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Hi all,
I'm suspecting I may have a disc issue on my spine causing a pinching on a newve running through my buttox and down the back of my right leg.
After sitting for a while, I stand up and it is quite painful at times.
Wondering about things like stomach exercises (crunches), caffeine, and diet to help.
Thanks for any insights!
Ted
In Reply to: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 08:58:29:
Hi Ted, have you considered going to a chiropractor?
You probably hold up on any exercising for now. There is a chiro that posts, hopfully he will see your post.
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Barb [4658.1351] on October 23, 2005 at 09:20:28:
Hi Barb,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not very "into" chiropractors.
Exercise is one thing that brings relief, actually
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 10:05:24:
Hi Ted,
If sitting bothers your leg, it is possible that the sciatic nerve is being pinched where it passes through the Piriformis muscle.
If you can not stand and bend backwards without causing the pain, your back is probably the problem
Your knowledgeable doc can press with his thumb on the appropriate location on your pirifomis muscle and will probably be able to cause that pain..
Some people complain about such a pain, which can often resolve after they stop putting their wallet in their back pocket while driving.
You can look up "Piriformis Syndrome" for more info and also check my link below.
A shot of cortisone into that muscle will take the presure off that nerve.
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ron [2014.2318] on October 23, 2005 at 12:23:07:
Thanks for the link. I have no pain in my buttox at all. That is, when I press on all parts of my bottox, I can't elicit a pain response. That certainly doesn't rule out the sciatic nerve possibility, though.
I often have lateralized pain in my back and the leg in question is on the same side, and so I'mm assuming this is a related back issue.
I'm clearly putting pressure on a nerve somehow. I don't run for exercise. I walk and use walking -like machines.
I jumped on the herniated disc theory because a friend of mine with the exact same symptoms was diagnosed with this. His pain is through both legs, though.
Is there a way to tell if this is a disc related injury.
Thanks
In Reply to: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 08:58:29:
Hi Ted
The only real help I have gotten for my chronic crippling back pain came from a book called Healing Back Pain by John Sarno. I started reading this book, then I studied it. This book is not for everyone, but I "got it" and I have been pain free, completely for 2 years.
I have three herniated disks in my lower back, 2 bulging disks, stenosis and would get shooting pain down, generally my right leg into my foot and toes. I couldn't stand, I couldn't sit. My pain was real and was beginning to cause me to not be able to do my hobbies and life (horsebackriding and gardening, oh and sitting and standing and walking). I am not overweight and had consulted a back surgeon for possible surgery.Bad backs run in my family.I am 42 years old. Basically, I lived at the chiropractor and Physical Therapist. I am telling you this because it is important for you to know that I was being crippled by my back pain. I am not a devout disciple of any school of thought, I try to approach all I read with discernment and an open mind.
I wish you the relief and healing I have gotten from so many sources, as I apply them to my life and my circumstances, my gifts and my limitations.
My best to you,
Magpie
In Reply to: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 08:58:29:
It may just be a pinched nerve, anywhere - I mean buttocks can cause this...go to a chiropractor a few times and maybe a massage therapist; you'll probably feel quite good.
In Reply to: 2 years w/o back pain posted by Magpie [3206.1351] on October 23, 2005 at 13:09:28:
Thanks, Magpie.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 10:05:24:
You should consider getting more "into" chiropractors so you can have someone explain how problems AFTER sitting indicate sacroiliac joint problems with sclerotogenous pain rather than dermatogenous pain due to a IVD problem which would hurt while sitting. That would also explain why it feels better(for awhile) after exercise. You need a ortho/neuro exam and possibly x-rays to rule out other pathology and determine the specific pain generator and exact dysfunction leading to it. That will also give you a look at what things you may be doing over the long run to contribute to the problem.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
In Reply to: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 08:58:29:
Hi Ted,
I didn't read what others had to say. This kind of symptom can be caused by a tight muscle in the buttocks called the piriformis. The first thing I would do, if I were you, is go to a professional massage therapist and get some deep massage on your hips and see if it clears up or makes progress. You will know in one or two sessions. This is very common.
Chiron Dave will give you the chiropractor's point of view.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 23, 2005 at 12:34:57:
Hi Ted,
If you want to see the problem, an MRI should do the trick... Of course you could skip that and go for a few chiropractic adjustments to see if either helps or hurts.
The chiro should know exactly where to press on your buttocks to find the piriformis muscle.
You didn't mention if bending backwards caused pain in the leg.
Ron
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ron [1540.2318] on October 23, 2005 at 23:00:48:
An X-ray would do the trick......I would say an MRI is overkill. An MRI is anywhere from $1,500 on up depending on where you live....
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Barb [4658.1351] on October 23, 2005 at 23:53:45:
Hi Barb,
Do you think that an x-ray will show the pinching of a spinal cord and the soft tissue of the bulging disks?
Ron
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ron [1540.2318] on October 24, 2005 at 01:15:48:
Hi Ron, Yes I do, my husband had 2 bulging discs 20 years ago. All he had was an X-Ray. They have used X-Rays for years before the MRI came along.
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Barb [4658.1351] on October 24, 2005 at 09:11:04:
Thanks for all of the comments. I don't have any pain when I bend backwards.I had quite an aggressive week physically two weeks ago. Lots of lifting.
Now things are much better. Still some tingling behind the knee (even when I sit). I should probably take the groups advice and have someone take a look at it.
Thanks again.
Ted
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by ChironDave [1460.218] on October 23, 2005 at 17:32:58:
Hi Dave,
So because I don't have the sensations as much when sitting, a IVD is less likely.
I wonder about Piriformis. I read that Piriformis stretching would elicit pain if the Piriformis was involved. I did such a stretch (flexed right knee on ground placed to the left and essentially lay on the thigh) This did seem to "hurt", though not bad.Felt good afterward.
I'm not a runner, though, which led me to believe less in in Piriformis.
Thanks for the insights!
Ted
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 25, 2005 at 09:11:41:
Lumbar spine flextion(as in sitting) causes the IVD to bulge back toward the nerve tissue and would lead to radiating symptoms. That doesn't seem to be the patten in your case.
Piriformis muscles don't just magically tighten without reason. Injuries that runners sustain can cause them but more commonly they are contracting to support a joint dysfunction, such as the sacroiliac joint dysfunction mentioned.
Occasionally it takes more than just correcting that dysfunction to get them to stop contracting so some stretching tips and massage might help if it doesn't resolve within days of addressing the SI joint problem.
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by ChironDave [1460.218] on October 25, 2005 at 12:13:57:
Hi Dave,
I tried to see if I could irritate my SI joint by laying on a bed, with the right half of my body off the edge. Then I extended my right leg. I read that this would stress the SI joint. Nothing noteworthy happened. Doesn't rule anything out, certainly.
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by Ted [863.1836] on October 25, 2005 at 15:21:13:
One of the most frustrating things about SI joint problems is that they are harder to pinpoint because it generally feels good to move the joint. Only when you take it in the direction of misalignment does it hurt, and sometimes not even then.
Kinda like shaking a thumb you just hit with a hammer. It actually feels a little better.
In Reply to: Re: Back problem - shooting oain down back of leg posted by ChironDave [1744.14] on October 25, 2005 at 16:43:32:
lol! I know this thumb shaking thing!
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