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does anyone know any links/sites that tells you things like
- best time of day to take essential fats, vitamin c & all vits & mins really & which ones should be took with food & which without etc etc
In Reply to: what time of day best? posted by katie on June 24, 2003 at 19:05:31:
Dr. Andrew Weil in his books mentions when to take some of the supplements that he recommends. So I think his website might have some of that information.
In Reply to: Re: what time of day best? posted by Sally on June 25, 2003 at 08:14:06:
oh thats a great help thanx sally!
In Reply to: Re: what time of day best? posted by Sally on June 25, 2003 at 08:14:06:
I split up my vitamin/mineral supplementation in a manner similar to Dr. Weil's recommendations: vit c, b complex, carotenes, glucosamine/chond and minerals with breakfast (along with 83 mg aspirin), then vit e, selenium, coQ and fish oil with lunch, finally another cal/mag before bed.
In Reply to: Yes and it is good advice that I also follow posted by Eliza on June 25, 2003 at 20:41:23:
That small amount of asprin you are taking has been shown to harm the stomach lining and gastrointestinal system, even in that low amount. Virtually the same results can be achieved with vitamin E, fish oil, quercetin, or bromelain. Just FYI
-HY
In Reply to: Yes and it is good advice that I also follow posted by Eliza on June 25, 2003 at 20:41:23:
Hi Eliza,
Do you take a multi with all that? I thought isolated vitamins were a no no, apart from maybe fish oil for those who don't eat fish.
In Reply to: Re: Yes and it is good advice that I also follow posted by Maz on June 26, 2003 at 04:09:05:
And preferable in my opinion to multis, which do not take into account interactions with various supplements and are usually of insufficient potency. It's important to take them all with food.
In Reply to: Re: Yes and it is good advice that I also follow posted by Helping You on June 25, 2003 at 22:24:38:
Only people sensitive to aspirin experience bleeding, and this represents about 1% of the population. Everyone else should be taking low-dose aspirin to significantly reduce their risk of many cancers, including mouth, esophagus, stomach, colon, lung, breast and prostate cancers. The goal here is to prevent disease!
In Reply to: Untrue for most people posted by Eliza on July 06, 2003 at 22:26:27:
I am starting to wonder about you. "Sensitivity" has nothing to do with it. Asprin is proven to harm the lining of the gastrointestinal system just as tylenol is shown to harm the liver. Why use asprin when Vitamin D and Fish oil are FAR more effective options? That makes no sense to me
-HY
In Reply to: Isolated vitamins are fine posted by Eliza on July 06, 2003 at 22:21:48:
That may be true for some but not all. Betacarotene is shown to increase cancers of those who smoke. Many studies are inconclusive in regards to antioxidants (from pills) protecting against disease. Also, how do you know how much of a particular vitamin or mineral you need? You don't and there is no way for you ever to know for sure. Taking isolated supplements is like taking drugs. Your body is forced to deal with the chemical load. To my way of thinking, it is FAR less superior to whole food supplmements and always will be
-HY
In Reply to: They are? posted by Helping You on July 06, 2003 at 23:38:55:
Thanks, HY.
In general, I agree. However that does not take into account any of the genetically determined "inborn errors of metabolism" (more than 40,000 known) in which the individual needs as much as 1000 times the normal dose of a single nutrient for optimal health.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: They are? (Sometimes.) Archive in supplements. posted by Walt Stoll on July 07, 2003 at 07:55:34:
Yes. I agree with that 100%. However, at this time, there aren't really any tests that are capable of determining what level of a particular nutrient is needed by each individual. Many nutrient tests are simply based on population norms. and don't reflect individual needs. Now even if there were, most people would continue to just go to their local healthfood store and basically pick and choose supplements based on the current "trend" in supplementation having no idea of weather they actually need it or not and if they DID need it, they'd have no idea what dosage they would need.
In Reply to: They are? posted by Helping You on July 06, 2003 at 23:38:55:
The best way to get nutrients is from whole foods, I take supplements in addition (and none are mega doses like some foolishly recommend). Of course, your comments about taking individual supplements "is like taking drugs" and results in "chemical load" is complete nonsense and continues to reveal your ignorance. Ironically, the whole food supplements you tout like perfect food are poor sources of vital nutrients!
In Reply to: Helpful advice? posted by Helping You on July 06, 2003 at 23:35:09:
You don't appear to have any. Aspirin has not been "proven to harm the intestinal lining" in normal people. Where's the data that fish oil and vitamin D protect against all the cancers that aspirin does? What a shame you don't even follow simple advice that could save your life some day.
In Reply to: In my opinion posted by Eliza on July 07, 2003 at 20:14:22:
Eliza, you are not impressing me with your information. Taking an isolated supplements IS like taking a drug. Anybody with common sense can figure that out. What is a drug? A drug is a chemical ISOLATE usually developed from the ingredient(s) deemed ACTIVE in plants. The WHOLE plant is not used but only what is deemed the active part. This is why side-effects always accompany drugs. The body does not recognize this as food. The drug does not have all the necessary co-factors that make it easily used by the body. Now, when you take an ISOLATED supplement like beta-carotene, it does not contain the whole COMPLEX of carotenes that allow the body to use it efficiently and without side-effects. Even if you were to take the whole complex of carotenes, you don't know if there are other co-factors in the food that interact with the carotenes providing the full range of benefits. That's why taking isolated supplements are not as healthy, and can even harm you, even in relatively small amounts. Each individual has a nutrients threshold. You can exceed that very easily if you don't know what you need.
-HY
In Reply to: I wouldn't expect it to make sense to you posted by Eliza on July 07, 2003 at 20:16:43:
I don't have time to educate you. There are plenty of studies suggesting these benefits. I don't think people are running around with an aspirin deficiency do you? That one statement of yours discredits anything else you have to say in my opinion. Some people that refuse to make REAL improvements in their health might benefit a little from using this but i have not seen any real clear-cut data showing that benefits outweigh the risks
-HY
In Reply to: Nutrients, tests, and individuality posted by Helping You on July 07, 2003 at 10:33:42:
Thanks, HY.
Those tests are coming at a much faster rate than I would have thought possible just 2 years ago. Reference: June '03 issue of Functional Medicine Update at (800)843-9660.
Let us know what you learn.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: I wouldn't expect it to make sense to you posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 00:54:55:
"I don't have time to educate you."
What a laugh. When you finally post something valuable that I don't already know, I'll let you know.
"I don't think people are running around with an aspirin deficiency do you?"
Who said there's a deficiency? This is a safe and effective way to reduce the risk of fatal disease. A concept you seem unable to grasp once again.
"Some people that refuse to make REAL improvements in their health might benefit a little from using this but i have not seen any real clear-cut data showing that benefits outweigh the risks"
There are reams of data, you simply cannot see. How sad.
In Reply to: Re: In my opinion posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 00:52:39:
Your posts make me believe you have nothing more than a high school education. Please, if you really want to help people, get educated in the life sciences. Your posts, like the one above, are embarrassing.
In Reply to: LOL! posted by Eliza on July 08, 2003 at 17:24:40:
Aspirin THINS the blood. This is the main result that is associated with the health benefits. However, there are MANY natural nutrients that thin the blood that have none of the draw backs of aspirin. Fish oil is one such nutrient. Why use a drug when the natural compound is far more effective with none of the drawbacks? You still refuse to see this? How sad.
-HY
In Reply to: Speaking of impressing posted by Eliza on July 08, 2003 at 17:27:41:
You can insult me if you wish. I have no problem with that. It shows that you have nothing more intelligent to say regarding the issue. I'll take it that you conceed to the above points by your response or should I say "lack" of a response.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Nutrients, tests, and individuality (references) Archive posted by Walt Stoll on July 08, 2003 at 09:12:03:
Yes, I see that. Still, most people taking supplements are not utilizing these tests.
-HY
In Reply to: Cop out posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 20:45:57:
Your points are so fictional and absurd they require no more counterpoint.
In Reply to: The facts posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 20:44:21:
Have you been comprehending any of this? Obviously not. I am talking about the CANCER prevention aspects of aspirin, not the heart attack prevention aspects. These are totally different issues and mechanisms. And by the way, it does not "thin" the blood, it reduces clotting. I truly cannot believe I am reading these responses.
In Reply to: Hello? Is anybody in there? posted by Eliza on July 08, 2003 at 21:57:18:
Sorry Eliza, you are right. The Asprin does REDUCE CLOTTING. I just figured, since I am dealing with someone that needs things explained slowly, that I would give you a more simple answer.
Vitamin D has more cancer prevenative effects in the colon than asprin could EVER have. Keep popping you asprin lol
-HY
In Reply to: No, it is simply tiresome posted by Eliza on July 08, 2003 at 21:53:38:
You speak as though only what YOU have to say is intelligent, correct, and theoretically sound. You are like a dictator in that respect. It's scary. Here's the deal Eliza. As long as you continue to submit your points as undeniable facts, I will continue to rebutt your points and claims should I feel that another point of view might be plausible. It's very difficult to keep things civil with you because you have such a huge ego but I'm trying.
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 22:55:44:
Keep popping you asprin lol
The more she pops it, the sooner you won't need to argue with her. LOL
In Reply to: Re: Nutrients, tests, and individuality (references) Archive posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 20:47:16:
Thanks, HY.
I am not utilizing these tests yet because, in my opinion, they are not yet proven but thay are coming. For now, the elimination/provocation tests are much more reliable.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 03:49:18:
You're right R :-) It's difficult though because Eliza paints a big red target on her forehead that is difficult to go unnoticed
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by Helping You on July 09, 2003 at 13:10:02:
If it's fun for you, more power to you. I hope you realize that you don't have to convince her in anything. And you (none of us, actually) are responsible for choices made by readers on this board. Present your data and view and let others make their choice. They are not your little kids.
I am saying this because I have realized recently that I have spent too much time communicating on different forums and have neglected more important aspects of my life. It'd been an addiction. So, my advice to you is this: any time you feel you have to reply to somebody, ask yourself if you really have to and what will happen if you don't and if you have more important things to deal with at the moment. And I strongly believe that you won't convince Eliza in what you believe in (but even if you do, is it worth all the efforts and time?). So, don't spend too much time on her.
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 17:02:03:
You're right. And I DO have other things that need attention. Thanks
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 22:55:44:
Gee HY, it only took ten posts for you to realize I was talking about cancer and not heart disease! You are really too much!
Now where is your clinical evidence that vitamin D "has more cancer prevenative effects in the colon than asprin could EVER have"? This ought to be good, I can't wait for your canned Westonprice response! LOL!!
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 03:49:18:
Yet it also a pity that people like you who eat high meat diets and are at higher risk of gastro-intestinal cancers will not take a simple product that would significantly decrease your risk of dying from a horrible disease. I guess the saying is correct, you can lead a horse to water, but cannot make it drink!
In Reply to: Re: Hello? Is anybody in THERE? posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 17:02:03:
Since the vast majority of HY's beliefs are factually incorrect, and many are flat out dangerous, the chances of him convincing me are nil. But it is humorous to see his silly attempts to prove points!
In Reply to: Oh boy posted by Helping You on July 08, 2003 at 22:59:50:
Most of my points are facts. And most of yours are fabrications. That is the major problem here!
In Reply to: You guys are hilarious posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 22:41:57:
I wish you would be able to see me dance on your grave a hundred years after your death. However, you will not be able to so because you'll be suffering through an eternal forced sex orgy after you die.
In Reply to: Good advice posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 22:44:21:
The real reason he won't be able to convince you is because of your gigantic ego. This is unhealthy, and I'd recommend that you find some ego reduction remedy. Oh, if you have children and they are like you, be sure they take aspirin too.
In Reply to: I agree with your first sentence posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 22:59:51:
You're funny lol. I've never seen the likes of such an ego. An ego is not good to have in the health field. You get stuck on an idea and refuse to let go at the expense of your own pride. It's sad
-HY
In Reply to: Re: Nutrients, tests, and individuality (references) Archive posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2003 at 10:08:59:
I agree with you! :-)
-HY
In Reply to: You guys are hilarious posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 22:41:57:
Eliza, MEAT does not cause cancer of the colon lol. BURNED meat CAN cause cancer of the colon but then again, any charred or burned food will cause this. Rare or raw meat does not do this. Again, you ignore history. Man has eaten meat since the dawn of time with no colon cancer. Is there any end to your irrational thinking?
-HY
In Reply to: Good advice posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 22:44:21:
Eliza, I haven't laughed that long all day. Thanx for the chuckle. :-)
-HY
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by R. on July 09, 2003 at 23:56:02:
Hey R, have you read Robert Monroe?
If not, you might. Your sex orgy reference comes almost straight from one of his books!
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by thessa on July 10, 2003 at 02:04:50:
Is it the one who's experimented with mind entrainment techniques?
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by R. on July 10, 2003 at 03:58:24:
No, he tried as much as possible to report his out of body experiences in a scientific manner. In one of his travels he encountered a writhing ball of souls who had recently crossed over (died) that were trying with all their might to have a huge orgy. But without a physical body it was kind of difficult...
If you knew more about these types of souls, you would see the witty and complex "insult" you gave to Eliza by suggesting she would be one of them from an exciting new perspective.
ha ha
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by thessa on July 10, 2003 at 04:31:13:
I wish I had read it :)
This guy sounds like the one who founded The Monroe Institute (http://www.monroeinstitute.org/). He was into out-of-body experiences, brainwave entraiment (not entertainment!), expanded awareness, etc.
Do you happen to remember the name of the book?
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by R. on July 10, 2003 at 04:52:15:
Yes! That's him! I didn't get the connection with the "brainwave entraiment" clue.
He has written 3 books. They kind of go in consecutive order because he wrote them as he was learning. You can probably find them at the MI website.
Journeys out of the body
Far Journeys
Ultimate Journey
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by thessa on July 10, 2003 at 05:00:46:
Are they mostly entertaining or educational? Do you recommend them?
Thessa, since you are into consciousness exploration and herbs, you might be interested in Sacramental herbs. When you try any of them, please let me know. I am interested in this too.
In Reply to: Re: You guys are hilarious posted by R. on July 10, 2003 at 05:08:43:
For me they are very educational because I am focusing on astral travel, but don't have the resources right now to go to the Institute for the programs. I read his books along with a book called Astral Travel by the Frosts and Matrix V from Leading Edge Research. I'm on my second reading of them, so yes, I would recommend them.
Thanks for the link. I had researched Salvia divinorum and would like to try it, but haven't gotten around to finding a source yet. I would prefer to grow from seed. I have never heard of the others, so I'm excited to look into them.
Here's another on Salvia divinorum link.
This is an interesting link too The Vaults of Erowid
In Reply to: Good advice posted by Eliza on July 09, 2003 at 22:44:21:
As long as you ARE going to ignore good advice, maybe you can play by the rules in these "debates" of yours:
THE RULES
(what not to do)
In Reply to: Re: Good advice (what not to do) posted by Gregory on July 10, 2003 at 14:15:00:
Hi Gregory,
How could you leave off the biggest "what not to do" on this BB? The ever-popular:
If nobody did that, BB traffic would drop significantly.
Bill
In Reply to: Re: Good advice (what not to do) posted by Bill on July 10, 2003 at 14:23:36:
I think it is sometimes justified to act contrary to "We should disregard Share B.C.'s argument because they are being funded by the logging industry. (ad hominem circumstantial)". For example, when somebody uses results of some study that is funded by some interest group, it is hard to take results for their face value. They may appear as logical data and conclusions, whereas, in fact, they may be (and this does happen) falsified. So, it is natural to say, "this comes from xyz, so I am going to ignore this study".
In Reply to: Re: Good advice (what not to do) posted by Bill on July 10, 2003 at 14:23:36:
That's why I didn't include it.
You do want to get more than 10 hits per day, don't you? ;-}
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