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Hi,
Sorry I haven't got a link, but in the UK press this morning scientists are saying that in a massive controlled trial it was found that vit A and beta carotene actually contribute to the chances of getting heart disease.
I wonder who's behind this - could it be the pharmaceuticals?
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
Hard to believe much either way. There was a study that said
that smokers taking beta caratine had a higher rate of
cancer. I think it came out of Sweeden.
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
That would be my first guess. The opening volley now that CODEX or harmonization has been pushed through.
It seems terrible important to discredit everything that can be considered good and healthy for you, and to
replace it with substances that are of questionable or unhealthy bu will make a huge profit for its owners; the pharmeceutical companies.
It this sort of thing that leads me to believe in the existence of the Christian "Devil." ;-)
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
This makes me mad, because they're just trying the brainwash the general public. Notice the comment about there being no harm in taking recommended doses. How the hell do they know. I think the whole story is garbage and was done for the drug companies and probably the government too.
In Reply to: I've found a link to the story from the internet posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 07:13:01:
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In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
This time I tried to copy and paste.
Vitamins 'do not protect heart'
Vitamin E and beta carotene do not protect against heart disease and may even be harmful, according to doctors.
Previous studies have suggested these vitamins can keep arteries healthy and can protect against heart disease.
But a study by doctors in the United States has found no evidence to support these claims.
In fact, they found that beta carotene may actually damage health.
Study review
The findings are based on a review of 15 different studies, each involving more than 1,000 people, by doctors at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation.
They found that people who take beta carotene may slightly increase their risks of developing heart disease or dying early.
There is little harm in taking the 'recommended' doses of vitamin supplements
Judy O'Sullivan,
British Heart Foundation
According to their analysis, people who took beta carotene had a 0.4% increased risk of dying early and a 0.3% increased risk of dying from heart disease compared to those who did not take the supplement.
While these percentages are small, the doctors said they were statistically significant.
The doctors said the findings applied to vitamin A supplements too, since the body converts beta carotene into vitamin A.
They found no evidence that vitamin E protected against heart disease.
Dr Marc Penn, who led the study, said the findings suggested people should stop taking supplements containing these vitamins.
"The use of vitamin supplements containing beta carotene and vitamin A, beta carotene's biologically active metabolite, should be actively discouraged because this family of agents is associated with a small but significant excess of all-cause mortality and cardiovascular death," he said.
Dr Penn also urged scientists who are carrying out trials on patients involving beta carotene to stop their work.
"We recommend that clinical studies of beta carotene should be discontinued because of its risks," he said.
High doses
The findings come just weeks after the UK's Food Standards Agency issued its own warning about the risks of taking vitamins in high doses.
It suggested that taking high levels beta-carotene and zinc over a long period may have irreversible harmful effects.
They also reiterated warnings that high doses of vitamin C, calcium and iron can harm health but said long-term damage can be avoided if people stop taking them.
The British Heart Foundation said people who stick to the recommended vitamin doses should not be concerned.
Judy O'Sullivan, one of its cardiac nurses, said: "Several studies - including the large scale Heart Protection Study - have shown that there is little harm in taking the 'recommended' doses of vitamin supplements.
"But we would rather emphasise, to the thousands of people who regularly take vitamin supplements, that there is little benefit in taking them to protect against cardiovascular disease and they should concentrate on adapting a healthy lifestyle and a balanced diet."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/health/2986922.stm
Published: 2003/06/13 12:00:50 GMT
© BBC MMIII
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
Maz, Guess I'm going to die early..Steve
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
Could it be that, maybe by default, we would all be better off without vitamin and mineral supplements? After all, should we not trust in our creator that everything we need can be found in our food. I know that we should keep away from anything unnatural/additives/refined foods, but we can choose organic. I do. I'm not so sure we ought to be consuming vitamin and mineral tablets. It was never the intention when we were created.
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
http://www.lef.org/featured- articles/april2003_nyt_response.html
The following address is an article by Life Extention Foundation in response to a NY Times article stating that suppliments are no good and dangerous. They respond to these types of claims and basically shoot them down.
If you look who is behind these "studies" you will always find the Pharmecuitical industry or FDA and media who has it's pockets lined by these drug pushers.
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by anotherview on June 13, 2003 at 08:05:18:
It is like that because so much of what you refer to as food is mineral and nutrient depleated "stomach filler." Not everyone has access to or can afford organics. Supplementation is the only way to make up for the lack these non-foods caused in the first place. The foods often look the same as nutritious and healthy foods, and in the case of packaged goods, are packaged the same way as always. Many people buy by looking at the outside packaging, just like they have always done, rather than at the contents labelling, which would clue them that there is very little inside a human can use to stay healthy, or even that the product can be called "food" but who looks these days?
I agree with you though. Food should provide all the body needs to stay healthy and if there is a need for supplements, you've been doing something inherently unhealthy for a long time with or without acknowledging it.
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Steve on June 13, 2003 at 07:29:43:
Couldn't get your link to work.
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Jon on June 13, 2003 at 08:21:25:
Thanks. As I thought! I don't trust the Government (UK or USA) and I do not trust these so called trials. This one in particular is coming at a time when they are trying to ban supplements. I believe this is their way of trying to brainwash the unawared public. Some of us ARE aware! You will find lots of these so called "trials" will now become public, simply because they are leading up to banning supplements. IT STINKS!
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by anotherview on June 13, 2003 at 08:05:18:
in 1940, the USDA said that 1/2 cup of spinach would provide roughly the RDA of iron you need in a given day. Today, it would take 25 cups of spinach to get that same amt of iron.
In Reply to: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 03:55:03:
I am assuming the studies used isolated vitamin a and beta carotene, which is not the way are bodies should take in nutrients. The best sources are whole food and whole food supplements as they provide all the synergistic compounds(thousands of which have yet to be isolated by science) necessary for biological balance.
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by anotherview on June 13, 2003 at 08:05:18:
I agree completely. The human body was never meant to take in isolated mineral and vitamin supplements. They can cause severe imbalances within the body and many have negative as well as positive studies associated with them. One should get their nutrition from nutrient dense whole foods nad if necessary (very often) whole food supplements.
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Maz on June 13, 2003 at 14:55:12:
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In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Jon on June 13, 2003 at 08:21:25:
Your link contains extra space. Below is a valid link
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by GG on June 13, 2003 at 18:18:56:
They are saying the same foods - get your nutrients from food!
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by anotherview on June 13, 2003 at 08:05:18:
Hi, Anotherview.
You need to read a great quote by the founder of NHF (National Health Foundation) about this. Here it is by memory so not exact:
"If the soils were not depleted; if they were not poisoned by pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers; if the foods that finally reach the public had not had their micronutrients all removed by the refining process (so they could sit on the shelf indefinitely) and if people were taught how to eat the best foods for optimal health; THEN they would not need supplements!
How about that????
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by peterb on June 13, 2003 at 16:04:39:
Amen, PeterB.
See my note above about this.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Steve on June 13, 2003 at 07:29:43:
If you are lucky, Steve.
There are worse things than death.
Statistically, you will just spend the last 20 years of life steeped in chronic illness while the allopathic monopoly/pharmaceutical companies get richer tending to you.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Vince F on June 13, 2003 at 05:42:23:
Vince,
Again, an isolated nutrient! The allopathic paradigm is so deeply ingrained in our psyche that people find it impossible to think outside the box.
"'Tis the bonds of which we are unaware that are the most binding of all."
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by Walt Stoll on June 14, 2003 at 06:48:21:
it amazes me that "public health" officials sit on their lazy behinds at taxpayer expense and make no effort to educate Americans.
In Reply to: Re: Vitamin A and Betacarotene - dangerous scientists say posted by peterb on June 14, 2003 at 13:37:46:
Thanks, PeterB.
As they say: "Follow the money!"
Namaste`
Walt
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