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What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

I would like to put some reality and a little
fear into a girl smoking and I would like to know what bad things are in cigarettes?

I saw an ad today that arsenic is one thing.

Thanks



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by Rick on June 10, 2002 at 20:41:14:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

Cigarette smoking causes your arteries to constrict and the arteries to the teeth are very small - therefore, due to this constriction most smokers lose their teeth at an early age due to the loss of blood flow thru these restricted arteries.

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by R. on June 10, 2002 at 21:08:15:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

Benzopyrene, a carcinogenic substance.

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by smoker on June 11, 2002 at 05:35:55:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

I won't say that smoking is good for you but how can some
smokers be healthier and live longer than non smokers ? It
could be that they would do better if they didn't smoke but
then maybe not. The med comunity is trying to figure out
why some smokers can live as long as they do if it is So
bad for you.

Does it shorten ones life or bring on illnesses ? Maybe,
but does it benefit the smokers in some way in the
meantime ? Possibly.

I feel that if someone is having a problem that they can
blame on smoking, then they should Think of quiting but that
doesn't always help them. I know someone who quit and Right
after developed breathing problems SO severe they had to go
on disability. They didn't have the problems before they
quit so did the smoking cause it OR did the quiting. I
would be curious if they started smoking again, would their
breathing Improve ? That won't happen since they were determined to
quit and wouldn't start doing something that is Said to
cause what they wound up with. People will say that the
smoking Finally caught up to them But a week after they
Stoped using the patch ????? ..... Maybe the patch did them
in...

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 11, 2002 at 08:13:56:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

Hi, Carol.

Go to the reference librarian at your local library and tell him what you are trying to find out. There are literally hundreds of substances in cigarettes that cause rapid aging and death.

Genetically, there are some people who are very resistant to this stuff and genetically there are some of us who are very sensitive to them. Since the human genome project, there is hope that someday we will be able to test people to find those who can smoke with impunity and those who should not even be in the same room with a smoker. Those tests are not yet available.

"Smoker" is deliberately ignoring the research and hoping. GOOD LUCK to him.

Wakt



Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Maz on June 11, 2002 at 08:27:54:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.) posted by Walt Stoll on June 11, 2002 at 08:13:56:

Dr Walt,

I disagree with your final comment. I am a smoker, and believe me MOST smokers would give up if they could. I firmly believe that the tobacco companies have made cigarettes even more addictive than they were 20 years ago. At that time lots of smokers gave up. Now the addiction seems to be much stronger and will power is not enough. I do not advocate nicotine replacement of any sort.

Kind regards,

Maz



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?)

Posted by David on June 11, 2002 at 09:01:56:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

I know there are bad things in cigs-but also bad things in foods we eat-so should we stop eating? I think cig smokers have been picked on to much-and don;t think it is fair to raise the prices of smokes to force us to quit. WHat happened to freedom of choice. Maybe there should be price hikes for fattening foods to get the fat people to stop eating them.How about the hormones being injected in the foods we eat-ruining our health. I don;t think it is fair we are being picked on for this.Proud to be American? Not me.



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by GregD on June 11, 2002 at 14:23:34:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

How about the following:


Cigarette smoke contains carcinogenic chemicals (cancer causing), it contains benzene, acryl amid, toluene, arsenic, radioactive isotopes, it contains chemicals that form free radicals (highly reactive molecules that damage DNA, leading to mutations in the DNA, which again leads to tumorgenesis, formation of tumors), it contains tar, which blocks the vesicles in the lung leading to a restricted exchange of gasses (oxygen and carbon dioxide) between the blood and the air, is contains carbon monoxide, which occupies the hemoglobin in the red blood cell, when it is supposed to transport oxygen to organs, tissues and cells, it contains chemicals that restrict the vascular wall of blood vessels, constricting them, it causes the skin to appear grey, it causes skin impurities, bad breath, damage to teeth, etc etc etc etc.

Furthermore, the nicotine in the smoke is more addictive than heroin.

What happens in the long run? A restricted lung volume, causing tiredness, respiratory distress, asthma, a high chance of developing lung cancer (= an extremely aggressive form of cancer, which almost always has led to metastases (development of cancer foci in other organs) by the time it is discovered, it causes throat cancer (again very aggressive form), it causes asthma and a variety of other lung diseases, it causes atero- and arteriosclerosis, which leads to heart disease, it increases risk of stroke...should I go on??

If she stops now, while she is still young, within a few years, the probability of her contracting any of these diseases drops to the probability that a non-smoker would have.


Hope this helps,


GregD
(Biochemist/Cell biologist)



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by Carol-For Greg on June 11, 2002 at 17:55:30:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by GregD on June 11, 2002 at 14:23:34:


Wow Greg that is awesome.

Thanks

That should be enough to scare her.

Let me ask you another question? Then this way of alternative, organic lifestyle can and does effect the cells right? In a real and radical way.

I use a juicer and even on the ad for it it mentions nutrients getting to the cell level. I like that.

I find all of this fascinating and I bet you do too.
I bet you eat pretty well..haha to avoid so many bad things.

Thanks a lot



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by BarbaraN on June 11, 2002 at 19:03:23:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by GregD on June 11, 2002 at 14:23:34:

Heb je die informatie van de GROOT waarschuwing sticker op de nieuwe sigaretten pakjes gekregen??? haha Omdat sigaretten roken meer verslavend is dan heroine...denk je dat minister Borst sigaretten netzo zou subsideren als heroine verslaafden?!!



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?)

Posted by Raisa on June 11, 2002 at 19:26:45:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?) posted by David on June 11, 2002 at 09:01:56:

Hi, David -
I have no idea how old you are but would guess that you are in your teens. I doubt that anything will change your mind at this time. Many of us realized after many years that what we had been told was true (about the health issues).
Good luck. I sincerely hope that you are one of the very lucky ones who avoids the hazards it brings. Raisa

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Smoker on June 12, 2002 at 01:14:13:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.) posted by Walt Stoll on June 11, 2002 at 08:13:56:

Walt, Research is interesting but I also consider situations
I hear about. Saw a friend who I hadn't in years and he
said he had an aortic anuerism repaierd. I asked him if he
had any ideas what might have caused it and he said,
Smoking, even though he quit 30 yrs ago. I think that
something else was the cause.

He doesn't seem to be very active so maybe he was out of
shape and did something strenuous once or something like
that. He has said that he would never do the things that I
do since they are too much like work.



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?)

Posted by smoker on June 12, 2002 at 01:16:07:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?) posted by David on June 11, 2002 at 09:01:56:

smoke cigars. there is no cigarette tax on them.

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by GregD on June 12, 2002 at 07:13:17:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol-For Greg on June 11, 2002 at 17:55:30:

Hi Carol,


the best way to scare her would be to show her a few things in a medical textbook about smoking...your local library of better still University library should be able to help you.

As far as whole foods and organic foods may be concerned...yes it is good for your cells. What we typically see is that with the economic boom after the WW-2, "new" diseases have occurred. These have been linked to our consumer way of life ...life in the fast lane, processed food products etc ect. Food processing drains all the beneficial nutrients from our food or causes chemical reactions, which in turn result in the formation of toxic substances (for instance: in any fried foodstuff, the high temperature causes the formation of acryl amid, a cancer causing substance). So heart disease for instance, is typically a western problem. The incidence in heart disease in Japan is much much lower than in Europe or the US and the reason for this is basically their diet, low fat, high in fish, high in green leafed vegetables, low sugar (even though they have the same amount of stress as we have). The same goes for southern European countries, such as Italy. Their diet is much healthier (lot of fresh vegetables, olive oil and yes, the occasional glass of red wine…contains reservatrol, a very powerful antioxidant) and therefore we see less incidence in heart disease and particular forms of cancer in these populations.

SO…eat fatty fish, eat a lot of vegetables and fruits, reduce red meat, reduce refined sugars, no canned food, no processed or instant food, avoid fried food, use fresh salads with virgin olive oil, use complex grains for baking, etc etc

Yes, I try to eat organic food products, I avoid anything that is deep fried, eat a lot of fish instead of meat, but will treat myself to a steak once in a while.

You see…even though I am researching antioxidants and their remedial effects and our research shows how beneficial they are (hence the need for a high intake in fruit and vegetables and olive oil), it took a major event, health wise, to open my eyes. This is the case for many scientists or MDs. I have a colleague, who is a lung specialist, but still smokes cigarettes. Even though he deals with their effects everyday. Call it a form of denial…..."this won’t happen to me".


Good luck


GregD
(Biochemist/Cell biologist)



Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by GregD on June 12, 2002 at 07:17:19:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by BarbaraN on June 11, 2002 at 19:03:23:

Heb je die informatie van de GROOT waarschuwing sticker op de nieuwe sigaretten pakjes gekregen???

Nee hoor ... wist dit al lang, kregen we te horen en te zien tijdens de opleiding, maar wou het gewoon zelf niet inzien...tot ik zelf ziek werd haha


haha Omdat sigaretten roken meer verslavend is dan heroine...denk je dat minister Borst sigaretten netzo zou subsideren als heroine verslaafden?!!


Nou...ik mag hopen van niet.

Wat mij betreft mogen ze de verkoop van sigaretten verbieden. Ik zie dat niet gebeuren, want de sigaretten industrie is machtig.

Doei,


GregD

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 12, 2002 at 08:07:26:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes?(in foods?) posted by David on June 11, 2002 at 09:01:56:

David,

Show me someone who can stop eating & I will show you someone who can keep smoking.

Walt

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by Carol on June 12, 2002 at 08:13:19:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by GregD on June 12, 2002 at 07:13:17:


Thank you so very much for explaining diet from this angle. Very, Very interesting indeed.

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 12, 2002 at 09:47:10:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by GregD on June 11, 2002 at 14:23:34:

Thanks, Greg D.

In MY experience most people tend to accept only that information which agrees with what they want to believe.

Namaste`

Walt

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What bad things in cigarettes? MOST smokers would give up if they could

Posted by
Gregory on June 12, 2002 at 13:28:02:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.) posted by Maz on June 11, 2002 at 08:27:54:


No Maz,

That is faulty thinking. What you should have said is "Most smokers will give up when they have to."

My aunt was a five packs a day kind of woman and you think she might know better because she
was also a registered nurse. And she said the same thing you did just before the doctor
gave her her prognosis:
keep smoking and you will be dead in 3 weeks. No ifs, ands,
buts or extenuating circumstances.

And the most amazing thing occured! SHE WAS ABLE TO STOP SMOKING. Faced with death Maz,
she "could" give up smoking. So it has little to do with Will Power and more to do
with Motivation.
If your life depends on it, REALLY depends on it, you can do damn near anything.


Lightwalking,
Gregory




Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 13, 2002 at 08:28:05:

In Reply to: Re: What bad things in cigarettes? (Archive in smoking.) posted by Smoker on June 12, 2002 at 01:14:13:

Yeah, Smoker.

The actual cause was almost certainly a silicon deficiency.

A report in the literature, at least 30 years ago, showed a total absence of silicon in the aortas of autopsied deaths from aneurysm as opposed to normal levels in people who had died of other causes. Why is not THAT information generally available???

Just because the "doc" makes a pronouncement is no reason for it to be so!

Walt

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What bad things in cigarettes? MOST smokers would give up if they could Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 13, 2002 at 09:24:33:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? MOST smokers would give up if they could posted by Gregory on June 12, 2002 at 13:28:02:

Thanks, Gregory.

AIN'T IT THE TRUTH?!

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: What bad things in cigarettes?

Posted by smoker on June 13, 2002 at 15:00:35:

In Reply to: What bad things in cigarettes? posted by Carol on June 10, 2002 at 20:35:15:

I used to notice that anti smoking commercials made me think
about smokes and make me light up. I heard that anti drug
commercials are doing just the opposite. Maybe it is like an
ad For them and makes you think about them when you aren't.

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