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Okay, I really thought that meditation and SR were the same thing! I am guessing they are not????
What is the difference? I have read the work book,Martha Davis, like yonks ago,but don't remember this distinction.
I normally will just fall into "meditation" naturally now when sitting for a session, whereas before Iwould use a mantra, or just breathing to get me there, now I guess my body just "remembers" how to meditate.
Although I notice that using relaxing music seems to help a lot.
I know walt says not to meditate right before sleep, but just a couple ofnights ago I did this (was having probs falling asleep for last few nights)
anyway, that night I had the best sleep. do you think that is just coincidence?
In Reply to: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 17:56:37:
Hi Ma,
I don't think it is a "vs" question. If we use the term correctly, sr is more of a blanket term and one of its forms is meditation.
I think meditation before bed is fine. Walt believes that you don't get the maximum reduction in stored stress from it if you fall off to sleep. But relaxing and using it as a sleep aid might help sleep as you said. You can also clear your head of some junk from the day or put some affirmations or instructions for your subconscious to work on during the night.
JMO ..yours may vary.
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Sounder [6920.2765] on January 19, 2007 at 18:29:14:
Thanks for chiming in, Sounder D. Rascal
still not sure what the diff. is between SR and meditation. i just thought meditation and SR were the same ting.
Walt told me ages ago that i had some self sabotage issues going on. Because I would be really good with meditation for a couple of months and then I would just stop, when it was really working.
but anyway, I had such a profoundly different sleep when I meditated before bed, as opposed to the other nights.
In Reply to: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 17:56:37:
Hi Ma,
Skilled Relaxation can be any one of a number of techniques or methods, including yoga, breathing, listening to music. Meditation is just one of them.
You can do SR before sleeping -- great if it helps you sleep better. Doing SR within 2 hours of sleep will not help your health condition, though.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 19:19:17:
From the glossary:
"Walt calls SR whatever technique works best for you to achieve The Relaxation Response" (4-12 Hz brain waves) among: Biofeedback, Meditation (all forms), Self-Hypnosis, Silva Mind Training, Autogenics, Breathing Techniques, etc. etc"
Self-sabatage is pretty common. I certainly have bouts of it. We are our own riddle.
Are you meditating at other times as well now?
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Sounder [6920.2765] on January 19, 2007 at 20:04:56:
How do you overcome the self sabotage?
Walt told me to pay a visit to a buddhist monk about it. never did do that, just thought he/she might think it's strange or something
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 23:45:41:
They are not 'different' one is just a sub-category of the other...
Meditation is one type of SR, like a duck is a type of bird.
There are many other types of birds...different yet all are birds!
So - the silva method, meditation, biofeedback, progressive relaxation, self-hypnosis - all are different forms of SR!
Hope that helps
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [2062.3211] on January 19, 2007 at 19:26:58:
How can sleeping better not help improve one's health?
In Reply to: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 17:56:37:
It's my opinion that people who do SR are in the infancy of meditation; and when SR "works" and folks who start to achieve what I would say is progress- are actually delving into the next step - Meditation.
True SR is "relaxing". Nothing more nothing less no matter how you look at it. Meditation is not actually about relaxing- it's about pushing yourself to a new level. One is (SR) more passive yet for people with anxiety, it certainly doesn't feel that way.
Once you can get to the "SR" stage you are on your way to being able to meditate.
Clincially, SR is not even looked at. Meditation is.
Differentiate between relaxation and meditation
Summary similarities between relaxation and meditation
Both about relaxing the body and clearing the mind
Purify the deepest levels of the mind
expand the conscious state
many of the health benefits obtained through relaxation also achieve through relaxation: decreased blood pressure, reduced stress, treatment of insomnia, and so on
Summary differences between relaxation and meditation
Relax mind vs. Strengthen/ focus mind, dynamic component of awakening
Letting go vs. Self discipline/ practice/ effort
Normally lay comfortable vs. Normally Sitting Position can be uncomfortable
Mind moves a place relaxing vs. Alpha/ theta states
Emphasis releasing stress vs. Emphasis focusing mind
Learn to withdraw from world vs. Learn opening up
You leave the Waking state of consciousness towards unconsciousness vs. remain in the Waking state of consciousness
Relaxation techniques are designed as treatments for particular disorders vs. Meditation is a means toward achieving personal growth and finding a system of values and philosophy of life, whereas (Kokoszka, 1990).
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by R. [1213.2854] on January 21, 2007 at 13:46:07:
R,
I am surprised that you would ask this with all that has been discussed on this website over the years about the difference between simply sleeping and effective SR. Of course "sleeping better" (Than what?) cannot help but be beneficial. However for those who want to reverse chronic illnesses sleeping better will not cut the mustard.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Meditation answered... posted by Michele [15.829] on January 21, 2007 at 14:45:27:
Thanks, Michele.
Walt
In Reply to: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 17:56:37:
Interesting comments from the archives:
In Reply to: Re: Meditation answered... Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on January 22, 2007 at 07:53:13:
Dr Stool,
Can we assume that since you archived this post, you agree with it, in opinion and fact?
In Reply to: Re: Meditation answered... Archive. posted by Sounder [6920.2765] on January 22, 2007 at 21:43:52:
That should be Dr Stoll.
In Reply to: Re: whoa, bad typo..sorry posted by Sounder [6920.2765] on January 22, 2007 at 21:45:16:
hi Sounder,
You know how he hates to be called Dr. stool...
In Reply to: Re: whoa, bad typo..sorry posted by lissa [2032.8] on January 22, 2007 at 21:48:02:
I wish there was an editing function, but that isn't going to happen.
In Reply to: Re: Meditation answered... Archive. posted by Sounder [6920.2765] on January 22, 2007 at 21:43:52:
Thanks, Sounder.
Yep.
By the way, I can tolerate nearly any misspelling of my name EXCEPT "Stool" :o).
Walt
In Reply to: Re: A Duh! Question on Meditation vs SR posted by Ma [4.3175] on January 19, 2007 at 19:19:17:
Hi Ma,
Could be that a half hour of SR before bed was less stressful than watching the 11:00 PM news spectacle.
In Reply to: Re: whoa, bad typo..sorry posted by lissa [2032.8] on January 22, 2007 at 21:48:02:
Hi Lissa,
The good doctor's favourite remedy is the root of this
common mistake.
I have wondered if we should call it the "Three Leg Stoll" to prevent any future misspeak.
He may be the "Doctor of Stool", but he sure isn't
"full of it".
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