helper on a message board when you are seeking information.
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure
Posted by Gregory on June 25, 2002 at 11:30:51:
Thanks for the kind words.
Your boyfriend is lucky to have you. Since you want to hold onto him, it is he who will have to do
the changing. The cure is Ejaculation Control, which he will have to learn. You will be his
"teacher" in a sense, but both of you will obviously benefit. He will be eternally grateful.
My last partner was.
know how it works out, OK?
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (Archive in sex.)
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (Archive in sex.)
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (Archive in sex.)
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (For Mimi)
Posted by Gregory on June 26, 2002 at 14:06:22:
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (For Mimi)
Posted by Arf on June 27, 2002 at 05:27:50:
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Re: Premature ejaculation - The Cure (For Mimi)
Posted by Mimi on June 29, 2002 at 23:42:00:
Thanks a lot for your help. The links are working now.
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