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Dr. Stoll's book finally arrived through interlibrary loan. On the first page, Dr. Stoll (in typical doctor's scrawl ;-) had written "To Amy, I appreciate your offer to review my work. Walt 6/27/96" It looks like this was one of the very first copies printed.
The most troubling part reads "Totally eliminate the following: Any [ingredient] that ends in -ose..., Honey, syrup, molasses, corn syrup..., any sweetener added to foods (Aspartame and saccarine are ok...), white flour..., white rice..., refined cornmeal..., peeled potatoes..., any kind of starch added to foods, most people will have to eliminate fruits for a few weeks or months, dried fruits are too concentrated for everyone for a few months, all forms of alcohol, caffeine..."
Just about everything I eat is on this list. I'm not sure how to go about replacing these foods with others. I worry about replacing them all at once. I also get the feeling this will mean a lot more cooking for me and I don't know where I will find the time to do it.
Walt, when will you publish a second edition with all the new stuff you've learned?
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll's book arrived posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 11:14:54:
Hi Phil,
Actually, a new book is currently being written.
To make the dietary changes you listed (and I would knock artificial sweeteners off the OK list), get the book called "The Healing Power of Whole Foods" by Beth Loiselle, (Introduction by Walt Stoll). It tells you EXACTLY what you can and cannot eat, with one exception - it says you can have fruits but Walt says NO for the first few months.
Some of the staples of the diet for me include instant brown rice, all fresh and frozen vegetables, potatoes with skins, real butter, mineral salt, natural cheeses, olive oil, roast beef and roast chicken, tuna canned in water, nuts and nut butters. You can make your own popcorn. Drink H20.
Hope this helps for starting.
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll's book arrived posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 11:14:54:
Phil,
Although I've given up coffee, alcohol, caffeine, and cut my sugar intake by about 35%, I'm still not there, yet. I haven't started the whole foods program in earnest, but I'm transitioning. One suggestion to help is that you COULD try one of those whole food premixes in a can, like those at Infinity2.com It's a convenient way to eliminate sugars and other rotten food additives, without having to first wash the dishes (a big plus for me). Another idea is to simply stop going to the grocer and instead start shopping at a whole foods market. Good luck.
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll's book arrived posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 11:14:54:
This is really a lot easier than you think. For me only fruits and a little honey is this list. All the refined stuff you listed can be substituted with unrefined foods: brown rice instead of white one, potatoes with skins (very tasty, BTW), breads made with whole and even sprouted grains. Trader Joe's is a great store to shop for breads, organic butter, hormone free and organic dairy products. There are other grains that are OK: millet, buckwheat. You will probably have to spend more time cooking but not much. For an example, I spend only about 2 min to cook grains -- the time is spent on washing them and putting them into a pan, turning on a stove, etc. They cook by themselves. Similar situation with meats. You don't have to prepare complex gourmet dishes. You can start (and maybe stick to) simple, but still tasty, foods. Baking a chicken, beef, lamb, etc. is easy. It will take only about 10 min of your time when you learn how to do it. The same with frying (not deep frying; I think it's called sauteing). Use coconut oil or lard for it. The most time consuming process for me is making salads, but it still takes only no more that 10 to 15 min. I doubt that you spend less time to drive to eat out. Consider buying prewashed leafy greens. Again, Trader Joe's has them for a reasonable price, including organic ones).
Aspartame is OK, Walt??? I wouldn't eat it. Or saccarine. I don't see how they are whole foods.
In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll's book arrived posted by kmd on April 27, 2001 at 12:15:36:
Thanks for the tips guys. Did you experience cravings for unwhole foods when you were first starting your diets? If so, did you crave something specific, like fudge brownies? Did you feel any of the withdrawal symptoms Dr. Stoll outlined like fatigue? How did you deal with cravings or symptoms you encountered?
In Reply to: Cravings posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 15:22:31:
Yes, I personally have severe cravings (physical and emotional) and severe withdrawals with severe symptoms (of almost every sort). Because of this, I have tried and failed several times. Am trying again very soon, hoping for a better outcome. At least this time I will know not to eat any fruits and not to take anything (pills, supplements) that have "-ose" additives, so the withdrawals should end within 3-4 days.
Sorry I don't have better news, but anyone's experience is likely to be better than mine has been!
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by kmd on April 27, 2001 at 19:59:20:
Hi Phill,
I experienced fatigue at first. Alot of aching in my joints as the toxins were starting to be released. I didnt have any cravings until now 6 weeks into my change of eating. Some of the better things that I experienced is less anxiety, more peace in my body, more energy, no more mood swings. I am having a really hard time right now with craving bread, and sugar, all that bad stufffffffff.
I think its more habit than cravings.......
Keep hanging in there!!!
Its worth it.
Barb
In Reply to: Cravings posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 15:22:31:
Phil, just thought I would let you know what really knocked my cravings and that was 2 to 3 grams of l-glutamine a day. Then at nite right before bed I took 500 mg of inositol to dump the liver. Best of luck to you
In Reply to: Cravings posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 15:22:31:
Phil...I find that when I cut out refined
carbos and sugars that I have less cravings than when I'm eating carbos and sugars!
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Davetx on April 28, 2001 at 00:33:03:
Would you explain the action of inositol on liver please? And why at night? Can you also point me to your source of info?
In Reply to: Cravings posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 15:22:31:
Liver/gallbladder flush is said to alleviate cravings and stabilize mood. So try that before jumping into whole foods. You'd better cleanse your body, and especially liver, anyway.
In Reply to: A question about inositol posted by R. on April 28, 2001 at 17:41:07:
R, Answers to your questions.
1. no I can't because I do not know exactly. 2.Helped me go to sleep by making me sleepy. 3.My doctor
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Barb on April 27, 2001 at 21:35:11:
Thanks for the encouragement Barb! Today is the first day of the diet for me. I have the fatigue bad which is awful since it is cleaning and laundry day. Hopefully the future energy payoff will allow me to catch up. The health food stores out here never heard of wellness. To be included out here, an ingredient must be vegan, organic, and/or made of hemp. So appropriate breads are hard to find. I find myself eating whole boxes of those Wasa crackers and wishing I could dip them in canned frosting. But then I remember 4 years of insomnia, 10 years of gastric distress, 27 years of anxiety. If so many people are telling me it will work, I owe it to myself to try! Best wishes!
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Phil on April 29, 2001 at 00:04:41:
hi
heres what i have learned over the last few years from many different sources about cravings.
do u crave only crunchy things ? your jaw may need more chomping work. eat things like raw, very fibrous vegetables (e.g., kale). (this helped me a lot!)
craving sugars ? adrenals may be implicated. take glucose tollerance factor chromium...this has worked wonders ! as well, other supplements/foods with vitamin C and B vitamins help the adrenals.
craving just plain starches ? stomachs with parasites and/or very low acid edal best with starches, bc they can be handled with the sub-optimal levels of digestive acid. also, starches absorb toxins. if you have way too much toxic exposure (food , air, whatever), your body may call for starch to bind with toxins that overhwelm your detox capability. (drinking cornstarch after accidental poison intake is useful.)
craving ice cream ? especialyl at night ? sluggish thyroid calls for the cold.
craving salt ? your body is calling for the major minerals.
craving fatty foods ? you may need to eat more essential fatty acids/oils.
craving potato chips ? u may want crunch, salt, and fat...hmm ur bad off ! ;-) see above
Ayur veda views cravings as failures of intelligence. the mind is not being properly stimulated through ALL FIVE senses. getting a wide variety of tastes in the regular diet everyday from real foods is terribly helpful. i couldnt believe how that helped me. actually, ayur veda has particular seasonings made up of many flavors which are specific to your body's type/problems/needs. great stuff!
strong feelings of hunger in general are often actually a body calling for hydration. drink a lot more water and see if this stops it.
also, in the beginning, when it was hardest and i was least motivated to do all these other things, i would make MASSIVE amounts of beans and grains and allow myself to eat that without LIMIT...until i felt overfull in the stomach. this is obviously not a perfect way, but it made the difference for me at a critical time. really !
many people have good luck with proteins and specific amino acids reducing cravings. this never helped me. however, drinking vegetable juice did...and not many root (sweet) vegetables.
actually, i was surprised how easy it was to overcome cravings on days that i juiced green vegetables AND ate raw vegetables and had vitamin C and chromium AND did exercise. all these together made cravings irrelevant.
and that brings me to the a greater point: psychological stimulation for this problem. i never had cravings when i was in a good mood. and i could try to manufacture a good mood by engaging myself continually in the things i like...such as listening to favorite music, reading favorite material, lifting weights, working on my SlAAB, etc..
dont beat yourself up if you fall down ! ther is no up without some down !
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Phil on April 29, 2001 at 00:04:41:
hi
dont neglect vegetable glycerin if u want sweet flavor !
it is only the organic alcohol component of vegetable fat...not natural to extract it exactly, but if u get USP its fairly pure and less harmful than almost all the other sweet substitutes.
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Phil on April 29, 2001 at 00:04:41:
hi
sorry i am really dumb today
one other psycholgical approach that has been powerful for me against the pressure of cravings is changing behaviors...i found that my cravings just always happened when i was doing the same thing at a certain time of the day...so i made sure NOT to do that same thing and did something else instead, then not thinking about the food.
this was rad ! the new distraction creates it own new wake of thoughts as offshoots, excluding the old ones, which included those food cravings.
thats it. i promise.
In Reply to: Re: Cravings-- "cured" ! posted by leon cavallo on April 29, 2001 at 01:06:43:
Great information...but you forgot one. Chocolate craving is associated with a lack of magnesium : )
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Barb on April 27, 2001 at 21:35:11:
I think cravings are the bodies way of telling us we need
something but then I am thinking about my grandad who
satisfied them and lived to 104 and my dad who didn't and
ate what they said you should and died at 84. When he
had a massive heart attack at 70 he told me to do what
my grandfather did and not he did. If something gives me
more strength, stamina, and feeling of well being it seems
like it would be better for me than something that is Said
to be better. Sure would be crazy to do teh Right thing
thought of at that time and feel worse or do damage. My
dad's words were, If you want to smoke, then smoke. Drink,
then drink. Eat what you want and pointed to my gradfather
who was 97 and just came back from europe. He had a cane but
my dad said it was just to get sympathy.
I am not saying not to do things that are said to be
better but sometimes they Might be worse so doing them in a
Hope to be healthier may not always be the case. My dad
did whatever was said to be healthier and pestered me to do
the same things. Most didn't agree, taste good or do
anything for me so I didn't do them but Did do things that
worked. Just before my dad's heart attack the warnings
about salt came out. I had had my first chemical injury
and found that I needed to take salt tablets Just to
function and not get disoriented in the heat and I had to
take it straight because puting even more on food didn't
do a thing. Seeing him look like I felt and knowing he
stopped using salt I questioned the move and he asked me if
I didn't listen to the news and I Must be crazy for using
any salt. Shortly after he had his massive heart attack and
his heart stopped 3 times in the hospital so they put in a
pacemaker.
Though he said to do what I wanted he Couldn't and went
back to his healthy ways and he lived as long as his father
in law.
VF
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll's book arrived posted by Phil on April 27, 2001 at 11:14:54:
Hi, Phil.
Apparently Amy donated her book to the library system. Thanks, Amy.
The only reason to do THAT diet is to find out how much refined carbohydratrates are affecting you. You will know ia a couple of weeks--IF you are perfect. THEN, you can decide whether it is worth your while or not. If it IS, after about 6-12 months you can stop being so strict and seek your bodymind's tolerance level.
I would not try doing this without having Beth's book in hand.
Most people, by the time they are so desperate to start looking for help on their own, are ready to "hang from their thumbs" for a couple of weeks if they knew it would help. Surely eating only steamed rice over steamed, chopped vegies mix (in any grocery store) is a lot easier than hanging.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Cravings-- "cured" ! posted by Barbara on April 29, 2001 at 05:55:37:
really ? wow didnt know that do you know more about the connection ?
thanks
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by Vince F on April 29, 2001 at 07:43:05:
hi vince
interesting...
chinese medicine says that cravings that people had years and years ago are different from our cravings, because we have been affected by modern chemicals and drugs and our natural intuition has been altered.
ayur veda also says that the cravings of a person IN BALANCE should not be ignored. however, these cravings will not be chronic or based on the very same things over and over again. those are signs of the lack of balance in the doshas/personal factors.
because of nasty, dammaging, and aman made influences on our bodies and our tastes and memories, our instincts are muddied to say the least. As we do in macrobiotics, *IF* you take a long time to withdraw and clear of a negative influence (detox and re-setting of the body mind), you have an opportunity to return to normal interaction with that influence... but if you do not clear first, you remain a slave to the old negative relationship made between the substabce and your body mind...
i suppose this is just as in brain chemistry, for example with withdrawing from all rpocessed carbohydrates.
you dont count on your car until you tune it up...ew can tune up our body minds too.
In Reply to: Re: Cravings posted by leon cavallo on April 29, 2001 at 15:22:57:
Leon,
Your car tuning analagy strikes a nerve. Being one who
repairs their own car and had some strange situations where
most would say to tune a car every so many miles or to Try
to solve a problem my experience has been that if that Isn't
what I think is Really needed I Don't do it and many times
when I thought it might be or couldn't think of anything
else and did it I Didn't solve the problem. Now tuning it
when not needed doesn't hurt unless you disturb something
else while doing it and really complicate matters but a few
times I have done it and realized I wasted time and money
and Still had to solve the problem so figuring out the
real cause of a problem is usually the best way.
I have tried to do an Atkins type diet but get an
uncomfortable tightness in my neck which I don't like and
when I add bread or other carbos I don't have that problem
and I used to eat breads alone at times but a lot less now.
The bread seemed to balance a meal.
I used to have to eat something when drinking coffee and
cake or toast usually was chosen but sometimes just the
though of them almost made me sick and protein was what I
craved and satisfied me so I ate it. People would say I ate
too much cake or starch but I think it kept the coffee from
bothering my stomach so buffered it.
My grandfather would do things like eat nothing but
ice cream one day and not touch it again for 6 mo while
my dad had a little every day. My dad seemed to manage
everything he did while gramps seemed to go with what he
wanted to. dad took a multi vitamin every day even though
he ate a wide variety of food and ate many smaller meals
so I didn't see where he needed the vits and I never took
them till I could see where they did something. Dad would
say I wouldn't see any improvement for 6 mo. I wasn't going
to take something that long just to find out. When I got
injured I tried everything that sounded like it might help
and have found a few things and they work in 15-20 minutes
and some that help a problem seem to do nothing when not
needed so i wait till they are needed and when I find
something like different MSM's that have eliminated the
need for things that used to be needed and helped I don't
take them because they Once helped and the MSM's aren't
even needed like the items they replaced so I only take Them
when needed.
I do try things again that helped in different
combinations to see it that might cause improvements that
might help other problems like I decided to try zinc,
niacin, and ginko which all helped or are said to help
circulation in different parts of the body and cayenne is
said to help that so will try some. I was never a big
spicy foods eater but once I found it helps so many things
I find myself puting it on many foods because I like it
and normally not to Try to solve something and I wouldn't
remember unless the problem was major.
VF
In Reply to: Re: Cravings-- "cured" ! posted by leon cavallo on April 29, 2001 at 15:15:36:
Because chocolate is high in magnesium. I used to have terrible chocolate cravings. My complimentary doctor told me the connection...plus I found info about it from a magnesium site.
http://www.seflin.org/drjason/drjason.a2.html
http://www.mgwater.com/listd.shtml#mgdef
I prefer the chocolate to the supplements to meet my magnesium needs! haha
In Reply to: Re: Cravings-- "cured" ! posted by Barbara on April 29, 2001 at 17:58:13:
thanks
o wow thats weird
i didnt know that.
i have never craved chocolate...never had any particular taste for it ever in my life. i should ffel thankful !
thanks for the info
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