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Hi,
Can somebody please back me up in saying that stress causes disease? And that stress lowers immunity? I think it's pretty obvious. BUT, I belong to another site and I'm getting really upset on this one thread b/c there are people who keep shooting down the idea that stress causes disease.
Grace
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
call them ignorant and move on. lol
Why let it "stress" you out?
BTW I found something earlier that gabriella (I think about her once in a while and wonder how she's been) posted before. Maybe it will help.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/stress/SR00001
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
Seriously Grace,
Dr. Herbert Benson's work on Stress, and Skilled Relaxation is well respected even by the allopathic medical community.
There is no argument that stress can't make one ill in ANY school or anywhere else, so what are these people arguing?
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
Stress does not cause disease but low coping mechanisms may. Faulty coping skills certainly doesn't help being well, that's for sure.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Michele [20.829] on September 30, 2006 at 15:02:57:
I disagree. The body physically responds to stress regardless of how well you do or don't cope with it.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by lissa [2032.8] on September 30, 2006 at 15:04:05:
I think that say, you or I, would percieve different things as "stress"...so it's hard to define what "stress" IS to me. I think it's really down to coping.
I know people with a sh t load of money who "Stress out" when they can't get a five star hotel room. That would not cause me stress. I'd be thrilled to just go away on vacation. Yet someone else would BE stressed to go on vacation.
That's what I mean. It's hard to define stress, but if you "feel" it is means you percieve it and experience that situation/word/whatever and how you handle it is another thing.
People for instance, can have a death in the family and one person will cope much better for whatever reasons (coping skills, resources,etc) and someone else will just fall apart, go into depression and so on. The stress is actually the same, but the perception and coping is different.
In whole though - not being able to deal with something is going to cause someone to eventually rot.
In Reply to: True and not true posted by Michele [20.829] on September 30, 2006 at 15:14:09:
Don't argue with me! I have you know what! LOL LOLOLOL
Gotta run - husband is making me tea and setting up the whiner blanket so I can watch TV :)
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
I know for a fact stress lowers my immunity. I don't often contract a cold or virus but I know without a doubt when I do it's after a stressful period.
My SIL was recently ill with bronchitis which was brought on by stress due to a home invasion of which she and her young daughter were a victim of. Her doctor told her the stress lowered her immunity which is why she became ill within a week afterwards.
BTW I remember hearing some man on the radio talk about stress. He says stress=fear. Fear of failure, of what people will think of you,of not meeting expectations and so on. He claims all stress is actually a fear of something which may be why people vary so much on what stresses them out. It's individual fear.
In Reply to: True and not true posted by Michele [20.829] on September 30, 2006 at 15:14:09:
I think you're saying some conflicting things. You're saying at first that people define stressors differently, but later you say that "the stress is actually the same," as though stress is a universal definition. It is NOT. What one person considers stressful, another person may not. That is not the question I was posing though. Whatever causes stress in somebody, I was wondering if stress causes disease. Your first statement is correct, we all define stressors differently. I might find being late stressful, whereas you might not mind being late at all. But take something that we both find stressful. I'm just wondering how that same stress would effect us disease wise. And I'm wondering from the standpoint that we both handle the stress the same way (ie, we both internalize it). I do know and understand that we all cope differently. And that does make a difference in our health... ie, the one who internalizes will be far more unhealth (all other things being equal) than the one who practices SR regularly and releases that stress in other healthy ways.
So really, I just wanted to know, bottom line, if stress (whatever each individual considers stressful is irrelevant) causes disease, with all things equal (especially coping factors). I think yes it does, but like I said, I'm running into people who think stress has nothing to do with it, that disease is random.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by lissa [2032.8] on September 30, 2006 at 14:19:03:
Thanks Lissa..
Funny thing is, I did say their comments were ignorant. I think I might have offended a person or two. I just get a little fired up when people say things like disease cannot be prevented, and that stress has no effect on health! It irritates me that people think that health is that random and they can eat or do whatever they want and it doesn't matter.
I have a friend whose son has lymphoma and she went to mcdonalds yesterday to get him a hash brown. Sorry to make that random comment, but I was upset that she still thinks that the food he ingests doesn't have an impact on his health.
Grace
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
maybe link them to some of Walt's articles on health here. The modern interpretation of stress, the article about rabies, the sugar and immunity article - all of them illustrate the connection in a different way.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
stress uses up a lot of B vitamins, leaving you depleted and malnourished, which would make you more susceptible to disease. It causes additional adrenalin to be released. Since studies have shown that laughter, prayer, positive thinking, and meditation all have positive effects on your health, stress would be something that was happening instead of those positives, making a relative negative.
Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes- viral, not lifestyle) is most often diagnosed in the Fall. Scientists theorize that this is because the new school year is stressful and depletes the last of the person's reserves.
It's also known that 'will to live' makes a difference in the outcome of medical care- that some people actively desire to stay alive and others give up. I would assume that people who stress easily would be more on the giving up side-that part of stress comes from a sense of helplessness and not feeling in charge of one's environment.
Would recommend supplementing B vitamins when stressed and cutting out the junk food (which fills you up without providing the vitamins your daily intake should).
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by D [465.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 15:44:20:
Hi D. I know my digestive problems are far worse during and after a stressful time.
It's also very interesting what the man you mentioned says about stress=fear. One of the greatest causes of my stress is never knowing whether I'm going to be able to keep appointments, social engagements, etc., because of having CFS. My terrible days are completely unpredictable and I'm always having to cancel all sorts of appointments. I feel as if I'm in a constant state of fear/stress due to this uncertainty which many people do not understand.
I'll have to give this more thought and come up with a possible solution. Thanks for this valuable insight.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: True and not true posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 15:58:32:
No way! You took a line and didn't put it in context. When I said, "The stress is actually the same" I meant the SITUATIONAL STRESS is the same; ie, I was speaking of the death of someone.
Death IS stress for most. How stressful, well, that is where it differs.
For instance. Not everyone who viewed or experienced Viatnam is suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. Explain that? Easily explained. They COPED differently, thus their INDIVIDUAL stressors were different.
Just check the APA website; it will maybe show you in clearer terms the difference between a stressor and stress, and how perceptions mold each.
...to answer you in the bottom line - if ALL things are equal. If two people are exactly the same (impossible) but in fantasy land, let's say you are totally equal in experiences, resources, etc., then one stressor may or may not - cause disease.
How do I know this? Because plenty of health nuts get ill. Because plenty of people who are stressed out live long lives to tell their trials and tribulations.
It's just common sense.
Stress CAN be a contributor. Just like smoking. But just like smoking, or sugar, or anything that anyone deems negative; no - it will not "CAUSE" disease. It can contribute given the right (or wrong!) circumstances.
Just my opinion. Doesn't mean it's right - or wrong. Just is.
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
Eustress is positive.
So I'd think that the "stress" of seeing that you got an A on a test you thought you failed would hardly cause disease.
DISTRESS can wear you down sure - as many outlined (B vitamins and such) but so can running a race (zap your resources) so... I have yet to hear that exercise can cause disease :)
In Reply to: No way! posted by Michele [6.829] on September 30, 2006 at 20:22:00:
Okay, I know that not everybody will fall prey to disease. I say that in a blanket statement b/c we all are exposed to stress/stressors in our lives, and cope differently. Whatever.. like I said, this wasn't a question about coping styles. I know that some people live long disease-free lives even though they are exposed to stress, but I also know that they probably also have a much stronger genetic makeup than most of the population. I do not wish to include these genetic superstars in my questioning.
The fact is, most of us have some sort of health issue or another (and some of us will live longer than others b/c of medical "advances" that apply to our health issue), that is caused by stressors in our lives.
I didn't take your line out of context. I was merely pointing out that at the beginning you were talking about the fact that people's consideration of what is stressful and what isn't differently. And then later you were talking about stressful situations as though it were universally defined, and how we cope with it. ANYway... it's all semantics.. I'm really tired now and don't want to argue, to tell you the truth.
What I'm confused by is the fact that you seem to believe that genes play a much greater role in our health outcomes than lifestyle, and that you are a regular visiter to this site. Maybe I'm wrong. If so I apologize for that statement. All I know is, if I were that unsure about whether stressors in my life woujld have any bearing on my health, I don't think I'd be a regular visitor to this site. My hope is that the lifestyle choices that I make will make a huge impact on my life!! Not just something that is like a roll of the dice.
Grace
In Reply to: "Stress" is not always negative. posted by Michele [6.829] on September 30, 2006 at 20:23:45:
I think exercise (such as running a long race) can "run you down" in the sense that your body is exhausted, but that is a short term effect. You sleep, and your body and muscles recover, while your immune system is revved up. It also acts as a detoxifier b/c of all the sweat that is released during your exercise.
I don't really understand why you'd call that "stress." I think the only situation where exercise/exertion could cause "disease" is if you have a bad heart. Otherwise why WOULD it be stressful?
In Reply to: Re: "Stress" is not always negative. posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 22:02:19:
Actually moderate excercise revs your immune system (it increases nk cells for instance). Over excercising 'can' actually do the opposite, lowering your immune system. There are studies on it if you google it.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Naya [2016.14] on September 30, 2006 at 19:24:44:
Hi Naya,
It really makes since when you look at it. You're like me, I would stress over being late for appointments or anything. I think that's probably a fear of letting someone down who's counting on you. Whether it's a doctor who has many more patients or a hairdresser that has more clients to tend to and may miss out on something by my making her late.
In other words we don't want to disrupt other peoples lives and may have a fear others will grow not to depend on us. What do ya think?
In Reply to: True and not true posted by Michele [20.829] on September 30, 2006 at 15:14:09:
Michele,
I would suggest you review the stress article on the home page. About 10% of our total stress burden is psychosocial and that seems to be all that you are taking into account.
How does one "cope" with the chemicals in our environment, hormones in our foods, electromagnetic smog, etc? It all adds up. Psychosocial stress is one of the hardest kinds of stress to deal with and with all the burden of physical stressors it is even harder.
Just simply exposing a person to the amount of formaldehyde in a trailor will set off a biofeedback instrument! When something this prinitive will register stress how much is really going on?
Walt
In Reply to: True and not true posted by Michele [20.829] on September 30, 2006 at 15:14:09:
Michele,
I would suggest you review the stress article on the home page. About 10% of our total stress burden is psychosocial and that seems to be all that you are taking into account.
How does one "cope" with the chemicals in our environment, hormones in our foods, electromagnetic smog, etc? It all adds up. Psychosocial stress is one of the hardest kinds of stress to deal with and with all the burden of physical stressors it is even harder.
Just simply exposing a person to the amount of formaldehyde in a trailor will set off a biofeedback instrument! When something this prinitive will register stress how much is really going on?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 16:08:40:
Have you ever stopped and thought that you worrying over so many things might not be worse for you than doing them?
You're going to worry yourself to death.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 16:08:40:
why should it Fire you Up if Others don't believe what you do? Do you Need them to agree to make You Feel that you are Right? If you are convinced, let them believe what they want to. Does it do you any good to get fired up? I have friends who tell me things that they Insist are reasons or causes of my problems, which I know aren't true for me. They believe it though I am not sure if it is Their experience, or just what they have read and are convinced of, but I know from MY experience in My situation.
I tell people to Try things that I Know from my experience Might help their problem, but if they don't believe it or don't want to try, It is THEIR loss. I have had knee problems that I have fixed, so I tell people to try things, and they would rather take drugs or have surgery. Guess what. I didn't have to, and Their pain Doesn't hurt me. When their things don't do what they hoped. I just log it in my mind, that they have Their beliefs. I tried things that others have told me, and am glad I did. I may have been reluctant, because I didn't understand how the thing could work, but I asked people who should know, but them not believing it, or even having an answer, I gave it a try.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 16:08:40:
Every kid deserves to go to McDonald's once in a while, especially a sick kid but not if it's the daily routine, and he isn't eating better most of the rest of the time.
plus. you shouldn't get upset over things you have no control of, such as other people's choices to remain ignorant.
I (personally, this is me) will investigate a matter if I disagree with someone, It gives me an opportunity to find out more about something or confirm my belief about something, either way I don't just make a stupid comment like stress doesn't cause disease, when every Dr. in this country says it does, or at least can, and then not be able to back my statement up one way or another (I'm assuming they haven't offered anything to back up their thoughts?)
Anyway, you can't control it and you shouldn't let it bother you.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 14:21:20:
Nope, no backing up of their comments that stress doesn't cause disease. They'll say things like, my family lives til their 90 and some smoke and some are really stressed, so i don't think it really does cause disease. Stupid things like that. Or, that they know somebody who is healthy as can be (define "healthy" for me, please!) and they died of this or that at an early age.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Vince F [4572.20] on October 01, 2006 at 13:55:49:
you said: "Do you Need them to agree to make You Feel that you are Right? " Absolutely NOT. I don't think I'm the know all of everything. But I do know that this mother had a breast cancer scare just recently too and at that time I noticed their diet was not all that great and was surprised she didn't change. And then shortly after her son had this huge node and was finally diagnosed with lymphoma recently, and I was just shocked that she was getting him a hash brown, and as far as I can see they haven't changed his diet (or hers) much at all b/c I'll be on teh phone with her and she'll be talking about having pizza, or take out chinese. i absolutely don't say anything to her, b/c i feel like it's not my place, even though I am her friend. I have hinted at his diet, but that's it. I know i won't be the one who can make her changge. I"m an observor at this point and I'm just having a hard time understanding why that family doesn't change their ways even through this current health crisis.
I'm not so "fired" up as I am in a little bit of disbelief that somebody wouldnt' change their diet with all they are going through, that's all. It's my opinion, and I do know that I woudln't do what they're doing, that's all. Jeeze.
In Reply to: Grace posted by Charles [4668.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 09:31:18:
Of course I've thought of that. I'm not sitting here sweating over the fact that my friend hasn't changed their diet. I'm just surprised, not stressing over it.
Trust me, I pick and choose the things I want to worry myself over.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 16:11:06:
you said you were a Little fired up, which sounds like you are but don't show it.
First you have to Believe that diet can cause or change things. Some people don't see it as you do, and I would think that hash browns at McDonalds would be the Best thing to eat there, unless you want to get in that they probably aren't organic, and they don't use olive oil, and they get them too hot.
Everyone is different, and people don't all think alike, or have the same ideas. I had a neighbor say that They didn't like that I painted the front of my brick house White. She said she likes Hers better, which is Black. I told her that was Great, but white reflects the sun and keeps the house cooler and I very rarely need AC, and black Absorbs the suns heat, which is worse than the red bricks. I don't think she knew that, but I don't care if her house gets hot. If she asked me WHY I painted mine white, it would be a different story, but I wouldn't tell her the color affects heat gain unless she asked. She must Like it that way. I don't sit outside and admire my house, and say, Boy it Really looks good, so go for function. I only see it when I come in and out.
I would make suggestions IF someone asked, or when someone told me they had a problem they couldn't solve, and if they don't want to hear it. Consider the source, and how they think and act. There are prbably Lots of things that this person does that you wouldn't agree with. I have friends taking BP meds, and they have the symptoms of Taking them. I have read they are as dangerous as high BP Unless it is sky high. I handle mine more naturally, even though one friend is Really into health and all the diet stuff, he is taking them. I tell them and Hope they will search for the info that I found, but they still may decide to take them. This guys BP is Only high in the Dr's office. My dad gave himself a massive heart attack being on meds and cuting out salt, and he thought I was crazy. Even though he was my dad, and I didn't want him to be harmed, he was convinced he was doing the Right things Till the attack. He didn't understand why I didn't worry like he did. I didn't because I would Try all the things he did or recomended, and never felt any improvement, but Then I had Nothing to improve. He said it Didn't matter. I don't agree with than, and also, I don't like doing something that I don't like or doesn't agree, Even when trying to get better now. I like results and detoxing or things like that I don't buy, when the things that are Said to cause detox symptoms, which I have taken, have helped me with No bad symptoms. I avoid a brand of an item that has helped me if I have a bad reaction to another brand. I just figure that something is wrong and it doesn't agree. i would never take it Hoping the bad symptoms stoped.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Vince F [4572.20] on October 01, 2006 at 18:07:12:
I don't sit outside and admire my house, and say, Boy it Really looks good, so go for function. I only see it when I come in and out.
lol. That's because you're a guy. How the house looks is really important to gals. Especially the inside though.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 01, 2006 at 18:15:19:
Nope, it's important to me also, but I'm not going to worry about it if I can't do it fast enough, or what someone Else likes or dislikes. I planed to rebuild and restore the windoes and remake the beveled glass, raised panel door, and insulate it, to improve the design, but my limits stop me, but wether I like white, and others like black, means Nothing to me. Now if I went and painted Their house white, I can see them having something to say. The ones who complain are morons anyway, and I Wouldn't listen to a moron.
One supposed computer programer for the gov told me, he Always sees me working on my car, and I should get a new one. He Thinks a New compact SUV costs 7K$. Now you know why the gov is SO screwed up. He Only sees me when I'm working on my car, and if I get the same parking space a few days in a row, He Thinks I didn't go out. He leaves for work at 5AM, and I go out at night, but he can't figure that out. I had a machinist neighbor tell me I was using the wrong drill bit to set the float in my carb. They gave values of a 7/16 drill bit, .42", or a # 58 bit in the manual I had. He went on and on that I was making a Big mistake, because he Knew bit sizes. I don't know the # ones, but 7/16 is .42", and the pic in the manual showed it, but he insisted. Then he tells me he Always wanted to Learn how to work on his car, but was always affraid. Later he took HS auto shop clases at night, but that didn't last long. I think it was too hard for him. Every time he sees me working on something, he makes a dumb comment. Like, he gets tired Watching me work, or Watch you don't have a heart attack, and me struggling to work on things. The guy walks So slow, you would think he had one. I Think he doesn't want to strain or stress himself. I Only see him when I'm working on something outside also. People are funny and irritating, when they are DUMB... Must be conserves. LOL..They Are pretty conservative in what they do.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Vince F [4572.20] on October 01, 2006 at 19:11:05:
There's a difference between conservative and lazy or dumb. I think.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Vince F [4572.20] on October 01, 2006 at 18:07:12:
Yes I understand that you have to believe diet can change health in order to change that aspect. I know that too well. But at the same time, I woudl *think* that most people who fall ill with cancer or some other serious disease would realize that they need to shape up or ship out, and change their diet and lifestyle. That could be naive for me to think that too, but I know that if I had something serious, I would change my life around like you wouldn't believe. I know this, b/c a year ago I had a major scare (and it turned out to be nothing after all) that made me quit almost everything bad for me. I went cold turkey and stopped sodas and mcdonalds. I started buying almost exclusively organic food. I went out and bought air purifiers, and a water distiller. And a rebounder. And natural beauty products, and shower filters. I can go on.
At the same time, I know this is me, and other people are different. I know somebody who has esophageal cancer and he still smokes, for example. We're all different. I just don't get it, though. I don't understand it. And my friend, who had her own health scare and then shortly after to have her own son with cancer, and not making any changes... well, I don't know how ANYbody can think that is a little odd.
With her, I dropped some hints, and left my door open if she wanted to talk more about them, and i just hope she follows through with some of my suggestions. That's all I can do. She knows how I feel about conventional meds (he's on chemo now)so she'll come to me if she wants to know more. What else can I do... but I still don't get it.
In Reply to: Re: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 21:54:46:
My parents both got cancers very late in life, and were the only ones in both famlies who did. I think I know where they got them, from drinking water in a town where we spent summers, where neighbor kids all got cancer, starting with the youngest first, and the water was found to be contaminated, though the family had a well, and we didn't, but small towns have municipal, deeper wells. Me and my sister rarely drink water to this day, so will we get cancer or not, I don't know. My function is so limited from my injury, that I'm not sure what I would do if I got it. I had severe food sensitivities, and don't like many things that are Supposed to be better, and I don't like any waters, and with a grandfather who lived to be 104, smoking 2 packs a day till the end, till a hospital killed him. He ate and drak what he wanted to, and did what others might call odd things at times. He drank a little wine but not all the time.
I look at what he did, and think about doing it before someone else, in both families, if I want to live a Long, Healthy life. At 104 he was like someone in their 60's or 50's, even with major surgery for an aortic anuerism at 99, the surgeon said he had internal organs like a person 30yrs younger.
Before I was injured at 40, I tested like someone half my age, and better, and even after my injury, and limited, I still tested better.
Everyone believes the way they do, and worries about what they will, and will do or not do things based on what they feel or believe. I have friends in their 50's and 60's who are worried a lot, and take natural things to try to prevent problems, and are worried about the future, and don't think they will live that long or in good health, and then they take drugs, and some have damaged them. Whenever I mention a problem I have, they think I should run to a Dr and have surgery, or get drugs. I look things up and usually don't like the dangers or side effects and look for cures myself. They think everything is cancer or torn ligaments, and I think it is an irritation or bad strain, or something simple, though I will wonder about cancer, and what I would do if it was, but those thoughts don't last very long, when the symptoms don't continue.
Everyone doesn't think or feel alike, so do what you can, and then accept that others think or feel different. Some can't deal with thinking too deply about things. I told my sister I bought a telescope, and she thought that was goofy. She is educated and supposed to be intelligent, but when our mother got Parkinsons, she couldn't think past what the Dr's told us, and couldn't believe that anything but drugs would help, though I found natural things that were said to help. When mom got a bad bed sore, she said that Everyone claimed it was a Lack of Nutrition. That was a new one on me. I thought it was a circulation problem caused by pressure on the area, but she insisted it wasn't. The Parkinsons drugs stop you from shaking, and probably stop you from being able to move which will cause bed sores. I'd rather shake...
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
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In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
Here's what one of the posters said on the other site, after I had made reference to the stress article by wonderful Dr. Stoll:
"I wouldn't put too much stock in that particular "doctor." His website seems to be there to sell his book and his "health coaching" services, and his license to practice medicine appears to have been revoked."
So after that statement, the girl I was arguing back and forth about shot down my entire argument and said that my sources are invalid and I am wrong!!! Now, I'm angry. I know, I ought to not let it get to me, but she really offended me by saying I just can't understand her viewpoint as thought I'm an idiot. Okay, I'm defensive and upset. What can I say. I of course defended Dr. Stoll and left it at that.
In Reply to: Ok now I'm angry. posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 08:49:15:
The Mayo clinic is an invalid source? since when?
In Reply to: Ok now I'm angry. posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 08:49:15:
Don't stress about it. ; )
I tried to post some links but i guess they weren't allowed as the post *poofed*
google *stress and disease* and/or *stress response* and you will find plenty of other references.
It is frustrating when we know that so many could benefit from wellness but we can't really force anyone to accept or do anything.
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
Grace,
I agree with Walt. We don't fully understand all the bad effects stress has on our health. But know this, if you don't learn how to handle everyday stress, be it driving in trafic or what get into your body, you are headed on the path to poor health and disease.
Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: "Stress" is not always negative. posted by WendyG [381.2844] on September 30, 2006 at 22:21:22:
Hi Wendy,
You are right... Ther eis a difference be tween STRESS that you enjoy and ouside stress that you can do nothing about...
When a couple argues, it is common for the man to go to the garage and hammer some nails to work it off.
There is a big difference between stress and a challenge.
An olympic athlete may feel challenged, but does not stress about anything except passing urine tests and having his manager run off with future endorsement funds.
In Reply to: Re: "Stress" is not always negative. posted by Ron [205.2852] on October 02, 2006 at 13:01:58:
There is a difference between stress and challenge, but I disagree with you if you are saying a challenge doesn't result in stress.
In Reply to: Ok now I'm angry. posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 08:49:15:
Hi Grace,
You sound like you are describing the difference between
a devout democrat and a devout republican.
If she was religious, you could end up saying she was a terrorist to your way of life.
In Reply to: Re: Grace posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 01, 2006 at 16:12:53:
I try not to worry about anything that is out of my control.
In Reply to: Re: Grace posted by Charles [514.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 19:12:07:
I try that too.. I am not out to change the world, or anybody. BUT, sometimes it's hard to accept other people's opinions when you feel so strongly about yours. It may be just my personality.
In Reply to: Re: Grace posted by Grace [4820.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 21:04:14:
I don't know if I posted about what you were talking about BUT I do believe that stress can lead to sickness.
In Reply to: Re: Grace posted by Grace [4820.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 21:04:14:
consider who you are dealing with, and accept that they aren't interested in what you know or believe, and won't benefit. Be glad that you know. The only time that people listen is when they are searching, and looking for answers.
In Reply to: Ok now I'm angry. posted by Grace [4800.1351] on October 02, 2006 at 08:49:15:
Thanks, Grace.
Remember that so long as she gets better results sticking strictly to conventional medicine she should do that with all of our blessings.
I practiced strictly conventional medicine before I learned better and do not feel like I need defending.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: "Stress" is not always negative. posted by lissa [2032.8] on October 02, 2006 at 13:04:18:
Hi Lissa,
If challenge were such a bad thing, how many would go to college or university?
In Reply to: Effects of stress posted by Grace [4820.1351] on September 30, 2006 at 14:06:15:
When I was in college, near our weight room, by a nurses area, I a rack where they were giving out free booklets. This was decades ago. One that I picked up was about stress and was about a 20 pager written by a guy named Hans Selye. He spoke about the stress adaption syndrome and it facinated me.
One day I was in Canada and sitting in a coffee shop after seeing the Olympics and got to speaking with a fellow and began speaking about some of the events we both saw. Somehow the subject got to endurance and stress and I mentioned details of the booklet I read. While I didn't quite agree with everything, I enjoyed reading it trememdously. After a while, I looked at the clock and the coffee shop was closing. It was then we realized we had been talking for about 7 hours. I discovered I was speaking with the doctor and author. He was amazed at how much I remembered and particularly where I disagreed and my examples. Since I had read a lot of his works, I was using the terms he would use. He was a very kind man and always trying to learn. I kept in touch, but he died a few years later-sometimes in the early 80's. If you are interested, I would recommend going to a library and checking it out. Many athletes read his works in trying to gain greater insite to their bodies and self.
In Reply to: Hans Selye posted by Raman [2016.2863] on October 10, 2006 at 23:24:39:
Thanks, Raman.
You have been blessed!
Walt
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