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Hello,
I was wondering if you could tell me anything about relaxation induced anxiety? I think I have identified this as the culprit as to why I feel so bad now. I've been off the SR for almost 2 weeks and I am still feeling bad and had my first full blown panic attack (I thought I was gonna faint and everything looked like it was an illusion) out of nowhere when at a show last weekend. It would help to get as much info on this as possible. Thanks as always.
In Reply to: For Dr. Stoll posted by Steven [280.62] on February 25, 2004 at 17:28:38:
Steven,
In MY experience, it is rare and has ALWAYS disappeared if the person could be convinced to persist.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 26, 2004 at 08:01:31:
Thank you for getting back to me. This is a very tough time b/c I want to heal so badly yet I can't stand feeling this bad without knowing how long it will last. I have felt these effects for a month now and it's getting stronger.
Those you referred to in your experience with it, what did they do and how long did it take to stop with the side effects? I am thinking I might save up for a couple of massages. Would you recommend that? MOney is very tight so that is about as much as I can spend.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Steven [280.62] on February 26, 2004 at 09:51:45:
Steven,
The massages might help----especially if you explain your symptoms to the CMT before she treats you.
My patients just saw synmptoms like this disappear within a few weeks if they persisted.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 27, 2004 at 07:39:23:
I might just do that with the massages.
However, the thing about it going away in a few weeks kind of scares me as it has already been a few weeks and it's worse, not better. I have to speak with my chiro tomorrow (the one who wants me to try Centerpointe) and get his view. It's just so tough that someone so good for you would feel this bad all the time for so long. How are people expected to live their lives during that time? I can't even go anywhere b/c of these symptoms. Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Steven [280.62] on February 27, 2004 at 09:10:55:
Steven,
There is a lot of truth to the adage: "It is always darkest just before the dawn."
The more anxious you are the longer this will continue.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 27, 2004 at 20:12:44:
I agree with that statement. I REALLY want to get well. I wouldn't be spending so much time and money on these things if I didn't. I guess these side effects blindsided me. I was reading on here about how this is safe without side effects yet there I was, suffering and it continues.
It's been over 2 weeks since I stopped SR and the heat head feeling is still here. That full blown panic attack (I believe that is what it was but am not sure) came COMPLETELY out of nowhere and I am now hesitant to go anywhere that I am pretty far from home.
In case you didn't read the post last week, here is what happened from that post:
"So tonight, I was at an event. I was relaxing and enjoying myself. A few hours in, all of a sudden, I felt horrible. I felt almost faint in that everyting got especially loud, I got VERY warm, I feel like everything I was seeing was similar to an illusion. I'm guessing this was a panic attack but it came out of nowhere. I ate a bunch of stuff and regained my senses after about 2 minutes but felt kind of "off" all night. I have had anxiety attacks when very worried about something but nothing ever like this completely out of nowhere. I had eaten a couple of hours before so I wasn't on an empty stomach. I ate some french fries and had diarhea when I got home like 8 hours later."
Does this sound like a panic attack to you? I have never felt like that except for a few times many years ago when I was drunk and had smoked marijuana but they were rare.
As always, thank you so very much.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 27, 2004 at 20:12:44:
I have been having recurring panic episodes this weekend. It feels like my surrounding become overbearing and too much to handle, as well as slightly like an illusion. I would really like to know what this is and why it's happening, considering I stopped SR almost 3 weeks ago.
Also, I got the centerpointe and am going to follow their instructions and start tomorrow. Is this recommended with how I having these panic episodes more often now? Thank you.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, In addition to the last post posted by Steven [280.62] on February 29, 2004 at 13:35:05:
I forget whether you've talked about food. What are you eating? Maybe this sounds simplistic, but it's really not. Some foods can exacerbate mental symptoms and make your moods go haywire. It could be worth a shot to cut out wheat, which is one of the worst as far as affecting mood, for some people. You have already cut out sugar and refined carbs, right? Are you eating enough protein? Do you get hypoglycemic?
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, In addition to the last post posted by Jan S. [791.81] on February 29, 2004 at 14:35:11:
It's not food. I've been eating the same refind diet for about 5 years now and only during the SR did this start. I KNOW it's the SR whch opened this.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, In addition to the last post posted by Steven [280.62] on February 29, 2004 at 17:00:32:
Would you be willing to introduce another variable into your laboratory experiment - change the food anyway? You said "refined diet" - this is not ideal. Quite possibly since beginning the SR you're becoming more sensitive, and no longer tolerate foods that you used to, and require more supportive foods. This would actually be a *good* thing if the case. Just a thought.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, In addition to the last post posted by Jan S. [791.81] on February 29, 2004 at 17:37:37:
What I mean is that I eliminated everything that bothered my stomach when the IBS hit. It's not that. I think it is relaxation induced anxiety but wanted to get more info from Dr. Stoll about it before I proceed.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, In addition to the last post posted by Steven [280.62] on February 29, 2004 at 19:27:03:
Fair enough! I'll butt out the same way I butted in, and wish you well.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 27, 2004 at 20:12:44:
Should I then continue not doing the SR? GO back to Autogenics? Or start with the Centerpointe CD I just got. I really don't want to feel like this anymore. It's tough since I get so many different suggestions that it's tough to decide what to do now, which makes me more anxious. Talk about a catch-22.
I REALLY want to get well. I wouldn't be spending so much time and money on these things if I didn't. I guess these side effects blindsided me. I was reading on here about how this is safe without side effects yet there I was, suffering and it continues.
It's been over 2 weeks since I stopped SR and the heat head feeling is still here. That full blown panic attack (I believe that is what it was but am not sure) came COMPLETELY out of nowhere and I am now hesitant to go anywhere that I am pretty far from home.
In case you didn't read the post last week, here is what happened from that post:
"So tonight, I was at an event. I was relaxing and enjoying myself. A few hours in, all of a sudden, I felt horrible. I felt almost faint in that everyting got especially loud, I got VERY warm, I feel like everything I was seeing was similar to an illusion. I'm guessing this was a panic attack but it came out of nowhere. I ate a bunch of stuff and regained my senses after about 2 minutes but felt kind of "off" all night. I have had anxiety attacks when very worried about something but nothing ever like this completely out of nowhere. I had eaten a couple of hours before so I wasn't on an empty stomach. I ate some french fries and had diarhea when I got home like 8 hours later."
Does this sound like a panic attack to you? I have never felt like that except for a few times many years ago when I was drunk and had smoked marijuana but they were rare.
As always, thank you so very much.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused posted by Steven [280.62] on March 01, 2004 at 11:55:11:
Yes, Steven.
It does sound like a panic attack to me. The only thing that has worked for my patients is either finding the best type of SR for them, and persisting, OR considering learning self-hypnosis which will most likely involve paying an instructor.
The main reason I do not recommend this to everyone is that it does require an instructor and the other approaches do not.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 02, 2004 at 07:32:31:
I'm glad this is being archived as someone who has this same problem might have some info to go on, as I didn't at first.
Question, since this all started with the SR, will it eventually go away on it's own while I am off the SR?
One poster on this board directed toward another website that feels that it is a problem in my breathing. A different source recommends that some people SHOULD NOT do SR alone when they have relaxation induced anxiety as they tend to go into panic mode. Seems to me my options are very limited due to not having money. But if I were to occasionally work with someone on this, what kind of specialist would I look for? Particularly with someone who would really understand my panic situation as a result of the SR.
Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 09:50:04:
Steven,
I do not think that stopping the SR will help.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 03, 2004 at 07:10:31:
In the long run, no. But I need to deal with right now since I feel this bad.
I stopped the SR weeks ago so I can at least get a handle on these increased symptoms before I turn into an agoraphobic.
But have you heard of the breathing thing I mentioned as one of the posters here directed me towards that.
But if I were to occasionally work with someone on this, what kind of specialist would I look for? Particularly with someone who would really understand my panic situation as a result of the SR.
Thanks as always.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Steven [280.62] on March 03, 2004 at 09:24:20:
Hi Steven,
I hope you don't mind a comment from me here. If I were you, I would look in the phone book under biofeedback and see if you can find any practitioners who are psychotherapists specializing in anxiety. I believe these individuals would understand your situation.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Happygal [11.384] on March 03, 2004 at 12:57:59:
Yes and specifically Respiratory Psychophysiology. *biofeedback
Good Luck,
Lar
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Lar [1157.236] on March 03, 2004 at 13:17:47:
Lar,
I went to that website you mentioned and the doc there predictably wants me to buy his program as it's the "answer". I just can't do that like I said. Everyone thinks their product is the answer.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Happygal [11.384] on March 03, 2004 at 12:57:59:
I have been looking into therapists: specifically biofeedback and cognitive behavior therapy guys. But it's expensive unless I want to join some group and I don't want to do that.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Steven [280.62] on March 03, 2004 at 09:24:20:
Steven,
Listen to Happygal and Lar. Getting this kind of help IS expensive and only necessary because you are letting your anxiety get in your way. The breathing techniques are another thing to try that cost you nothing but effort.
I once had a patient with this who discovered that chanting was her answer.\
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 04, 2004 at 08:04:10:
All of this is helping, I think.
It's just upsetting that I am NOW stuck in this situation because I hopped into SR.
I don't want the anxiety to get in my way but how can I stop it?
Happygal suggested that I look for a biofeedback specialist, which I have looked around for but it is expensive.
The thing about trying things out is that now I am don't want to leave home (even though I feel anxious here). Those panic attacks are rough out there. This is not what I want to happen.
I've read that it's not safe for someone as anxious as me to do relaxation alone b/c I am fearful of "losing control" and this makes me even more anxious, which is what is happening. I always felt like I was falling in my sleep during SR which scared me to death.
I honestly don't know what to do.
In Reply to: Re: For Dr. Stoll, Im confused (Self-hypnosis vs SR) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 04, 2004 at 08:04:10:
I forgot to add to my other response (I'm very anxious and i forget things).
The breathing website guy that i was directed to, of course, wants me to buy his program, saying it will help, while I am wasting my time with looking for specialists and relaxation, which won't help. I believe the website is www.healingpanic.com.
Of course, his program is like 150 bucks too. I can't get a break here lol.
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