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Hey everyone!
I am thinking of starting B complex vitamins to help with my stress response. I am a vegetarian and dont get a lot of these vitamins in my diet.
Does anyone have any experience with these? What kinds/types are best? Any side effects?
Thanks in advance for any help!
sincerely,
sk
In Reply to: B complex vitamins posted by sk on October 05, 2001 at 07:54:41:
The best B complex for you would be one that is in a "food-State". This means it is a "whole food". New Chapter and Rainbow Light have whole food complexes.
Keep in mind, that as a vegetarian, B complex vitamins are not the only nutrients you need to worry about getting. There is evidence that many vegetarians are deficient in not only B vitamins, but iron, fat-soluble vitamins such as vitamin D, A, E, and K, and minerals such as magnesium, and certain trace minerals. The reason behind this is, only animal products contain highly-absorbable forms of these vitamins. for example, Butter is the richest sources of vitamin D and A. Red Meat is one of the richest sources of Vitamine B's, iron, zinc, fat-soluble vitmains, omega 3 fatty acids (if the beef is from grass-fed cows).
Your beliefs are just as important as the next person so you do what you feel is right. My opinion is, you would fare far better if you incorporated SOME animal protein into your diet. This would help with stress far better than taking the b complex vitamins. Cold-Water Fish and DHA-enhanced organic Eggs may suit your needs. You might consider using some raw butter on ocassion.
For a FANTASTIC look at traditional diets of cultures from around the world, visit www.westonaprice.org. Also, www.mercola.com has some great nutritional wisdom and studies to back it up.
Lastly, I should tell you that I was a vegetarian for 3 years. In that time, my weight slowly declined, My energy left me, and people told me I looked like I just escaped from a Nazi prison camp. I used to believe that animal foods had nothing to offer but protein. Boy was I wrong. After learning about the works of Weston Price and incorporating some of these traditional foods into my diet, I gained ALl my weight back and I look better than ever. This doesn't mean everybody should eat animal protein. Some poeple live long healthy lives on a vegetarian diet. However, the majority of people, especially westerner's living in a high-pace society with daily stresses, need to incorporate a modest amount of animal foods to remain healthy. i hope you find this info useful.
In Reply to: B complex vitamins posted by sk on October 05, 2001 at 07:54:41:
I have had great success with Solaray's B-100 complex. I am not vegetarian (rats are omnivorous), but DID suffer many symptoms of stress. I can honestly say that I can tell teh difference when I take my B complex.
good luck - I think you might be pleasantly surprised with the difference.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins posted by Helping You on October 05, 2001 at 13:39:52:
Thanks, Helping You.
As you know, the B vitamins are only one small slice of all the micronutrieints now known to be needed for an optimally functioning human.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 06, 2001 at 08:17:35:
Right! Which is why I offered to this person that while the B vitamins may temporarily help with the stress-effect, they won't do nearly as well as a clean, varied, omnivorous diet comprised of pure, whole foods. The problem is, many people don't want to hear this or are expecting something greater. Some posters even say, "I'm already doing SR, so what else can I do"? To me, that is like saying, "I am already getting to the cause of the problem, so how can I get to the cause"? huh??? Now I DO believe that there are many things people can do in addition to their SR to get the benefits they are looking for. I just hope people don't take these suggestions as a way out of their SR.
Sincerely,
Helping You
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by Helping You on October 06, 2001 at 10:37:35:
Helping you!
Just a question...how do you know so much? I am VERY impressed.
Also, you sound like a proponent of the whole foods diet. I am going to try it. I have a VERY healthy diet, no dairy (lactose intolerant), low fat, low sugar, high in fruits and veggies, no meat, but also (I am now learning) kind of high in refined stuff like dry cereals, crackers etc. I do try to eat mostly whole wheat stuff, but if it is refined it sounds like it wont do a bit of good.
I also am considering adding chicken and turkey BACK into my diet...I took them out a couple of years ago because they seemed to make me sick/tired when I ate them. But, I am running out of protein/vitamin sources. your post actually got me thinking about it, and now I am on the right road to that too.
thanks for all your help! I am curious to know what you think about the Whole Foods Diet outlined in Beth Loiselle's book.
Thanks Helping you!
Sk
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by sk on October 06, 2001 at 11:52:35:
Actually, I have yet to get this book. I would like to know her rendition of this. To me, a whole food is anything that is "unchanged" from its natural state. Orange juice would not be a whole food but an orange would be. however, I have been hearing strange things like a banana not being a whole food because one has to peel it first. This I don't quite understand. I will buy the book in order to learn more.
I should hope that a whole foods diet looks good to you (lol) because it is the only diet that we were meant to eat. twinkies and puffed rice weren't staples of the cave man diet right (lol)? I too believe you would fair far better eating a whole foods diet, eliminating ALL refined cereal foods, eliminating wheat and using sprouted/soaked grains instead, and adding some organic DHA-enhanced eggs and some cold-water fish to your diet. If all goes well, try adding raw butter to your vegetables. If all goes well, try adding a small amount of poultry and grass-fed beef. I think the fish and eggs would be easier sources of protein for you to digest right now. your body has forgotten how to process meat. So don't think that you are going to eat some meat and feel great. you might not. You might have to get used to it again. eating the fish/eggs/meat with raw cultured vegetbales, onions, garlic, and taking digestive enzymes high in protease (plus the probiotics L.Salivarius and L.Plantarum) will help your body adjust better. Start off slowly and increase gradually (only 1 change per week). I think you are REALLY on the right track now!
I have learned all I have from the process of healing myself. I have worked with some great health professionals and I have learned from them the various therapies, nutrients, and supplements needed to restore health in a wide-variety of health problems.
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by Helping You on October 06, 2001 at 10:37:35:
Amen, Helping You.
By the way, a banana IS a whole food without it's peeling.
The thing is that ANY fruit might invalidate an individual person's efforts when trying to break the addiction of their Krebs Cycle. As far as I am concerned, this is the only time when fruits might be a problem.
I have always tried to remind people that if one thing (SR for example) is worth 3 wellness points, doing 2 is worth 9 points (not 6) and doing all 3 is worth 27 points (not 9). These approaches are mulitplicative and not just additive.
Hope this helps.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 07, 2001 at 15:31:20:
Thanks Walt. Completely clear!
-Helping You
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by Helping You on October 07, 2001 at 14:20:26:
Helping you -
You should get Beth's book....nothing about bananas or anythign weird within...all great info and I think you would like it. You may know it all already, but there are great recipes and lots of alternatives. Anyone who says they cant find anything to eat should look harder.
It is just hard for a lot of people to not eat processed foods, for whatever reason. For someone who has a fairly healthy diet in general, the transition to the whole foods is not that bad.
Thanks for your thoughts. I will let you know what happens!
Sincerely,
sk
In Reply to: Re: B complex vitamins (Archive in supplements.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 07, 2001 at 15:31:20:
Dr Stoll or Helping you.....
Can you clarify the terms "addiction of their Krebs cycle"? I am (of course, being an exercise physiologist) familiar with the Krebs cycle, but we never talk about this aspect of it.
I am a BIG TIME fruit eater, but if I need to cut them out, I will definitely try it. How would I know if I needed to cut them out...without having a stool test or any other tests....I am BROKE from going to SO MANY DOCS and as a result of an insurance company mistake, being in the wrong network.....so I was paying out of pocket for so many of these visits...
Thanks for any info! you guys are great!
Sk
In Reply to: can you clarify Dr Stoll or Helping you? posted by sk on October 08, 2001 at 07:20:35:
Maybe just cutting back on fruit - I don't know your situation, but you don't have to stop eating fruit I don't think. Fruit is good for all of us. Even if you eat just 2-3 pieces a day of non sweet fruit, that should be fine. I wonder myself if I should be eating as much fruit as I do. I love apples, grapefruit, kiwi's, peaches, etc.
Mike
In Reply to: Re: can you clarify Dr Stoll or Helping you? posted by Mike V. on October 08, 2001 at 18:38:20:
Hi, Mike -
I don't mean to be "butting in", but when I read that you love apples, it reminded me of my situation. I can eat lots of fruit; but, I find that apples and pears do not digest well for me. I try them again after a few months to see if things have changed and for a while, I found that I could eat apples but not for long. My mother went by the "apple a day" rule and ate many more than one a day! (I know because I brought them to her). She lived to be 94 and was in very good health when she died of pneumonia. So, my feeling is that as long as you can eat the fruits without feeling any bad effects then it's O.K. Only my opinion, of course.
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