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Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on November 30, 2008 at 10:28:43:

My husband wants to quit using tabacco. He smoked for 15 years and for the last 6 he switched to chewing tabacco. He really wants to quit, but is physically having an extremely difficult time. Any suggestions? He already tried hypnosis twice, it worked for a few months each time. He is a stress bug! I know..skilled relaxation. Relaxation alone is so impossible for him, that's why he says he uses tabacco...for relaxation. I was trying to find a way to help him with the chemical effects first, then gradually add the mental component. Acupuncture? He tried chantix (sp?) and it did nothing! Any successful interventions you guys have I would love to share with him! Oh, he started smoking at 15 and he is now 36.

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:46:13:

In Reply to: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on November 30, 2008 at 10:28:43:

I used Tootsie Roll Pops and Werthers Lozenges, I just had to have something in my mouth and I quit when I was smoking up to 3 packs a day.

You know, the medical profession isn't exactly straight with people when they talk about tobacco, they don't tell people the benefits of using tobacco. They aren't going to tell people there is something in tobacco that can make our body heal itself and even immunizing itself. Even though the medical profession says tobacco causes heart problems, it actually has chemicals that can do 11 different things that helps prevent heart attacks.

Superactivity Arteriosclerosis/Atherosclerosis activities for Nicotiana tabacum 56 chemicals 54 activities
Superactivity Angina activities for Nicotiana tabacum 48 chemicals 27 activities
Superactivity Arrhythmia (Cardiac) activities for Nicotiana tabacum 48 chemicals 25 activities
Superactivity Heart Attack/Coronary Infarct activities for Nicotiana tabacum 48 chemicals 29 activities
Superactivity High Blood Pressure/Hypertension activities for Nicotiana tabacum 46 chemicals 21 activities
Superactivity Infarction activities for Nicotiana tabacum 48 chemicals 26 activities
Superactivity Low Blood Pressure/Hypotension activities for Nicotiana tabacum 45 chemicals 18 activities
Superactivity Thrombosis / Blood Clot activities for Nicotiana tabacum 47 chemicals 24 activities
Superactivity Cardiopathy/Heart Problems activities for Nicotiana tabacum 49 chemicals 34 activities
Superactivity High Cholesterol/Hypercholesterolemia activities for Nicotiana tabacum 54 chemicals 27 activities
Superactivity Apoplexy/Stroke activities for Nicotiana tabacum 48 chemicals 31 activities
Superactivity Pneumonia activities for Nicotiana tabacum 56 chemicals 25 activities
Superactivity Emphysema activities for Nicotiana tabacum 44 chemicals 17 activities
Superactivity Infection activities for Nicotiana tabacum 53 chemicals 18 activities
Superactivity AIDS/HIV activities for Nicotiana tabacum 69 chemicals 70 activities
Superactivity Cancer activities for Nicotiana tabacum 52 chemicals 75 activities
Superactivity Arthritis activities for Nicotiana tabacum 33 chemicals 16 activities
Superactivity Alzheimers activities for Nicotiana tabacum 43 chemicals 41 activities
Superactivity Anthrax activities for Nicotiana tabacum 60 chemicals 40 activities
Superactivity Diabetes activities for Nicotiana tabacum 41 chemicals 17 activities
Superactivity Hepatoses/Liver activities for Nicotiana tabacum 51 chemicals 34 activities
Superactivity Malaria activities for Nicotiana tabacum 64 chemicals 52 activities
Superactivity Tuberculosis activities for Nicotiana tabacum 67 chemicals 52 activities
SuperactivityViral Infections (Chronic) activities for Nicotiana tabacum 36 chemicals 10 activities
Superactivity Stress activities for Nicotiana tabacum 55 chemicals 37 activities
Superactivity Ulcer activities for Nicotiana tabacum 59 chemicals 22 activities

There's also superactivity to prevent stress.

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Posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 10:53:34:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:46:13:

Charles:

Tobacco may have benefits when applied topically, but let's be honest, chewing or smoking tobacco is harmful. No one needs to smoke or chew tobacco. Using tobacco in those forms (by mouth) has never cured any disease

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:59:14:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 10:53:34:

If chewing tobacco is harmful, how were my people living 80+ plus when the average lifespan was in the 50-60 range?

A person who chews tobacco needs to wash their mouth out before putting anything else in it and they shouldn't use alcohol.

Let's see if you can comprehend what this website is saying?

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=554329

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.5938] on November 30, 2008 at 11:00:50:

In Reply to: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on November 30, 2008 at 10:28:43:

Hi Charlene,

You said in your post that relaxation is the issue! Then that seems to be the place to focus. You might consider having him read, "The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook" for great tips on how to live a relaxed life. Consider regular massages to keep him relaxed. A stretching program can also help with overall relaxation. Counseling can alleviate stress and tension by the mere action of talking about one's problems to a person who is compassionate. Certain foods also contribute to relaxation and others to making a person more tense. Does he exercise regularly? That helps relaxation, too. There are many relaxation alternatives to cigarettes.

What I'm getting at is start making the whole lifestyle more relaxing.

Relaxation is an issue in our world. The Stoll Foundation eventually wants to sponsor a "Relaxation Self-Awareness Day" for people to start paying attention to exactly how tense they are, so they can then start taking steps to change it.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 11:18:58:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:59:14:

Charles:

"...If chewing tobacco is harmful, how were my people living 80+ plus when the average lifespan was in the 50-60 range?"

Some non-smokers were living even longer. Is there a study that finally proves the connection between smoking and longevity? Are smokers really healthier than non-smokers? Not likely.

As for the posted link, it doesn't state that smoking or chewing tobacco is healthy for a living being. It only shows the properties of tobacco which were possibly observed while in vitro and not with a living subject.

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Posted by Trish [13049.1399] on November 30, 2008 at 12:04:59:

In Reply to: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on November 30, 2008 at 10:28:43:

I quit for good 6 years ago when I had a wicked case of bronchitis. Some suggestions: try the nicotine patch and the gum. Also, to stave off a cigarette, breathe in like you're taking a drag on a cigarette; sometimes that helps.

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 12:29:13:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:46:13:

Hi Charles,

For many years I have heard that Alcohol was a Stimulant
which dilated blood vessels..
while tobacco did the opposite, which allowed people to concentrate on tedious tasks... such as composing, writing etc. It seems to increase the attention span.

Wouldn't constricting blood vessels be harmful to someone
with blocked arteries or other impaired blood flow?

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 12:34:55:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 11:18:58:

Hi Philly,

Maybe they smelled so badly of tobacco juice that they could not get a date ? Therefore, they avoided sexually transmitted diseases.
Warding-off incurable diseases was a way to a longer
life before hospitals and antibiotics..

It could also be that they were really not 80 when they died.. they just looked that way. ;-)

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 12:36:17:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 11:18:58:

This woman is talking about chewing tobacco, not smoking cigarettes. Why is it when anyone mentions tobacco people start talking about smoking? Smoking does have its' benefits, it helps keep weight off, relieves stress, it may help prevent Alzheimer's and Parkinson's Disease.

"Some non-smokers were living even longer." Show me a family that had 14 people live past 80 from people born in the 1830s to the 1910s and the telltale sign here is a lot of these people were only related by marriage.

As for the posted link, it doesn't state that smoking or chewing tobacco is healthy for a living being.

There you go with smoking again, smoking in not even the topic here.

If you will read up on antigens and immunology you may comprehend what is says.

"possibly" He stated it unequivably.

The first time I mentioned tobacco on this board, Dr. Stoll said the topical use of tobacco has been known since the days of Raleigh, do you think he doesn't know what he is talking about?

The stuff can make our body immunize itself against a lot of things, especially infections.

It would break the stranglehold the medical profession has over people if they started using it.

You ever hear of Stanley Cohen? Actually it's Dr. Stanley Cohen, Nobel Peace Prize winner for medicine, I talked to Dr. Cohen and I told him I had seen tobacco do things that were utterly amazing and guess what the man told me, he didn't tell me I was crazy, he said pay attention to what you see, you don't have to be a researcher or scientist to discover something.


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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 12:45:16:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 12:34:55:

Most of my people back then, born in the mid 1800s dipped or chewed so that way you don't have to worry, what's on the other ones' breath, it is on yours too.

You should read this.

http://www.tobacco.org/resources/history/monardes.html

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Posted by VF [12036.1399] on November 30, 2008 at 12:46:15:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:46:13:

had a friend who kept a toothpic in his mouth to try to stop smoking. He would Chew it after a while, and spit out splinters, on a windy day, they would be sticking to his clothes.))



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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 12:58:51:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 12:29:13:

You haven't heard that tobacco is a stimulant? Whaaaat planet were you born on? :)

Thrombosis / Blood Clot activities for Nicotiana tabacum

Antiaggregant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - CICHORIIN. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiaggregant - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaggregant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiaggregant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiaggregant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antiarteriosclerotic - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Antiarteriosclerotic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antiatherogenic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiatherogenic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiatheromic - PECTIN. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - ETHANOL. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - LUTEIN. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - MALIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiatherosclerotic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiatherosclerotic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Anticoagulant - CITRIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiedemic - 4-VINYL-GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antiedemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiedemic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiedemic - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiedemic - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiedemic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiedemic - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antihypercholesterolemic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antihypercholesterolemic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antihypertensive - GABA. Leaf.
Antihypertensive - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antihypertensive - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - 4-VINYL-GUAIACOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - AESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - CYCLOARTENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - ESCULETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antiinflammatory - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Antiinflammatory - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Antiinflammatory - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antiinflammatory - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antiinflammatory - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antiischemic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CATALASE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CATECHOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - EUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - FUMARIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOEUGENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - LUTEIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - P-COUMARIC-ACID. Flower.
Antioxidant - PALMITIC-ACID. Seed. [57500 - 140000 ppm.]
Antioxidant - PHENOL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antioxidant - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SHIKIMIC-ACID. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SPERMIDINE. Plant.
Antioxidant - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - SUCROSE. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antioxidant - TRIMETHYLAMINE. Leaf.
Antiplatelet - RUTIN. Leaf.
Antistress - BETA-CAROTENE. Leaf.
Antistress - GABA. Leaf.
Antistroke - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Antithrombic - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Antithrombic - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Antithrombotic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Arteriodilator - FERULIC-ACID. Flower.
Diuretic - ASPARAGINE. Leaf.
Diuretic - BETAINE. Leaf.
Diuretic - CAFFEIC-ACID. Leaf.
Diuretic - CHLOROGENIC-ACID. Leaf.
Diuretic - GABA. Leaf.
Diuretic - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Diuretic - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Diuretic - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Diuretic - SORBITOL. Leaf.
Hemolytic - M-CRESOL. Leaf.
Hemolytic - PALMITIC-ACID. Seed. [57500 - 140000 ppm.]
Hemolytic - PHENOL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - BETA-SITOSTEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - CYCLOARTENOL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - LIGNIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - LINOLEIC-ACID. Seed. [50000 - 70000 ppm.]
Hypocholesterolemic - NICOTINIC-ACID. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - OLEIC-ACID. Seed. [62500 - 122500 ppm.]
Hypocholesterolemic - PECTIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - PHYTOSTEROLS. Leaf. [1000 - 5000 ppm.]
Hypocholesterolemic - RUTIN. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - STIGMASTEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.
Hypocholesterolemic - TRIGONELLINE. Seed.
Hypotensive - 1,8-CINEOLE. Leaf.
Hypotensive - ASTRAGALIN. Leaf.
Hypotensive - ETHANOL. Leaf.
Hypotensive - GABA. Leaf.
Hypotensive - ISOQUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Hypotensive - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
Hypotensive - QUERCITRIN. Leaf.
Hypotensive - RUTIN. Leaf.
Hypotensive - SCOPOLETIN. Leaf.
PAF-Inhibitor - KAEMPFEROL. Leaf.
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Vasodilator - PHENOL. Leaf.
Vasodilator - QUERCETIN. Flower.
Vasodilator - RUTIN. Leaf.
Vasodilator - TOCOPHEROL. Leaf.

What do vasodilators do Ron?
What do arteriodilators do Ron?

I know arteriodilators are not listed above, I guess they are just not strong enough to be considered as having superactivities but they are in tobacco.

Don't you think those antiaggregants would help keep blood clots from forming, don't you think those antiatheriosclorosises would help prevent plaque from building up or the antiarteriosclorosises would help prevent hardening of the arteries?

It's no wonder my ancestors had long healthy lives.

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on November 30, 2008 at 12:59:39:

In Reply to: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on November 30, 2008 at 10:28:43:

Charlene,

Have you looked at the archives for this?

Walt

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Posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 13:03:36:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 12:36:17:

Charles:

I am not dismissing the possible benefits of tobacco when used topically.

I am saying that I have never seen any studies showing that CHEWING tobacco (as well as smoking) is beneficial. Where is that study?

Again, the link didn't mention that the study was observed on living beings. Therefore, we can't determine by the study how the human body would react.

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 15:57:56:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 12:45:16:

Hi Charles,

I guess they had to cover up the smell of unwashed bodies and all those frequently worn clothes that rarely saw a laundry in the cabins or towns without running water.

I bet they didn't even smell appealing on Sundays..
so the tobacco is probably the main reason the human was able to reproduce. ;-)


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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 16:01:36:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by VF [12036.1399] on November 30, 2008 at 12:46:15:

Hi Vince,

Toothpicks are better than a chunk of straw or hay...
(more convenient too for the city-slickers)

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 16:22:51:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 15:57:56:

I wonder how many cities had running water in the 1800s.

Did you read the link??????????

Didn't have enough time, RIGHT????????

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 16:27:51:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 13:03:36:

If you would try it, you might see it.

Apparently tobacco doesn't matter the body heal itself on every ailment, especially the heart.

It's hard to see anything with your eyes CLOSED.

If you want to take the medicine the drug companies puts out, don't complain about it or their prices, it's your choice.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 17:22:42:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 16:27:51:

I'm not one for taking prescription drugs, so you'll get no complaints from me about them.

I still want to read up on those studies that claim chewing tobacco is healthy.

Again, for the second time, I am not dismissing tobacco's benefits when used topically. I am merely questioning its use when used by mouth, namely by chewing it. If you come across such studies, would you post them? Thanks.

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 18:06:30:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 17:22:42:

Show me some modern studies on using tobacco topically, you aren't going to find them because studies are controlled by the medical field and they sure aren't going to tell you.

I'm not trying to tell you to use tobacco, only that it has its' benefits.

When I AVERAGED the lifespan of ALL my family members that chewed or dipped, it was over 80 years. We had one to make it to 100 and four more make it over 90.

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 19:54:43:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 16:22:51:

Hi Charles,

I was thinking of Dodge City around the time of "Gunsmoke"

Miss Kitty must have worn a lot of perfume or just smelled better than Matt Dillon.

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 19:58:30:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 12:58:51:

Hi Charles,

That seems to cover all the bases...
Tobacco also seems to be good after sex...
At least it keeps him awake long enough to ask her if she
enjoyed it.

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:20:44:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 19:58:30:

WELL, actually tobacco has BOTH, a stimulant and a depressant. The medical field says that it starts out as a stimulant and turns into a depressant. Ever see a smoker upset, they have a cigarette and calm down. The medical field says it is actually the stimulant that calms him down, BS, it is the depressant that calms him down. Our body takes whichever it needs at any given moment to regulate our moods. It definitely does have a lift to it in the mornings.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:22:11:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 19:54:43:

Well I wonder when NYC got running water in houses. Surely you are smart enough to run that down for me. :)

I'm a dummy when it comes to looking things up on the net.

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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:49:32:

In Reply to: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on November 30, 2008 at 10:28:43:

"Although over 38 million people in the United States have quit smoking, about 50 million continue to smoke (about 25.7% of the adult population)."

Isn't that about 42%? Don't you think that is a pretty high figure for something that is supposed to be sooooooooo addictive?

I wonder what the figures are on those who consume alcohol!!!!!

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 01:49:06:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:20:44:

Hi Charles,

Are you saying that giving a child with ADHD Ritalin is wrong?
Ritalin is a stimulant.. like Speed, Cocaine etc.
Maybe ADHD is not hyperactivity.. but instead, overwhelming boredom which needs to be excited to help concentration and learning?

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Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 01:52:58:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:22:11:

Hi Charles,

You are very good at looking up tobacco ingredients. :-)

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Re: NY Water History

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 02:19:19:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:22:11:

Hi Charles,

Here is a bit of history about NY Water


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Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 06:40:17:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 01:49:06:

I still remember being in school and the truth of the matter is, if I liked a subject I was in to it, if I didn't, I was daydreaming about a beautiful girl. I'm sure some people now would have said I was AD&D, I would have been a slacker back then.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 06:42:00:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 01:52:58:

They say practice makes perfect and I have been practicing on tobacco for years.

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Re: NY Water History

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 06:53:17:

In Reply to: Re: NY Water History posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 02:19:19:

It doesn't tell when water was put in the houses.

TRY AGAIN. :)

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 08:15:12:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 15:57:56:

sorry but anecdotal info on ones relatives hardly passes for scientific studies.
as far as the compounds making up tobacco being "good" for us, SOME are.Unfortunately when taken as a "whole" they are clearly carcinogenic. I'm referring to smoking or chewing only. The only topical use i'm aware of is Tonto applying it for snakebite!
To argue "chewing is healthy" goes against the statistics regarding the horrible disfigurement and deth from oral cancer ..... not a pretty way to die.
BTW, I take several tings found in Tobacco including rutin and quercetin. quercetin is particularly "anti-cancer" but again NOT perhaps when mixed with dozens of other compound and smoked or chewed!
Sorry Charles, if you want to expound on "topical application" I'll listen all day, but to smoke or chew is suicidal.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 08:50:17:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 08:15:12:

And why would my family be an exception? I have an aunt by marriage, who is 93 that is still alive and she has been using tobacco for 80 years. Maybe the reason tobacco hasn't affected my family so much is because by far and away these older members didn't consume alcohol. I say smoking is bad for people but it does have some benefits. I don't think anyone knows how much stress affects the heart and tobacco definitely relieves stress.

I've been using tobacco for over 40 years myself, I'm in good shape for a 60 year old man. You may not believe it but tobacco can make our body heal itself so I see it as putting something in my body that will help it heal, it has a blood thinner in it, do you know that, it helps prevent plaque from building up in my blood vessels. Tobacco can dissolve blood clots fast, so lesser amounts surely will help prevent them and this is what I am putting in my bloodstream.

If you've never experimented with it, you don't have a clue as to what it can do.

I agree tobacco has the capability to hurt us, you have to treat it with respect, just like the medicine you buy at a drug store but the medicine you buy at a drug store won't heal you nearly as fast as tobacco.

The American Cancer Society has a webpage up that said oral cancers and 6 times more common in people who consume alcohol than those who don't, it appears to have been taken down. You would have to take the percentage and break it down, drinkers-nondrinkers, to get the correct answer.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu8Ub.TNJgkEBqZ1XNyoA?p=alcohol+and+oral+cancer+american+cancer+society&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8

First one on the top.

Where's the big uproar about alcohol causing cancer?

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 08:59:26:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by PhillyLady [3423.5963] on November 30, 2008 at 17:22:42:

If people don't take the initative on their own, the medical profession will not slit its' own throat.

I don't know if you have read anything I posted on Pilonidal Cysts but I posted an article the other day that THE doctor who is apparently the foremost one on Pilonidal Cysts said that 99% of Pilonidal Cysts were not cysts at all, only abcesses yet the Pilonidal Board recommends surgery for everyone who has problems with this disease. Most of the people who come to that board have to have multiple surgeries, one guy had 14, now you consider how much this one thing is costing when you might take 25-50 cents worth of tobacco and it take care of it. Most of those surgeries have run anywhere from 3,000-20,000. Do you really think the medical profession is going to do anything about that????

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 09:07:11:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 08:50:17:

Come on Craig, don't run and hide. If you want to know about tobacco, I know tobacco. I have done some stupid things with it, but I am still here. I smoked it for 27 years, I chewed and smoked for 10 of those years and I've chewed it only for the past 15 years.

And in between, we've been using it for medicine for 22 years.

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BUT NOT FROM SMOKING IT CHARLES nmi

Posted by sonia [5538.1399] on December 01, 2008 at 09:12:27:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 10:46:13:

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 10:44:44:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 09:07:11:

"Run and Hide" ????? From what, some guy on an internet chat room espousing tobacco is good for humans?
Look pal, I don't care if you smoke or chew yourself to death (pun intended) but you ain't going to convince me that your family history supercedes what everyone with an IQ over 50 knows and that while tobacco may be good for YOU it pretty much sucks for the rest of it.The fact it has many healthy constituents means about as much as gunpowder has charcoal in it. Would you load your charcoal grill with Gunpowder? ........ well probably, but I think the whole idea might ..... blow up in your face, heh,heh.
PS Note I said if you use "topically" I'm OK but smoking/chewing ? Yikes.
BTW I thought this thread ws for how to QUIT dem smokes?!

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 11:24:26:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 06:40:17:

Hi Charles,

The Shrinks can't make any money off "slackers".. ;-)


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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 11:31:37:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 10:44:44:

Hi Craig,

let me guess... you also believe the "consensus" on Global Warming being caused mainly by Humans?

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Re: NY Water History

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 11:33:03:

In Reply to: Re: NY Water History posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 06:53:17:

Hi Charles,

I would guess it was shortly after the watermains went in.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 12:23:37:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 11:24:26:

That's funny but you are absolutely correct. :)

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Re: BUT NOT FROM SMOKING IT CHARLES nmi

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 12:32:07:

In Reply to: BUT NOT FROM SMOKING IT CHARLES nmi posted by sonia [5538.1399] on December 01, 2008 at 09:12:27:

Sonia one day I was talking to a guy who has AIDS and I told him he should put some tobacco on his body, that it really had healing powers, he told me he had been in experimental groups and the people in them had noticed that people who SMOKED were living longer than non-smokers. Now, I don't know it that is true or not but tobacco does have some punch against HIV.

AntiHIV EC50=200 ug/ml

You have to consider that it also revs our immune system up.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 12:49:10:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 10:44:44:

This thread isn't about dem smokes, it's about the chew.

I hardly think that my kin and the people who they married are Gods' chosen children. We should have people with mouth cancer galore.

This stuff can actually prevent mouth cancer. I have read that jagged teeth or dentures are also a cause of mouth cancer, tobacco is antiseptic, it also has chemicals that are cancer-preventive.

Cancer-Preventive 22 ppm
Antitumor 10 uM 2.9 ug/ml 200 ppm diet orl mus 7 uM ckn
Antitumor (Bladder)
Antitumor (Breast) 100-250 uM IC45=60 ug/ml IC50=125 ug/ml
Antitumor (Cervix)
Antitumor (CNS) IC43=45 ug/ml
Antitumor (Colon)
Antitumor (Colorectal) 500-10,000 uM
Antitumor (Forestomach)
Antitumor (Liver)
Antitumor (Lung) IC30=60 ug/ml
Antitumor (Ovary)
Antitumor (Prostate) 100-250 uM
Antitumor (Skin) 20 uM
Antitumor (Stomach) IC26=45 ug/ml
Antitumor-Promoter IC25=10 uM IC42=10 uM IC46=10 uM
Anticancer
Anticancer (Breast) IC50=125 ug/ml
Anticancer (Cervix)
Anticancer (Colon)
Anticancer (Forestomach)
Anticancer (Liver)
Anticancer (Lung)
Anticancer (Skin)

Here supposedly is the bad boy but he may not be bad at all. You may need something like that to get after the bad things that we encounter. If you have dead or damaged tissue, tobacco will eat it up but it won't affect the good. I know, I've seen it do it. Well it might damage the good BUT you will SUFFER SOME PAIN. Tobacco has powerful pain killers in it BUT THEY WILL NOT KILL THE PAIN TOBACCO CAUSES.

Carcinogenic 0.8% diet 2% (diet) 2% diet 40,000 ppm (diet) mus

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Re: NY Water History

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 12:51:28:

In Reply to: Re: NY Water History posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 11:33:03:

You don't think they had to go to a hydrant or whatever and carry it in the house themself.

Contrary to what you may think, most people had washtubs and wells, they bathed.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 13:11:46:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 10:44:44:

talk to a coupla dentists who've been in practice for awhile.... ask 'em about patients with oral cancers and chewing. EOM

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 13:19:10:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 11:31:37:

hi ron, i don't see much of a link here regarding my thoughts on Global Warming and what I think of Tobacco but I assume from you wanting me to relate my opinion you believe there is a lack of real evidence that smoking/chewing is not harmful? Gee, and I thought you were pretty smart until you constructed that one.
Hey, if everybody lit up at once do you think the polar ice caps would recede further ? HaHa

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 13:53:14:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 13:19:10:

Hi Craig,

"Hey, if everybody lit up at once do you think the polar ice caps would recede further ? HaHa "
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Maybe not, but the Global Warmists would insist that
tobacco be taxed at a higher rate due the Co2 that the smoker emits..

To that, I say, Carbon-Tax Joggers who breathe far more
often and heavily than a smoker.
(I heard that the Antarctic Ice has grown more this year than expected by the experts.)

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Re: NY Water History

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 13:56:17:

In Reply to: Re: NY Water History posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 12:51:28:

Hi Charles,

Ok, then let me at least identify the Gunslinger as a less frequent bather.


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Re: NY Water History (Old Croton Aqueduct)

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 01, 2008 at 14:06:16:

In Reply to: Re: NY Water History posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 06:53:17:

Hi Charles,

Here is a link that explains that only about 6000
houses were connected to the water source by 1844...

Must have been the politicianz who were awash in money


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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 14:48:18:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 13:11:46:

Did they say if they asked them if they consumed alcohol?

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 15:05:40:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by craig [8177.4304] on December 01, 2008 at 13:11:46:

I once saw a website that said, 75% of the people who get oral cancers use tobacco and alcohol but according the ACS, it's 6 times more common in alcohol alone and to me that should be 6 out of 7 and that alone would be 85%. But back to the other website, it said tobacco alone causes 15% and 10% do not use either. So if you have 10% getting it anyway, don't you think some of those ones in the other category would get it anyway?

Doctors blame any and everything they can on tobacco. I know of instances where doctors blamed tobacco and the people didn't even use it at all. The can blame it all on secondhand smoke all the want but my father smoked in the bed and my mother lived to be 90 years 10 months.

I have been healthier since I started chewing than I ever was before. I would switch to cayenne, their chemicals' activity are very similiar but that stuff sets my mouth on fire.

I'm surprised Vinve doesn't have people trailing him waiting for him to pass gas so they can lite their cigarettes. :)

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Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? WALT

Posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on December 01, 2008 at 21:30:13:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on November 30, 2008 at 12:59:39:

Ok,
I read the archives and came across potassium and sodium bicarbonate. It states that I have to get this mixed at a pharmacy?! I'm assuming you don't need a presciption. The archives also said 750 mg of each 3 times/day. Is that the correct amount? Lastly, why and how does this stuff work??

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 02, 2008 at 00:00:30:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 01, 2008 at 15:05:40:

Hi Charles,

"Doctors blame any and everything they can on tobacco. I know of instances where doctors blamed tobacco and the people didn't even use it at all. The can blame it all on secondhand smoke all the want but my father smoked in the bed and my mother lived to be 90 years 10 months."
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>>> Tobacco Risk Proponents would ask if your Father lived in the same house with your Mother?


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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by VF [12036.1399] on December 02, 2008 at 00:06:47:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on November 30, 2008 at 16:01:36:

I imagined he swallowed some of the wood. I'd rather swallow straw or hay.((

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions?

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on December 02, 2008 at 05:43:18:

In Reply to: Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? posted by Ron [5412.2287] on December 02, 2008 at 00:00:30:

Not the same house all the time, we moved a few times and not the same bed as they had a few new ones but they slept together in the same bed.

When my father died, they had been married almost 58 years.

I think smoking did contribute to his death.

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Re: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? WALT--archive in smoking.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on December 02, 2008 at 07:47:47:

In Reply to: Quitting tabacco..any suggestions? WALT posted by Charlene [8083.4628] on December 01, 2008 at 21:30:13:

Charlene,

No one really knows how it works but the prevailing theory is that it alkalinizes the urine and so keeps nicotine in the body longer. However, that does not explain it totally to me since that, alone, would not explain it's effectiveness.

Yeah, you have the dosages correct. It is an OTC substance. If you had an accurate balance scales at home you could buy each of the ingredients and make up the capsules yourself. The only reason the pharmacist is the way I would go is that he already HAS one of those scales in the store. Your best bet would be to find a "compounding pharmacist" in your town to do this for you.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Ron

Posted by Ron [3468.2287] on December 05, 2008 at 01:15:16:

In Reply to: Ron posted by Charles [448.2996] on November 30, 2008 at 20:49:32:

Hi Charles,

Isn't it strange that those 38 million have quit over the last 25 years or less and that co-incides with the
decline in the US economy?

Are we now simply living a lot longer and costing the system more to carry us? Hmmmm?

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