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Food Elimination Questions

Posted by KMD on July 31, 2000 at 00:50:08:

If a person eliminates certain foods from their diet (such as milk, wheat, and corn for example) while following the PWFD, how does one keep from developing sensitivities to these foods in future reintroductions and new sensitivities to even more foods? The more a person eliminates, the more foods they become hyper-sensitive to, right?

I want to avoid triggering more and more food sensitivities which can happen when eliminating some foods. And we are not talking about true food allergy here. But rather, a food causing any symptoms the same way sugar would when it has been eliminated for a period of time.

Hope this makes sense - I probably could have worded it better.



I want to add to this A BUNCH MORE QUESTIONS!!!!

Posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 01:00:32:

In Reply to: Food Elimination Questions posted by KMD on July 31, 2000 at 00:50:08:

1) Beth's book states that fresh and frozen fruits are allowed on the PWFD unless you are treating for candida. Walt says they should be eliminated lest withdrawal should go on forever. How long before one can re-introduce some fruits on a "test" basis?

2) Also, Beth's book states that milk and natural cheeses are fine on the PWFD. But I get the impression that Walt and others would definitely NOT recommend the consumption of milk products. There was some talk of milk substitutes in the archives, but soy was discouraged as being the culprit of the rapid development of new soy allergy and that rice milk's "brown rice" is actually a brown rice syrup thus a sugar.

3) SO, what's best for baking when milk is called for? For that matter, why is eating the EGG OF A CHICKEN not more absurd than drinking the milk of a cow?? And what about the new colostrum fad?

4) What did people do for baking over 100 years ago before they started using and drinking cow's milk?

5) I believe the "Yeast Connection" says you only need to eliminate fruit for the first 3 weeks of an anti-yeast diet. Beth's book says 3 months. Can one TRY fruit after 3 weeks and note if there is any reaction??

6) and now the BIG question: How much of a role does the STRESS of following the PWFD have in setting back the health benefits of following it? In other words, you are eating awesome healthy foods, but perhaps feeling much stress, discomfort, and unhappiness. This has to have SOME negating factor, right?



Re: A BUNCH MORE QUESTIONS!!!!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 01, 2000 at 05:50:39:

In Reply to: I want to add to this A BUNCH MORE QUESTIONS!!!! posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 01:00:32:

KMD:

The answers to (most of) your questions are already here, but good luck digging them out. So many similar but different questions have been answered and archived here that you could spend a looooooong time in the archives.

Let me touch briefly on just (6). YES! it can be very stressful in the real world - pick your applicable situations:, around real people, with real financial and time limitations, with required business travel, etc. etc. And stresses count Against you (more or less) the exact same way that PWFD counts For you.

But I guess like the movie stars who have someone carry around their little (probably BIG!) food/cooking suitcase and prepare ALL their food for them, you've just gotta get your priorities straight and act accordingly. No Wimps Allowed Around Here! Of course it may mean working a second or a third job in order to hire that live-in chef (and what about the exercise trainer and the Yogi-master, not to mention a comedian??), but surely it's worth it!

RHJ++



Re: Food Elimination Questions (Archive in LGS.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 01, 2000 at 08:09:26:

In Reply to: Food Elimination Questions posted by KMD on July 31, 2000 at 00:50:08:

Hi, KMD.

Are you functioning as my "straight man" or are you?

This is why I keep saying that resolving the LGS is the ony solution to sensitivities in the long run.

It is NOT the elimination of stuff that causes more sensitivities but the continues existance of the LGS. THEN, since eliminating commonly eaten foods makes one eat others more commonly, of course one will then become sensitive to foods that are NOW the commonly eaten ones.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Food Elimination Questions

Posted by
trish on August 01, 2000 at 11:59:11:

In Reply to: Food Elimination Questions posted by KMD on July 31, 2000 at 00:50:08:

Hi KMD,

You wrote, "The more a person eliminates, the more foods they become hyper-sensitive to, right?"

Nope! The idea behind eliminating the foods is to find out what you are already sensitive to. You just don't know that a particular food is causing problems, because it's being masked by other sensitivities.

Bob describes this like trying to find out which pollen you are reacting to. You can eliminate one or even three pollens, but if you're still exposed to 5 others you won't be able to tell a difference. Once you stayed in a room with pure air long enough to be clear of your reactions, you could re-introduce each pollen, one at a time, and THEN you'd know which one/s were causing the problems. The elimination of a pollen did not CAUSE the sensitivity; it merely allowed you to determine that a sensitivity was present with that particular pollen.

Hope this helps, and hope my formatting experiment isn't a bust!

trish



Walt's book, page 73

Posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 13:04:59:

In Reply to: Re: Food Elimination Questions posted by trish on August 01, 2000 at 11:59:11:

Thanks trish,

I am TRYING to understand this.

Walt's book page 73 states: "Obviously, we can identify which peptides are leaking and have the individual avoid those substances. That approach is the basis for most clinical ecologists' advice. Unfortunately, that means narrowing the experience the patient has of life. For example, if individuals start avoiding wheat and dairy, they will start eating something else to take their places. Since the immune system reacts more the more often there is exposure to any substance, soon the new food will cause the same symptoms. Eventually, the people find themselves living in a glass house, breathing filtered air and eating roasted platypus."

I can't seem to put all the pieces together in my head.



Re: Walt's book, page 73

Posted by
leon cavallo on August 01, 2000 at 13:45:26:

In Reply to: Walt's book, page 73 posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 13:04:59:

Without the benefit of the context, I get from that :

Most clinical ecologists try to treat the leaky gut by telling you to stop eating the foods they FOUND definitively were incorrectly getting out of your gut (and into your blood; when foods get into your blood incorrectly, they are exposed to your immune system and the foods become a problem for you ~> "allergy"). This incomplete approach tries to treat the substance of the immediate problem (the specific "allergy"), but doesnt get to the root of the trouble.

This makes for two problems. (1) It restricts your food choices, putting more stress on you to search for something new to eat in place of the food that casused the reaction...and if you were eating the bad food all the time, you may try to eat the new replacement food all the time too. (2) the second problem with that appraoch is that it does nothing to stop the PROCESS that makes you "allergic" to foods. Foods become a problem after the immune system is exposed to them again and again. That process continues with new foods too. A few foods had leaked through the gut and caused a problem in the first place, and new foods will leak through and cause a problem if you eat them a lot too. The immune system keeps reacting, because it keeps getting more exposure to foods. If you just keep narrowing your foods to address the problem , after a while, you will be able to eat and tolerate just a few substances.



Re: Walt's book, page 73

Posted by
trish on August 01, 2000 at 15:35:10:

In Reply to: Walt's book, page 73 posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 13:04:59:

Hi KMD - I think leon hit on the point I was about to make - though I only had time to skim his response. I believe Walt is talking about a scenario if the ONLY thing you do is restrict foods. That in and of itself will not stop the problems of LGS because any new foods will start to aggravate the immune system eventually because of the continued leakage of peptides.

However, if we eliminate our major allergens in order to give our body a chance to heal itself in conjunction with our other efforts - whole foods, SR, and exercise - THEN, the healing process can continue, sometimes to the point where a previously irritating food can once again be tolerated...is this helping?

trish



Re: Walt's book, page 73

Posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 16:03:43:

In Reply to: Re: Walt's book, page 73 posted by trish on August 01, 2000 at 15:35:10:

Thanks trish,

Let me see if I am putting the pieces together correctly.

If one cannot do the 3 legs of the wellness stool simultaneously and succeed, then perhaps one should start only with the SR. This, within a year, would heal the LGS completely, correct? With no LGS, then one could embark on the PWFD and NOT have to eliminate anything. Is that right?

After all, we are not talking about true food allergies, but rather the leakage of improperly digested proteins into the bloodstream that causes these "reactions".

So then, if a person has LGS and Candida, and does nothing for it except a strict PWFD (no fruit either) for 3-6 mos, s/he will have gotten virtually nowhere with this approach in the progress of eliminating the Candida and healing the LGS?

This seems to me to be a very important question to have clarified.



Re: Walt's book, page 73

Posted by
leon c. on August 01, 2000 at 17:39:45:

In Reply to: Re: Walt's book, page 73 posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 16:03:43:

its hard to come up with completely difinitive rules that apply to everybody. I had great success with ONLy the diet for almost three quarters of a year (before i knew enough about candida)....i found that nearly all of my OUTWARD SYMPTOMS (except the worst three) went away. but i was ABSOLUTELY scrupulous about following the diet (modified macrobiotic, whole foods, and eating right for my blood type )



Re: Taking it out of Context - you stopping reading too soon!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 01, 2000 at 19:22:07:

In Reply to: Re: Walt's book, page 73 posted by trish on August 01, 2000 at 15:35:10:

KMD:

Your quote from Walt's book stopped just before the explanation that you seemed to be looking for.

Just like you have to read the whole book, not just a single chapter, you need to read the whole chapter, not just one paragraph of the chapter.

Right after what you quoted, Walt says, " However, an alternative is to improve the quality of the intestinal lining so that there isn't so much leakage ..... SR 20 minutes twice a day for the rest of their lives.

Plus - In the meantime, one can improve the function of the gut somewhat by .... digestive enzymes ... replacing the normal colonic bacteria ... shortening the transit time .... and treating any parasites.

This approach has the advantage that the individual will experience a wider and wider exposure to life as opposed to the narrowing that is inevitable for the first approach if the first approach is all that is done. Of course, the ideal is to combine both."

Seems to me that the answer to your question was in the very next several paragraphs.

Sorry if I missed your real picture/question. (-: or if your Dog ate the rest of the page, so you never got to read any farther than what you quoted! :-)

RHJ++



Re: Walt's book, page 73

Posted by
trish on August 01, 2000 at 19:50:51:

In Reply to: Re: Walt's book, page 73 posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 16:03:43:

KMD,

I'll try to answer each point...

If one cannot do the 3 legs of the wellness stool simultaneously and succeed, then perhaps one should start only with the SR.
I think one needs to evaluate which leg is the most important in their individual situation, and start concentrating on that. You can still do the other two legs to whatever degree you are able, until you get a handle on your most important one.

This, within a year, would heal the LGS completely, correct?
No. We are all different. LGS is a matter of degree - after all our gut is SUPPOSED to leak. "Having LGS" might mean for you a 30% "inefficiency" problem, but for me, it could be 80% and we might call it Chrone's at that point...see?

With no LGS, then one could embark on the PWFD and NOT
have to eliminate anything. Is that right?

After all, we are not talking about true food allergies, but rather the leakage of improperly digested proteins into the
bloodstream that causes these "reactions".
But we MIGHT be talking allergies...right? We have to sift that information out.

So then, if a person has LGS and Candida, and does nothing for it except a strict PWFD (no fruit either) for 3-6 mos, s/he will
have gotten virtually nowhere with this approach in the progress of eliminating the Candida and healing the LGS?
This gets back to my response to your other post. In my own case, I feel that my success in getting rid of candida came from Nystatin, whole foods and SR. I don't think I'm completely cured even now of the LGS. I still have my rosacea, and get hives every now and then. The candida has not yet come back, however, and I'm still working on all of this! But, without clearing the candida first, my gut would still be compromised from THAT. I think you have to sort of simultaneously go after these things - healing one will help you heal the other. Bob does feel that eating appropriatly for your metabolic type will in time give your body the reserves it needs to get well...IF you're not a Fight or Flight FREAK and constantly totally stressed out. THEN you'd need to address the SR thing pronto. (see my response to your first point.) Well, this is all i got right now :-).

trish
p.s. thanks to Greg for the formatting lesson...



Re: Taking it out of Context - you stopping reading too soon!

Posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 21:47:36:

In Reply to: Re: Taking it out of Context - you stopping reading too soon! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 01, 2000 at 19:22:07:

Hi RHJ,

Rest assured, I have read the entire book more than once. The problem is, I have also read about 20 other books in the last year AND I have read boo-coo archives over the last month and a half. My brain is on hyper-drive I guess, and is having a hard time grasping certain points. It has been a few months since I actually READ Walt's book but lately I refer to it often (almost daily) when looking for certain info.

I remembered that passage (the one I quoted) more than any other, because it applies to my autistic son. So many people are cutting out casein and gluten from their diets as a treatment for autism. When I read what Walt wrote, it struck a chord with me, and cautioned me against food eliminations as being a possibility for more troubles.

I understand that one needs SR in order to heal the LGS. But I'm having some confusion as to how it all fits together. So if one BEGINS with PWFD, and has not yet mastered SR or exercise, then one is looking for trouble and the development of new food allergies (or intolerances). This is what I am getting, is this right?

I don't even know to what degree I have LGS, and I do not know whether I have C-RS at all. I am convinced my son has both and to a great degree. Especially after being on high-powered broad-spectrum IV antibiotics for 2 days in the hospital after a compound fracture and surgery.



Re: Walt's book, page 73

Posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 21:48:50:

In Reply to: Re: Walt's book, page 73 posted by trish on August 01, 2000 at 15:35:10:

That makes sense, although I am in a brain fog and would like to read all of these posts over again for a few times and process it all.



Beth's Book

Posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 21:52:21:

In Reply to: Re: Walt's book, page 73 posted by trish on August 01, 2000 at 19:50:51:

Beth's book appears to be misleading on several points.

She allows fresh and frozen fruits from the very start, AND she states that to get rid of candida just eliminate the fruits for the first 3 mos then try sampling some to see if you have symptoms.

Here's a question: If one eliminates ALL sugars from ALL sources for 3 months, even milk sugars, how can the little candida critters survive then??

Surely they can't live off of green veggies alone?!



Re: Beth's Book

Posted by
trish on August 01, 2000 at 22:42:00:

In Reply to: Beth's Book posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 21:52:21:

Yes, KMD, the book is a bit misleading - maybe just naive?

I think the book is an excellent starting point for those who need to understand how our diet affects us and how it is SO adulterated in most cases; but we know more now than when it was written. And for me, an HG, it is just not applicable as far as the diet recommendations go - the foods themselves, well it's a good reference for what's "whole" and what's not.

As far as yeast - I don't know if they can THRIVE on green veggies alone, but it's really hard to kill the ones that have already established themselves. They, too, are a matter of degree. They do and should occur in our gut naturally - having a "problem" with them is a matter of degree. Once a "dybiosis" or imbalance is established, it's hard to correct. There's only so much "real estate" available in our intestines. Once the yeast take up residence, we have to kill them first and then re-establish the good bacteria, so they (the yeast) can't move right back in.

I have a very dear friend with a high-functioning autistic son who's 7 now. I have yet to really discuss this subject with her - she knows about the wheat and milk, thing, but just can't bring herself to the tremendous effort that would be involved in changing her whole family's diet. I would be HIGHLY suspect of wheat if I were you.

trish



Re: Taking it out of Context - you stopping reading too soon!

Posted by Paulette on August 01, 2000 at 23:26:22:

In Reply to: Re: Taking it out of Context - you stopping reading too soon! posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 21:47:36:


Hi, Kathy

This is the reason why Dr Stoll advised me to do the one most important thing first. SR, then work on something else later.

The second thing I'll be working on is the E-Diet whenever I run out of excuses and crisis!:-)

Take Care Of Yourself

Paulette



Re: Eliminate 1, 2, or 3 (or 20!) foods and completely change your life??

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 07:09:06:

In Reply to: Re: Beth's Book posted by trish on August 01, 2000 at 22:42:00:

Trish said, "I have a very dear friend with a high-functioning autistic son who's 7 now. I have yet to really discuss this subject with her - she knows about the wheat and milk, thing, but just can't bring herself to the tremendous effort that would be involved in changing her whole family's diet. I would be HIGHLY suspect of wheat if I were you."

This is one I'm struggling with personally. I really believe that I personally would be better off without wheat. And/But wheat is pervasive in the US. Eliminate wheat completely, and you eliminate, I'm guessing, 95% of all food available in a grocery store, and 99% of all food available when eating out. So there goes life in the real world.

Ok, Sugar is bad for you, too. So eliminate sugar, as well as wheat. Remember all the 'oses and all the "hidden" forms of sugar. That eliminates some huge % of all food that was left as being OK.

Ok, Milk is likely bad for you. So eliminate milk and all milk-products, as well as wheat and all forms of sugar. That eliminates some huge % of all food that was left as being OK.

OK, MSG is bad for you.

OK, Nutrisweet is bad for you.

OK, Caffein is bad for you.

OK, the antibiotics in meat are bad for you.

OK, the pesticides on fresh fruit are bad for you.

Ok, hydrogenated and partially-hydrogenated fats are bad for you. So eliminate them. What's left to eat???

Pretty soon you're drinking spring water you hand-harvested with a pyrex beaker thru a stainless steel straw and eating open-fire-roasted free-range Platypus you caught and killed yourself, just to be sure it wasn't "processed". But put NO salt on it, because it just might contain a trace of dextrose to prevent the salt from caking in the box. That dextrose might totally ruin your past months and years of PWFD effort by re-innoculating you. :-)

The whole food elimination thing looks like a stressful, slippery slope to me. I'm scared to even approach it, but I don't like the way things are as-is. Wimp? perhaps, but still open to a better way.

Of course, if I could just eliminate Snickers bars, that would be a start!

RHJ++



Re: I want to add to this A BUNCH MORE QUESTIONS!!!! (Archive in diets.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2000 at 09:57:07:

In Reply to: I want to add to this A BUNCH MORE QUESTIONS!!!! posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 01:00:32:

Hi, Kathy.

Some simple answers to your questions:

1. Most people will get away with including fruits in their diet but some will not. Is it worth the risk? MY decision [for myself] was that I wanted the most assured results in the shortest time.

2. Don't mix apples and oranges. The milk and eggs are a part of the e-diet (allergy) and have nothing to DO with the refined carbohydrate elimination diet.

3. See the many recipe books for dairy free, egg free, etc., cooking available in most healthfood stores.

4. ibid.

5. Before 3 months, IF one has been having an immunological response to fruit (etc.)--the cause of withdrawal--the trigger would set the person back almost to day one for resolving the problem. AFTER the 3 months at least the person has a chance of only having withdrawal for a few days following finding out that they still cannot tolerate whatever. After 6 months, the chances finally are far above 50% of only having a short term reaction with no loss of the total time needed to resolve the problem.

6. THIS IS WHY I suggest being so perfect with this in the beginning. Anything that goes on more than a week without results (sufficient to more than make up for the bother) is intolerable in MY estimation. SO, it is worth being more stringent than might be necessary for that person in the beginning! Once one has results, they can always start experimenting to see what part is needed to continue. Most people feel so good as to not want to take the chance of relapse and starting over but it is choice.

Hope this helps.

Walt



The incredibly amazing story of my life....

Posted by
trish on August 02, 2000 at 10:14:24:

In Reply to: Re: Eliminate 1, 2, or 3 (or 20!) foods and completely change your life?? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 07:09:06:

Jim,

I don't eat wheat, sugar, and have VERY little dairy. I exist IN THE REAL WORLD. I work, have a home, car, electric bill, scary boss, aging parents, etc...I am moving to another state soon and completely changin my life...I have most of the same stresses you and others must live with, maybe more in some areas, maybe less in others.

I was "perfect" for about a year and a half maybe. I was motivated because I was scared. I had candida and LGS and found out all the complications those conditions could cause. I started with Chronic Fatigue and didn't want to go any farther down that slope. I made an effort, and it paid off - I will do it again soon - be "perfect" I mean. It's really worth it.

Now, I eat vegetables, meat and fruit. Fresh stuff. I drink water, sometimes wine or other alcohol, and struggle with caffiene because I love coffee. I buy RealSalt so there's no dextrose in it - that's not so hard. (BTW, salt is just fine for HGs.) I have made health my hobby. When I find a brand/product that's "safe" to eat, I know I can buy that one. You only have to read the label once.

Every so often when I go out to eat, I get dessert.

When I shop at the grocery store, I can SKIP most of the aisles - my trips are short - that's a stress reducer for me. I look at what most people have in their carts and realize that it's not food. So, you're right - 95% of the NONfood in the grocery store is eliminated. What's left? you ask = FOOD! Fish, seafood, chicken, beef, lamb - I don't eat pork, but I suppose you could do that if it helps you. I cruise through the produce section, go to the meat counter, get some bottled water, and I'm outta there.

and YET...somehow, I continue to LIVE!

Amazing! :-)
trish



Re: Putting it all together, s l o w l y

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 11:31:24:

In Reply to: Re: Taking it out of Context - you stopping reading too soon! posted by KMD on August 01, 2000 at 21:47:36:

KMD:

Sorry if I wasn't any help. Glad you read it all, and much more!

Glad you are trying to pull this all together. I've tried for some time and, like you, have so many bits and pieces down pat, at least in my mind, but no coherent big picture, besides "Wellness is GOOD for Everything and Everyone!". As always, it all depends on the individual, their heredity, their life history, accidents, rogue electrons, chaos theory, etc. etc.! The responses always vary some with the individual, regardless of the causes. And everyone thinks and acts a little differently from the rest of us.

I hoped earlier and asked here for any help finding or creating diagrams how this stuff all fits together, what's most important, etc. No luck so far.

One thing I especially hoped to find or to make was a diagram how stress gets "stored" in the hypothalamus and what happens as a result (LGS etc.). Found absolutely nothing so far useful on that one. Found plenty of medical texts stuff on the hypothalamus, where it is, what it does, etc. but nothing about what happens when it gets over-driven (whipped to death!) over a long time, at least nothing that I could readily understand, or a diagram of it working/not working due to "stress" overload. And then something showing how SR "releases" this accumulated stress (where it actually "goes") and how the hypothalamus "comes back" would be wonderful! But no luck so far on any of this.

Hang in there!
RHJ++





Eliminate Everything!

Posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 13:03:18:

In Reply to: Re: Eliminate 1, 2, or 3 (or 20!) foods and completely change your life?? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 07:09:06:

Thanks RHJ,

I LOVED your post, this is your best one ever in my eyes. I got a good chuckle. It seems this is exactly how things are going. The more I try, the more I am being alerted of new no-no's. I'll let you guys know when I find my own place in the world of food!

As far as the recommendations for eliminating all casein (milk products) and (gluten) wheat products but also nearly ALL grains, you are exactly right with this being EXTREMELY difficult and EXTREMELY limiting. In fact, I find that the parents who do eliminate milk replace it with juice and kool-aid exclusively and kids overall (with the food choices that are left) are eating a very limited and unbalanced diet full of sugar.



Re: Eliminate Everything!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 13:14:35:

In Reply to: Eliminate Everything! posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 13:03:18:

KMD:

Become a Breatharian! (NOT!)

Glad you enjoyed my post.

Eliminating just one thing like wheat, not to mention all grains, is terribly limiting, IMHO. And if you try to eliminate several..... don't get me started!

Hopefully others here who have succeeded with eliminating what did not suit them will chime in with what works for them.

You make a good point about eliminating something and replacing it with something perhaps even worse, like trading milk for sugar water. We need replacements that are "better", not worse. But even something as simple as water can be problemmatic. I'm now drinking filtered water mostly. My wife really likes the taste of filtered water better than tap water, but she still wants her cokes. She recently bought some flavored spring water. I don't know what's in it, but I cannot imagine that it's actually better for her than spring or filtered water. But she simply gets tired of ordinary water, so this offers her some variety in flavors.

Hang in there. Hopefully you will feel better in a few more days, and you will have learned some good stuff in the process which will help you in the future.

RHJ++



Re: The incredibly amazing story of my life....

Posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 13:20:22:

In Reply to: The incredibly amazing story of my life.... posted by trish on August 02, 2000 at 10:14:24:

Thanks trish,

You have come a long way. How did you determine that you had candida (and LGS), and the degree to which you had it?

If you do make your own whole-grain (non-wheat) breads and/or muffins, etc, what type of milk-substitute do you use? What grains do you eat, if any?

All people would do well, just for starters, in swearing off the fast-food restaurants, the boxed dinner helper mixes, the sugar-coated cereals, Pop Tarts, the plastic cheese singles, the white breads, and all the etc. that is overly processed, overly sugared, and filled with all kinds of foreign substances.

If everyone could start there, how much healthier would the population be?



More stories...

Posted by
trish on August 02, 2000 at 15:08:02:

In Reply to: Re: The incredibly amazing story of my life.... posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 13:20:22:

Hi KMD,

I forget sometimes how far I have come. Thanks for reminding me. :-)

I went to the doctor since I was feeling so bad and trying to eat a good diet (vegetarian!! Can you imagine?). I had brain fog, fatigue, weight gain, the works. I had heard of him through some health food store people. He immediately put me on the "O" diet which is akin to the HG diet. He also tested me right away for candida. He did it with bloodwork - Antibody Assays Laboratory does the Candida Immune Complexes test, they have a website. I bet you could ask your doctor to order it and do it.

I'm not sure which lab did the test for LGS, but he tested me for that later on, after we argued about whether or not I had "allergies" and I claimed it was probably LGS - BTW, I learned that HERE from Walt! - since I had candida, I KNEW I had LGS - Thanks, Walt! It was fun watching him read the results and say, "Hey, you're right, you DO have LGS!"

Both of these test results were actual numbers, though I don't remember off the top of my head...I think the LGS was greater than "1" so I had it. I can look them up if you want. The doc also prescribed Nystatin.

As far as grains, I basically only eat rice. Mostly brown, but white too. I have, on occasion, at a restaurant known for their excellent buscuits, had some wheat - I don't have reactions to speak of, but wheat always give me gas, and I have it so seldom now that it really bothers me. I mean the gas. I also eat whole rye bread on ocassion - from the health food store. But not too often, like I said, the gas bugs me, so my bread/muffin days are few and FAR between.

My skin has improved tremendously - my cellulite went away about 6 months after I cut out the dairy - really. I sleep much better and have more even energy now. I notice that usually I wake up with clean breath, too. I can think straight again. Little things keep happening that I realize aren't bothering me anymore - my nails are stronger. My bruxism seems a LOT improved - don't wake up with the pressure in my temples from grinding so hard all night. People think I'm much younger than I am.

It is worth the effort, KMD. It gets easier as time goes by to stick to some sort of discipline, too- I'm not perfect, but I know and accept the consequences of my actions.

Since I'm stressed a lot more lately, I have fallen off the wagon a bit more - I've put on about 5 pounds I don't want. I know when things settle, I'll get a better grip on it and the weight will go away and I'll feel better.

I am strictly following 1/2 hour 2x/day SR now to try to combat the additional stress. Right when I get up in the am and IMMEDIATELY when I get home (okay, I let the dog out and look at the mail first).

Keep your chin up. It's a matter of figuring out the puzzle, that's all. Pieces will continue to fall into place.

trish



Hey, I almost forgot - how was the massage??? nmi

Posted by
trish on August 02, 2000 at 15:11:37:

In Reply to: Re: The incredibly amazing story of my life.... posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 13:20:22:

nmi



Re: More stories... - Thanks for sharing them!

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 15:27:46:

In Reply to: More stories... posted by trish on August 02, 2000 at 15:08:02:

Trish:

Thanks for sharing your stories and this addendum.

You mentioned gas from wheat. I used to make some really good whole wheat bread using my bread machine and the recipe in Beth's book. But I found it gave me much worse gas than any store-bought bread of any color or description. Gas Lethalle! That was a clue that perhaps wheat is not that good for me, even whole wheat. So I've not made that for some time. I probably will use up the rest of my whole wheat flour out in the freezer someday and then call it quits on that. Sad, but true.

You mentioned thinking straight again. I sure could use that! My thoughts weave and bounce around way too much to suit me.

I sure hope and imagine that Walt will archive your testamonials.

Thanks again!
RHJ++



What is IMHO? And for that matter, what does "et al" mean? NMI

Posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 16:03:27:

In Reply to: Re: Eliminate Everything! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 13:14:35:

IMHO?
et al?



What is IMHO? "In My Humble Opinion" And for that matter, what does "et al" mean? "and others" NMI

Posted by trish on August 02, 2000 at 16:11:10:

In Reply to: What is IMHO? And for that matter, what does "et al" mean? NMI posted by KMD on August 02, 2000 at 16:03:27:

nmi




Brain fog...

Posted by
trish on August 02, 2000 at 22:27:40:

In Reply to: Re: More stories... - Thanks for sharing them! posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 15:27:46:

Jim,

The brain fog was the worst thing of all. I was beginning to think I was stupid or had brain damage or something - things have always come easily to me, but suddenly I was screwing things up at work, forgetting stuff, and finding it just hard to keep it all straight. It was scary. I figure it took a good six months or more before I started to feel better in that area.

trish




GREAT! Very deep, somewhat painful, totally terrific!! (NMI)

Posted by KMD on August 03, 2000 at 01:05:42:

In Reply to: Hey, I almost forgot - how was the massage??? nmi posted by trish on August 02, 2000 at 15:11:37:

:o)



Re: Putting it all together, s l o w l y (Archive in stress.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 03, 2000 at 10:27:33:

In Reply to: Re: Putting it all together, s l o w l y posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 02, 2000 at 11:31:24:

Hi, RocketHealer Jim.

When one turns out the light, where does the light go?

When a motor is turned off, where does all the action & noise go?

A normal human hypothalamus functions in a certain way. An altered hypothalamic function (from the accumulation of stress-effect storage) functions in a totally different way. SR discharges this storage at a certain rate and allows the hypothalamic function to return to normal. Where does the "stress" go? (Selye)

Walt



Re: Durn, I liked the 'old Fluid theory of accumulated stress better

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 03, 2000 at 10:38:49:

In Reply to: Re: Putting it all together, s l o w l y (Archive in stress.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 03, 2000 at 10:27:33:

Walt Thanks!

But really I liked the old "fluid" theory of accumulated stress better.

As the stress accumulates in the hypothalamus, it gets bigger and bigger, like a balloon filling up with a fluid. Over time with too much stress accumuating, it gets so big that the rest of the brain gets squeezed out/down the spinal column and then expands out in funny places all over the body. If the accumulation of stress continues too long and/or at too great a rate, then like a balloon, your brain simply explodes! Now that I could make a diagram of!

RHJ++



Re: More stories... (Testimonial for LGS and SR.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 03, 2000 at 10:45:23:

In Reply to: More stories... posted by trish on August 02, 2000 at 15:08:02:

Thanks, trish.

Your testimonial will help others struggling with LGS and SR!

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Brain fog...

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 03, 2000 at 16:34:44:

In Reply to: Brain fog... posted by trish on August 02, 2000 at 22:27:40:

Trish:

Thanks!

Eliminating brain fog sounds to me like the most important thing (to me) that could come out of practicing Wellness.

I've done a little reading in the archives about brain fog, looking to see what most likely causes it and what's most likely to help relieve it. Too many archives to read them all, but it looks like tackling one's LGS etc. is one profitable avenue. And doing their SR, too.

An edit-down of something I found in the archives seems to me to sum it up:

"Your brain fag is due to chemical reactions in the brain chemistry due to the LGS peptides triggering immunological reactions (leaky gut & perhaps leaky Brain!). HOWEVER, your bracing of head & neck muscles MAY be reducing the OXYGEN & NUTRIENTS supply to your brain through locking of the natural skull bone pumping movements. 75% of all nutrients to the hypothalamus get there via the cerebrospinal fluid which ONLY moves by this pumping movement."

So eliminating bracing would seem to have a big effect on solving brain fog.

Please let me know if I'm too brain-fogged to understand this! :-)

Anyway, I now have one more strong motivator to do what I know to do!

RHJ++



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