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Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

Can a person get so good at SR and become so spiritually attuned and stay in such a relaxed/alpha/theta state that after a while little if anything will elicit the flight/fight response?



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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 16:02:45:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

For example, in the old Kung Fu series, David Carradine's character was so spiritually attuned that even in battle he would seemingly keep his cool.

I know sometimes we need the flight/fight response to survive, but sometimes it seems our bodies over-react with the flight/fight response even when it's not a life or death situation.

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Posted by Dan [9886.8065] on September 08, 2009 at 16:30:11:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

probably, if you devote your entire life to it.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Steve [10433.8101] on September 08, 2009 at 16:49:24:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

Your walking to your car after leaving the mall and it is late and dark. You see a mugger coming at you and you are sure he means you harm. You have two choices, stand and fight or run like hell. Instinct takes over and even if your 7 degree black belt and will stand and fight you are scared.

What SR has done for me is when someone cuts me off when I am driving I no longer get mad. So SR has prevented the problem from stressing me out.

Silver Fox!

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Lauren [7212.7813] on September 08, 2009 at 17:23:42:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

I think it would prevent it from happening when it should not be happening, but I think it is healthy to have the flight/fight response for true emergencies.
Lauren

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Michele [4954.6457] on September 08, 2009 at 19:20:47:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

You mean, you want to know if SR can be so good that if someone
pushed you off a mountain you would not be upset?
I highly doubt it.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.8083] on September 08, 2009 at 21:44:26:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

Hi Sapphire,

Successful SR keeps you from being in FOF ALL THE TIME.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by boney [965.8065] on September 08, 2009 at 22:19:41:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 16:02:45:

Agree! SR is to prevent the FOF from happening for every little or ordinary events when it should not .ITs not supposed to make you action less incase of real emergencies ofcors.:)

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on September 09, 2009 at 00:36:24:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Steve [10433.8101] on September 08, 2009 at 16:49:24:

Hi Steve,

A little tap on the horn can be educational...
just to remind the offending party that you
were offended.

A train Air horn is really effective. ;-)

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Nutmeg [4785.7783] on September 09, 2009 at 01:17:03:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

Hi Sapphire,

I've seen and met people who appear to be in some kind of unflutterable zen-like state all the time. Of course, unless you live with them or spent a lot of time with them, you wouldn't know for sure that they are always like that.

To me that does not seem like a very desirable or interesting way to live. Calm in emergencies and times of trouble is good, but coasting through life on another plane doesn't seem too worthwhile.

Just my opinion,
Nutmeg

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by VF [12036.4528] on September 09, 2009 at 03:55:52:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

can we be doing anything consciously and be in those states? I think that would prevent it. I think we can get close being aware of our surroundings, and experience will tell us what to be concerned about. When I am in a uncomfortable, risky, or potentially dangerous situation, I become alert, like we all probably do. I think we would have to be in a place that is very safe so we would not be alert. The body can be relaxed, but the brain would be going.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on September 09, 2009 at 06:46:09:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 16:02:45:

Sapphire,

It is the STORAGE of undealt with FOF that is the problem. Obviously, all immediately discharged (and experienced) FOF is not only necessary but healthy.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Stress & The Drug Myth

Posted by James [2174.8095] on September 09, 2009 at 08:16:51:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

In talking with Dr. Robert Sapolsky, one of the worlds most respected stress researcher he said that anytime you are going over 20 miles per hour you have exceeded the ability of the human brain to easily process the stimulus - leading to stress or physiological demand overload.

It is apparent that technology has built roads to less and less desirable places to go for humans. Medicine now understands that up to 85% of all primary care doctor presentations are stress related - SR and other methods of lowering the arousal level are critical.

Unfortunately our psychology and medical community has bought the chemotherapy myth to lowering arousal...and at great cost. Not a week goes by that I dont speak to a half dozen people that have had their lives radically altered (often for years or permanently) because of psyche and nervous system drugs.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Trish [296.2857] on September 09, 2009 at 09:38:43:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

YES!!!

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Chris [9734.8088] on September 09, 2009 at 09:40:40:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Michele [4954.6457] on September 08, 2009 at 19:20:47:

No Michele, I don't believe she was asking that. What it can do is eliminate a hyper-reaction response, such as obsessing over every ache, pain, or body sensation.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by ukchris [10820.8167] on September 09, 2009 at 09:53:39:

In Reply to: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 08, 2009 at 15:56:08:

Reminds me of the Tibeten monks who set fire to themselves to protest. I'd have thought burning to death would elicit some fight/flight response, but they seem to have bypassed it, such is the depth of their meditative state.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Steve [10433.8101] on September 09, 2009 at 10:12:06:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Ron [5412.1575] on September 09, 2009 at 00:36:24:

Blowing the horn only serves to let them know they have won and made me get upset. I won't give them that.

Silver Fox!

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive.

Posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:26:38:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on September 09, 2009 at 06:46:09:

"It is the STORAGE of undealt with FOF that is the problem. Obviously, all immediately discharged (and experienced) FOF is not only necessary but healthy."

Dr. Stoll,

It sounds like you're saying all FOF is either stored or immediately discharged.

When you say "immediately discharged", do you mean that literally, as in discharged within seconds after experiencing the FOF?


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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive.

Posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:27:23:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on September 09, 2009 at 06:46:09:

Dr. Stoll,

I know SR helps us discharge stored FOF stress during the SR session, but do those who are adept at SR become better at immediately discharging FOF, i.e. preventing the storage in the first place?

Sapphire

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:36:56:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by VF [12036.4528] on September 09, 2009 at 03:55:52:

Becoming very alert in a potentially dangerous situation seems good and healthy. Becoming terrorized unnecessarily seems counter-productive and harmful. It seems like maybe it's the over-reaction experienced over time, perhaps repeatedly, that is what causes harm to the body.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on September 09, 2009 at 14:05:04:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive. posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:26:38:

Yeah, Sapphire.

An example: you see a big rattlesnake in your path and run like hell. That is not stored in your hypothalamus. It is discharged appropriately by actually running.

Your spouse blows up at you and you do NOT "run like hell". That IS stored in your hypothalamus.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on September 09, 2009 at 14:09:32:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? Archive. posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:27:23:

Sapphire,

As SR moves one further from the edge of their cliff, each stressor will bother them less whether or not they actually discharge any stressor at the time. The problem is: the literally thousands of environmental stressors, that we are not even aware of, that cause the build up of FOF that we tend to deny even exists.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by VF [12036.4528] on September 09, 2009 at 16:13:42:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:36:56:

when I feel there is real danger that I can't avoid, I make sure I have a way to protect myself, or make it look like I do. At a wildlife preserve where birds will buzz you protecting their nest, I will carry a walking stick to wave over my head. On the street in an area I am leary of or when doing things like going to an ATM late at night, I look around before and after, and being impaired I always carry something. If something would cause terror, I would avoid it if possible.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by VF [12036.4528] on September 09, 2009 at 16:37:59:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:36:56:

not FOF situations, but I am not into cell phones, but got one to just use to call 911 for when I travel to very remote locations with an astronomy club, and carry it with other things I might need in situations when out, and one of the reasons to buy a new car was, to feel safer driving to them. After 9-11 I carried a lot of things that would protect me in possible terror situations, which I didn't believe were of a foreign origin. When I was lifting weights I brought a cordless phone to the room I was lifting in, and monitored my BP while lifting.

After 9-11 my sister had to fly to where her 3 kids moved to visit them. She had never flown before and was terrified, and driving wasn't practicle. Since she makes a lot of her own clothes, I told her she should make a fireproof, Nomex jumpsuit or clothes, which race car drivers wear, and bring a Scott Air Pack or O2 tank.

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Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response?

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.8083] on September 10, 2009 at 11:49:28:

In Reply to: Re: Can SR PREVENT the flight/fight response? posted by Sapphire [2999.8077] on September 09, 2009 at 12:36:56:

Hi Sapphire.

Correct.

Best wishes,
Jan

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