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Question about quitting smoking.

Posted by
YILDIZ on August 02, 2001 at 16:40:20:

Dr. Stoll,

You have said at one of your previous notes that sodyum and potassium bicarbonate would help quitting smoking. I have CFS. Would you think it would be fine for me to try them?
I also would like to make another note to you about the relationship of Hypotalamic activity and smoking. I was searching for herbs that would stop HPA axis overstimulation and I found out that nicotine was one of the substances that would stop this activity.I have lost the link now, so I can not give a referance.Interesting. Isn't it? Vicious circle for people who have over active HPA axis!!



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 04, 2001 at 09:05:18:

In Reply to: Question about quitting smoking. posted by YILDIZ on August 02, 2001 at 16:40:20:

Hi, YILDIZ.

One of the reasons that nicotine is so addicting is that it tends to blunt the stress-effect storage effects on the hypothalamus. SO, when one tries to stop, it is just like letting go the dam.

I have not heard of any problems taking sodium/potasium bicarbonate for any reason. By the way, since stopping smoking increases energy by an average of 10%, you may find your CFS dissipating just by this. Smoking is a potent producer of free-radicals.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by
YILDIZ on August 04, 2001 at 14:57:14:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 04, 2001 at 09:05:18:

Thank you Dr. Stoll.It is so difficult for me.Very upset about this.Whenever I try to stop I get messed up probably because of the hypothalamic over activity it causes.I am trying to continue SR which I believe will help in time.Thank you for all the information you have given us.

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Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by YILDIZ on August 04, 2001 at 15:02:58:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 04, 2001 at 09:05:18:

Dr. Stoll,

I think I could not understand what you mean by saying "One of the reasons that nicotine is so addicting is that it tends to blunt the stress-effect storage effects on the hypothalamus"

Sorry for taking your time but could you please explain it to me again.

Thank you so much..



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Raisa on August 05, 2001 at 19:07:59:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by YILDIZ on August 04, 2001 at 15:02:58:

Hi - I know that when I quit smoking, I became more alert and slept much better. But, I WAS extremely nervous and irritable for a few weeks. I think that the Hypothalmus controls all these emotions (?).
It took me a very long time to stop smoking. I found that if I always kept an unopened pack of cigarettes in the house, I felt much calmer. Then, when I really wanted a cigarette, I would go through all the reasons (a very long list) that I had decided to quit, knowing all the while that if I gave in to this stupid addiction, I would totally lose the battle. The intense desire for a cigarette wanes after a few minutes, and then it is up to your will to quit to take over. These desires become fewer and fewer. I thought of so many reasons to go back to it, and one time I did and was hooked again and had to start all over. To think that that stick of nicotine, tar, bad smell, etc. had taken over my life made me determined to stop--plus the fact that I knew that eventually I would end up either in a wheelchair with emphysema, osteoporosis caused by cigarettes, or some other thing they cause, or that I would get lung or bladder or prostate cancer. Was it worth it?
Not to me.
Sorry this is so long, but after I quit smoking l5 years ago, after smoking almost 2 packs a day (even in the middle of the night and first thing in the morning), I wondered why I let it go on so long. And my cough went away in one week and the small amount of weight I gained from my body's digesting food easier, etc. was well worth it. And now I
understand and don't condemn smokers, but I can tell immediately if someone is a smoker from the smell of their clothing and breath and I wonder how anyone who didn't smoke could stand to be around me! The end. Raisa



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 06, 2001 at 08:54:57:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by YILDIZ on August 04, 2001 at 15:02:58:

Hi, YILDIZ.

Listen to Raisa.

Think of your hypothalamus as a reservoir into which you are pouring 382,000 (at least) stress-effects every day. Those you cannot discharge by running or fighting, accumulate.

The nicotine serves like a dam to hold this effect from the parts of the hypothalamus that would pass on the changes to your bodymind.

When you stop smoking, you take away the dam.

Walt



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by YILDIZ on August 06, 2001 at 22:27:40:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by Raisa on August 05, 2001 at 19:07:59:

Thank you so much Raisa!Will always remember what you have said.



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by YILDIZ on August 06, 2001 at 22:29:46:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 06, 2001 at 08:54:57:

Thank you very much Dr. Stoll.You have always been great help.

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Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Raisa on August 07, 2001 at 09:05:11:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by YILDIZ on August 06, 2001 at 22:27:40:

Hi, Yildiz -
Now that you have made this commitment to yourself, please keep us informed! Each time you feel the need for a cigarette, just remember that the feeling will go away and take some deep breaths and do anything but think about lighting up. Also Keep telling yourself that you are going to feel so much better and healthier and stronger, and so relieved to be rid of this terrible hold nicotine has over you. I wish you continued good luck!!! Raisa



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by YILDIZ on August 11, 2001 at 14:50:48:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by Raisa on August 07, 2001 at 09:05:11:

Thanks Raisa,

I am sorry if I will dissapoint you but I must admit that i have not yet made a commitment.I will certainly inform you when do it.I am collecting data about it but I do not yet feel ready to commit quitting.

Thank you so much for giving support.



Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.)

Posted by Raisa on August 11, 2001 at 15:31:46:

In Reply to: Re: Question about quitting smoking. (Archive in smoking.) posted by YILDIZ on August 11, 2001 at 14:50:48:

Hi, Yildiz,
I understand totally because I went through that many times before I finally decided to quit. However, I waited too long because I had already developed bone loss and was on the verge of emphysema but I was only 35 years old. Fortunately for me, I started going to a new doctor who told me that if I didn't stop immediately, my husband and children would be taking care of me either because of lung cancer or emphysema or bladder cancer, etc. THAT is what made me decide to quit. I knew that they would know that I brought it on myself and would feel burdoned, and I would feel very guilty for causing all of it.
You must be young and willing to take the chance that perhaps you will be one of the few fortunate people who aren't bothered--and they are few. I hope you will be one of them. Good luck, and I mean that sincerely. Raisa

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