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Hi,I was just wondering if you've ever heard of New Chapter whole food supplements? They sell them at the health food store where I shop. They sound similar to Perfect Food except they have a lot of herbs in them and I think less greens. Thanks.
In Reply to: To HY re: whole food supplements posted by LPeterson on August 08, 2002 at 00:27:14:
Yes, I used to take them. Unfortunately, they are not TRUE whole foods. They merely grow their isolated vitamins and minerals on a nutritional yeast matrix. This makes digestion easier but they aren't any more "whole" than they were when they were just isolated. True whole food supplements contain NOTHING but whole foods. If you see "Nutritional yeast matrix" or something along the lines of that, you are not talking about a real whole food supplemnt. It's better than most vitamin supplements out there, but I don't classify it as TRUE whole food supplement. I hope that helps-HY
In Reply to: Re: To HY re: whole food supplements posted by Helping You on August 08, 2002 at 01:33:58:
Thanks, HY.
I really appreciate your expertise in these products. You are way ahead of me since this is a new angle for me. I think that it has taken me so long because I am no longer practicing. However, it makes so much sense that I should have figured it out earlier.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: To HY re: whole food supplements posted by Walt Stoll on August 09, 2002 at 07:13:33:
Thanks Walt,
It's no problem. I just happened to get into the research early so I have had time to uncover a deeper understanding for what is out there for us. What I find happens more than anything, is that a vitamin or mineral will seemingly show some sort of improvement in a clinical study, and before these studies can be reviewed or expanded upon, a supplement manufacturer is already marketing it as the next magic bullet. I know all to well. I used to take supplements numbering in the hundreds and not a single one improved my health. It's also intersting to watch as new studies coming out are actually showing negative results for using isolated nutrients (like beta carotene worsening the lungs of smokers). Researchers must know that these nutrients work in direct synergy but either ignore it, or just feel that most people won't go to the extent of getting more of their vitamins from food. We know that certain vitamins and minerals (from food) will cause positive reactions in the body and have a preventative affect on diseases that develop. The problem is, as you know, we may never discover or understand the syngergistic relationship that causes these positive reactions in the body and this is where TRUE whole food supplements can be a real blessing. We can be sure that we are getting nutrients in their balanced form in an easily digestible state. We get the nutrients we know and even the ones we don't know. To me, this is the best way to take vitamins. In fact, there are only a few vitamins that are conclusively proven to have a positive effect on disease. Folic acid probably being the most proven one. Vitamin E and C are really up in the air. Some studies show benefit from supplement and others don't but nearly ALL show benefit from food. This HAS to prove that there nutrients, cofactors, or something still undiscovered that is working syngergistically to provide the benefit. Again, I am always happy to help and I hope this information helps someone that may be indecisive about supplements. Also, I do hate to be seemingly biased towards one group of whole food supplements but I have just never seen anything like these before. I have always known that something like this was needed but many companies and products fell short in either potency, digestibility, or processing. This company just happened to hit the nail on the head. I am always looking for the BBD (bigger better deal :-)) and should the day come, I will post it. Take Care
-HY
In Reply to: Re: To HY re: whole food supplements posted by Helping You on August 10, 2002 at 01:05:26:
Hi HY and Walt,
I was glad to hear HY's experience of trying many supplements and none of them improved his health -- to know that someone has had an experience similar to mine.
And about the balance or synergistic effect -- I'm wondering if there isn't something about that why the magnesium IV and oral magnesium supplements didn't work for me. I surely trust Walt's clinical and personal experience, and I believe he's right that magnesium is at least part of my issue. Otherwise I wouldn't have even tried. However, I'm still trying to understand this whole thing about taking the magnesium and the strong effect it had on me.
Perhaps some people's internal balance and need for the synergistic effect is just more delicate than others and taking a quantity of anything throws it off? I know that individual supplements work for some people. However, most of the things that are said to help most people, don't work for me or seem to make me worse. For example, vitamin E makes me heavy and lethargic and vitamin C only tightens up my whole NS and body. I can't function if I take either of them.
I appreciate the dialogue about all of this.
Namaste`
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: whole food supplements and magnesium, too posted by Happygal on August 10, 2002 at 11:50:18:
I take several supplements and am in the process of weaning myself off them and going to whole-food supplement(s). In fact I've already started the Perfect Food ... and am getting used to the taste. ;-)
Here's my experience with supplements (that were suggested by my holistic md). This isn't scientific. I didn't so much do elimination/provocation testing. For most, when I ran out of a supplement and didn't bother to take it for a while, I observed the effect it had.
Vit A: (halibut oil) no difference
Vit B-complex: not sure
Vit C (ester): dropped from 3-4 colds per year to 0. this stuff is magic. previously took ascorbic acid but continued to get sick.
Vit E: no difference
Kelp: no difference
Mag: sleep better. again, quality makes a difference. proteinate is better than oxide.
Cal/mag: not sure
Alpha lipoic acid: no difference
Milk thistle: eyes are clearer and brighter
selenium: no difference
zinc: no difference
misc trace minerals: no difference
flax oil: keeps skin clear. wish I knew this 25 years ago !!
So I think I'll continue to take ester C, mag, flax oil, and possibly milk thistle.
I just assumed that even though some supplements didn't seem to have an effect on me, that they were still acting as a preventive.
Great topic !
In Reply to: Re: To HY re: whole food supplements posted by Helping You on August 10, 2002 at 01:05:26:
Thanks, HY.
Good explanation of what is going on. Now if this note were just required reading for first year medical students.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: whole food supplements and magnesium, too posted by Happygal on August 10, 2002 at 11:50:18:
Thanks, Happygal.
My own enlightenment about the place for "concentrated whole foods supplements" has been fairly recent. However there still is a place for the pharmacological doses of single nutrients (LeChatelier's Principle).
The best laboratory is still the individual one we all carry around inside our skin.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: whole food supplements and magnesium, too (Archive in supplements.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 11, 2002 at 08:53:58:
NMI
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