Supplements historical posts May 1998

Re: Ester C, Biofeedback and more...

Dear Terrie & Terri,

The Ester C IS the right stuff. Bioflavinoids are good--especially if you are not taking them from somewhere else.

The American Association of Biofeedback Clinicians has a website at http://www.biofeedback.net/aapb.org

I would be surprised if you could not find someone close to you via this 'site. If you have trouble, write again.

Becoming sensitive to signals from various parts of the body is one of the common ways one starts on the road to relieving stored "stress-effect" in the bodymind. Rolfing is well known for triggering these awarnesses & releases.

In the long run, practicing an effective skilled relaxation technique, and imaging the different parts of the bodymind, is the most effective. Rolfing would get one there faster but would have to be repeated every couple of years.

If cost is no object, you can combine them both & get the best of both approaches.

Namaste` to you both, Walt

Re: Ester C, Biofeedback and more...

In Reply to: Re: Ester C, Biofeedback and more... posted by Walt Stoll on May 01, 1998 at 09:54:31:

Thanks for the info walt. I tried the url and got file not found. So I just put in http://www.biofeedback.net and then I did get a biofeedback board. I found that the biofeedback society of california is in my town! I hope to hear back from them soon for a referal. I started the ester- c and developed serious headaches(reminicent of spinal tap). Could it have been a coincidence? I stopped it and the headaches are slowly lessening. I also started the ginger juice today for reflux and I had a hard time not vomiting. Is that usual? Thanks so much for all your help!

Anyone know of healing power of Papaya?

My massage therapist said she had this intuitive feeling that foods like papaya and yams would be very healing for me to eat right now. I am on a liquid diet and can't chew nor swallow anything but Ensure and the supplements I add to it.

I did try some papaya juice and it went down very comfortably. It is mild so it did not cause my jaw mucles to tighten from puckering. It felt great. It is high in C and A and aids in digestion so maybe this will also help the leaky gut.

Just wanted to know if anyone knew more about Papaya....

Thanks,
pamela j.

Re: Anyone know of healing power of Papaya?

In Reply to: Anyone know of healing power of Papaya? posted by Pamela J on May 01, 1998 at 17:27:56:

Papaya has "papase" an extract that is used for reduction of swellings and releif from back pain. It is available in tablet form and is usually dispensed to patients who have been injured and have tissue inflamation. Zarin

Vit. C - Dr. Weil's Opinion

I received this via Dr. Weil's weekly newsletter.

Since this study hit the news I've been
flooded with e-mail on the question.
The British study you're referring to,
published in the April 9 issue of
Nature, claims that vitamin C is an
effective antioxidant, but only if taken
in low doses -- 60 mg per day. Larger
doses -- 500 mg or more daily --
these researchers say, may cause
cell damage. The study conducted by
Dr. Ian D. Podmore and colleagues
from the University of Leicester, U.K.,
consisted of 30 healthy volunteers
taking 500 mg of vitamin C a day for
six weeks. Before and during the
intake of the vitamin, researchers
watched two indicators of oxidation
damage in DNA from the volunteers'
white blood cells. While taking the
supplements, one indicator showed
less oxidation in the volunteers, and
the other indicator showed more
oxidation than before they began
taking the supplementation. If you
think it sounds confusing and
contradictory, and raises a lot of
questions, you're not alone.

For clarification I went to Professor
Balz Frei, who directs the Linus
Pauling Institute at Oregon State
University. Professor Frei says the
new finding is contrary to many
others, directly contradicts at least
one other recent study, and focuses
too narrowly on a single biological
marker that has yet to be proven as a
good indicator of oxidative stress
and cell damage. He adds, "The
value of vitamin C in lowering the risk
of cancer, heart disease and other
serious health problems must be
considered in its totality, not just in a
focus on one single aspect of its
biological effect."

Always keep in mind that, unwittingly,
press coverage tends to distort the
importance of these
less-than-impressive studies, and
may present factual information in a
misleading manner. Director of the
Life Sciences Division of Natural and
Medicinal Products Research Alex G.
Schauss, Ph.D., said, "The story that
ran in the New York Times did not
reveal that the investigators made no
claim that vitamin C caused any
clinical evidence of harm. In fact, the
original Reuters release quoted the
authors as stating that 'vitamin C
works as an antioxidant by attacking
certain oxygen atoms called free
radicals, which are produced by the
body and stimulate cancer growth.'
These researchers further
commented that the use of vitamin C
could be justified."

Until there's new information that
offers substantial and conclusive
evidence that refutes the scientific
findings to date, I'm going to continue
taking 2,000 mg of vitamin C divided
into smaller doses throughout the
day.

Re: Anyone know of healing power of Papaya?

In Reply to: Re: Anyone know of healing power of Papaya? posted by Zarin on May 02, 1998 at 05:52:18:

Thanks Zarin for the reply. I DO have inflamation and pain. So it will be very good for me.

peace and love,
pamela

Re: Ester C, Biofeedback and more...

In Reply to: Re: Ester C, Biofeedback and more... posted by B 12 Terri on May 01, 1998 at 14:47:25:

Dear Terrie,

Since you survived the "first time" ginger juice, you will do OK. It gets easier each time you take it. Your reaction is not that unusual.

So far as the vitamin C is concerned, although rare, your symptoms COULD be from a rapid detoxification--one of the effects of vitamin C in therapeutic doses. If that is NOT it, I would think that it was a coincidence.

If it is related through detox, it would be temporary. If you persisted, it soon would not happen & is a GOOD sign though not comfortable.

Walt

CoEnzyme Q10, Ester C, Zinc ?????????

Dear Dr. Stoll,

Thanks for replying to my question posted May 4. However, I just wanted to double check the dosage you recommended. Do I just take the zinc twice a day and everything else just once? For instance, would I take your recommended dosage of 2000 mg of Ester C twice a day for a total of 4000, etc.

I'm just confused on what's once a day and what's twice a day.

Also, in your reply, you mentioned that I should follow my conventional management program. I just wanted to let you know that I have no such program. The only thing my doctor has me doing is looking at a lined chart with a dot in the center of a chart and to report any change such as missing lines, wavy lines, missing corners, etc. I'm dismayed because if I do indeed see these changes, it means I'm already losing vision. Then, the doctors will want to probably want to perform surgery. Real good preventive medicine there, hunh?!

I'm including your reply in this posting (see below). I am also very delighted that there is something I can do to save my vision! Thanks for your enlightenment.

Sorry for my confusion.

Sue

P.S. WISH YOU WERE BACK IN KENTUCKY!

Dear Sue,

They definitely can! For now, you need to carefully follow your conventional management since it can reduce the progressive damage--even though it has nothing to do with resolving the causes.

You have to be willing to begin a serious wellness program (my book --link on this page). If I were you, I would also start at least 100 milligrams of CoEnzyme Q10, 200 units of vitamin E, 2000 milligrams of esterified vitamin C and 50 milligrams of Zinc twice a day. None of these can hurt you & you will see an improvement in your vision within a couple of weeks with this alone. That will help portect you while you are learning about wellness & getting that program started.

As you improve, I hope you will share your experiences with the BB participants. Others deserve to know that they are not being given all of their options by the conventional medical monopoly.

Walt

Re: CoEnzyme Q10, Ester C, Zinc ?????????

In Reply to: CoEnzyme Q10, Ester C, Zinc ????????? posted by Ocular histoplasmosis/Retinal Detachment/#2 on May 11, 1998 at 12:54:35:

Dear Sue,

If it was not plain, it was MY fault, not yours. I meant for you to take the dosages mentioned twice a day.

What I meant about the conventional management WAS what you are doing. This is designed to let the doc know, the soonest possible, that laser "tacking" is needed to prevent FURTHER loss of vision. Until your preventive approach works, you need this added protection since there is nothing else known for you to do. Once the vision changes, call him AT ONCE and he will get you in as an emergency. In the meantime, avoid jarring your head (or making any sudden movements) with your head till the "tacking" can be done.

WHATEVER YOU DO , DON'T HAVE AN AUTO ACCIDENT ON THE WAY TO THE DOC FOR THE TACKING!!!!!!!!

Walt

You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural.

Hello. Really like your site.
I have a question on your cure for the common cold.
I happen to agree with what you say, however, the amount of
vitamin C sure seems to be far greater than any quantity
that one might find in nature. I too take a pile of vitamins
(with E, the oils, and other good stuff) and follow a whole
foods diet, exercise, and some meditation. I'm working on
that. (sorry to ramble) Anyway, how can the very large dose
of vitamin C be justified? Doesn't it create very expensive
urine?
(Didn't Linus Pauling take many grams/day?)

Thanks for the interesting site. I just ordered the book.
Pete Reinhard
PS: One other thing I'd add to your common cold cure list
would be to "Wash your hands". Maybe you can take fewer
vitamins if you keep the stuff away from you more often:-)

Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural.

In Reply to: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural. posted by Pete R on May 14, 1998 at 13:03:04:

Dear Pete,

Since I take 14 grams of esterified vitamin C daily and find it indispensable to my healing process from leaky gut syndrome, I wanted to put in my two cents worth. Yeah, Pauling took around 20 grams of C per day. He also lived into his nineties with a phenomenally active mind and a very strong immune system. Sure, counterarguments can be made as to the vagaries of inherent genetic predisposition, but at this point in my personal research on vit C, I find the counterarguments specious. Note the latest junk that just recently came out saying that over 500 mg C daily could be toxic. As for myself, if I take under 14 grams ESTERIFIED C daily (the most readily metabolizable form available) I'm a constipated, food allergic, open to any virus that comes down the pike wreck. I'd rather err on the side of expensive urine than be plugged for a week, As I continue my comprehensive wellness problem, I wouldn't be surprised if my REAL NEED for the megadose of C diminishes. And as Walt says so often, "it's not what you take but what you do." When I get to the state of health where I don't have to take so much, believe me, I'll be delighted. But for now at least, it's a true necessity. And I keep on doing, with skilled relaxation, whole foods diet, and exercise. My underlying concern is that most off us as medical consumers and as docs have brainwashed into swallowing the current allopathic paradigm. Take a doc-prescribed pharmaceutical industry pill of the spooky toxicity of accutane, and that's ok, but trying out vitamin C to the levels that one's own body intuitively knows is safe and healing is not ok. If you read mainstream medical journal articles regularly, the blatant bias against alternative healing methods and flat-out predjuduce against publishing well-researched articles on the safety of substances like vit C becomes nauseatingly manifest. And finally, I passionately believe that we need an integration of alternative and allopathic methods to make medicine the healing modality that it should be. If this had been the case when I first started getting sick, I probably wouldn't need to be taking 14 grams of esterified C daily now.

All the best!
Kyra

Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural.

In Reply to: Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural. posted by Kyra on May 14, 1998 at 13:40:29:

Kyra, if your taking 14 g a day of vitamin C you probably have the answer to my questions. 1) What is the difference between "esterified C" and regular C. 2) Is "esterified C" the same as "synthetic" vitamin C?

My doc diagnosed me with IBS, but I'm beginning to think I'm in the early stages of LGS. Didn't know vitamin C was good for it. Is there a reason you use the esterified version rather than regular?

Thanks,
Gerry

Re: esterified vitamin C

In Reply to: Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural. posted by Gerry on May 14, 1998 at 15:30:20:

Dear Gerry,

An ester, as defined by The Mosby Medical Encyclopedia is "a class of chemical compound formed by an alcohol bonding to one or more organic acids." To esterify somthing is to turn it into an ester. Regular vitamin C is ascorbic acid, an organic acid which can be produced by some animals (not humans) or manufactured synthetically. So esterified vitamin C, if I understand it correctly, is ascorbic acid which has been converted into an ester form. According to Dr. Stoll's book (p. 32), "Esterified C is twice as easily absorbed as regular C...(it) is the only form of this vitamin that is so advanced over the regular molecule that it has been patented...vitamin C is one of the most powerful antioxidants. On page 71 of his book, Dr. Stoll goes into leaky gut syndrome as a process, and on p. 72 includes IBS as related to this process.

Vitamin C in general does the following: alleviates allergic reactions, has an antihistamine-like effect, assists tissue oxygenation, is an antiviral, fights infections, helps in the healing of wounds, works as a natural laxative at the "right" dosage, helps produce adrenal hormones (which would tie right into the "fight-or-flight" response underlying LGS), relieves local inflammatory reactions, increases immunoglobulin production, and improves white blood cell function. There's probably lots more to it. Anyway, esterified C does all of the above but does it lots better than regular vitamin C, and as Dr. Stoll says, at a lower dosage than regular vitamin C.

After all that, I take the stuff because it simply makes me feel so much better, and I KNOW it it a gut level. No bad pun intended.

Hope this helps!
Kyra

Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural.

In Reply to: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural. posted by Pete R on May 14, 1998 at 13:03:04:

I have to say, I love this question. It is not a natural thing to choke down mega doses of vitamin C. However, if a person is deficient in some aspect of their immune system there are particualr substances that will aid in recovery and/or were deficient to start with then it makes more sense. Drinking 36 ounces of water is not a naturally occuring thing but for someone who just ran a marathon(another unnatural thing;-) then that much water might be indicated.

The complete diet you speak of is a far greater tool against getting the cold in the first place. Treating the body after it gets sick makes sense, but keeping yourself at a natural optimum is by far superior.

Something you might find interesting is that Chimpanzee's(i think it was) learn from each other about certain plants to eat when they suffer from particular illnesses such as upset stomachs. They eat a particular plant in much greater quantities than normal. Yet this would be considered a natural thing in some circles.

Choking down some vitamin C which will enhance your bodies ability to reach homeostasis is natural in comparison to the cold remedies that the pharmaceutical companies would have you take.

Vitamin C absorption is obviously an issue and I was taught that only so much could be absorbed. After watching a guy get stung by wasps 15-20 times and then take a megadose of vit C I thought "what a goofy thing to do, you can't absorb all that". Then I noticed that the reaction of the stings was minimal. Much, much less than I had anticipated. Maybe we don't know as much as we think we do when it comes to the absorbtion of certain things.

Again, I think your logic is excellent but the practicality of it might be incorrect. It IS unnatural in some ways to megadose but other animals do it and it's sure beats medical remedies that only supress symptoms and prolong the illness.

Great post!

Re: esterified vitamin C

Dear George,

I have to defer to Dr. Stoll on your question. He's the expert, and I can only speak for my own reactions to things. What works for me might not for you. What I CAN do is sincerely empathize with what you're going through!

All the best!
Kyra

Re: Anyone know of healing power of Papaya?

In Reply to: Anyone know of healing power of Papaya? posted by Pamela J on May 01, 1998 at 17:27:56:

PAPAYA-
ALSO SOURCE OF BETA-CAROTINE,
TRY LOTS OF OLIVE OIL TO SEAL GUT!
GREEN (WARM) JAPANEESE TEA WITH JASMIN CAN NOT HEART YOU!

Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural.

In Reply to: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural. posted by Pete R on May 14, 1998 at 13:03:04:

Thanks, Pete.

Of course you are right. However, nutritional medicine knows the difference between a nutritional dose of a nutrient and a medicinal dose. In the case of the esterified vitamin C, we are talking about a medicinal dose. Once one gets enough vitamin C into the white cell, the interferon factories are turned on.

Those who give the old, tired, "expensive urine" argument are just exposing their intentional ignorance. Medical research has shown for more than 10 years that the way vitamin C works is by altering the energy levels of electrons from the outer shells of the molecule. By the time it gets to the urine, the molecule still shows up on crude lab instruments as vitamin C but it is vitamin C that is no longer "active". It has done its job. Many other things are like that but the allopathic bias against anything that might help the body help itself denies this information.

Linus Pauling DID take about 15 grams of regular C a day & lived well into his 90s. Not TOO shabby-------even though he did not catch onto the advantages of esterified C before his death.

I agree with your statements about washing hands. However, it is SO FAR down the list of things that will have a major effect that I don't even mention it. I could write a book about this subject. I had to work hard to keep it to just a chapter. I have not even mentioned zinc lozenges, even though they will shorten most "colds" by about 50%. I am mainly interested in things that will prevent things from happening and, if the person "gets" it anyway, that any approach improve not only the "cold" but increase the general level of health as well. The person could not have "caught" the cold if their immunity was up to snuff. Since "each illness is an opportunity for learning" I prefer to boost the entire system to help prevent even more bothersone things that can happen to a weakened immunity.

I hope this clarifies my aim as well as some of the points you made. It is obvious to me that you are far along in being healthier than the "average American citizen".

Keep up the good work!

Walt

Re: esterified vitamin C

Dear George,

Vitamin C cannot cause your "breaking out" but the many additives in the cheaper forms of this product can. Even the source can be the problem but not the vitamin C itself.

Listen to Kyra & If you have more questions, write again.

Walt

Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural.

In Reply to: Re: You recommend Mega-Doses of Vit C. That is not natural. posted by Kyra on May 14, 1998 at 13:40:29:

Any one who claims that Vitamin C- can be toxic, has a toxic mind!
"C"- one of a very few vitamins which when in exceess, will be quickly drained out! "C"- for ages was blessed with boosting immunne system.

RAMBLING - about toxicity of "C" is only a - RAMBLING!!

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Re: esterified vitamin C

Kyra

My ester-c is by Natrol. On the label, it says, "each level tsp. contains 3200mg of Vitamin C from Ester-C calcium ascorbate and 320mg Calcium for Ester-C calcium ascorbate. Can you explain what that means? Does all ester c have calcium in it? Cant you get too much calcium if you take megadoses of this?

When I take it, my stomach always burns a little afterward.

Also, I have frequent diarrhea. How would I ever figure out when it was the C or some other offender that was giving me the diarrhea?

Thanks!!

Nancy

Re: esterified vitamin C

In Reply to: Re: esterified vitamin C posted by Kyra on May 16, 1998 at 16:04:16:

Kyra

My ester-c is by Natrol. On the label, it says, "each level tsp. contains 3200mg of Vitamin C from Ester-C calcium ascorbate and 320mg Calcium for Ester-C calcium ascorbate. Can you explain what that means? Does all ester c have calcium in it? Cant you get too much calcium if you take megadoses of this?

When I take it, my stomach always burns a little afterward.

Also, I have frequent diarrhea. How would I ever figure out when it was the C or some other offender that was giving me the diarrhea?

Thanks!!

Nancy

Re: esterified vitamin C

Kyra,

Thank you so much for your reply. Just a few more ?'s if you
don't mind. Do you like the powder or tablets? And is the full
dose taken at once or spread out over the day? Best taken
with food or on a empty stomach?
I have tried HCL in the past but didn't see a BIG difference.
However I have found a digestive enzyme that has helped
quite a bit. [with the bloated feeling]
I truley hope the ester c does for me what it has for you, for if it does, you are truley a "GOD SEND".

Thanks again

George

Re: esterified vitamin C

In Reply to: Re: esterified vitamin C posted by George on May 18, 1998 at 20:31:13:

Dear George,

I take 7 grams of ester C tablets at a time, after breakfast and after dinner for a total of 14 grams. I actually bought the ester C powder for the first time today, having spotted it for the first time at a health food store. It's definitely cheaper than the tablets, and especially at the dosage I take it may prove more cost effective. Having said that, I'm a lazy sod and I'd much rather take the tablets.

Happy healing, and hope it works for you. I'm sure everyone who reads this BB regularly would be delighted to hear your continuing healing story and your questions.

Love, Kyra

Re: esterified vitamin C

In Reply to: Re: esterified vitamin C posted by Nancy on May 17, 1998 at 16:26:59:

Dear Nancy,

I take my esterified C straight.

You could find out if your C was causing loose stools by stopping it for a few days and then restarting it.

Depending on how long you have had the stools, the cause is likely more due to an effect of LGS than the C.

Walt

Herpanacine

What are your thoughts regarding the safety and/or effectiveness of taking Herpanacine with regards to skin problems such as eczema?

FYI, the contents are: l-lysine hcl, l-tyrosine, vitamine e, dandelion leaf, sarsaparilla root, astralgus root, vitamine a, ligustrum berry, echinacea root and selenium.

Thank you.

Re: Herpanacine

In Reply to: Herpanacine posted by Sue on May 08, 1998 at 20:43:03:

Dear Sue,

Even if this worked, it is just another "treatment" & the benefits would almost certainly be temporary. I am assuming that you are interested in something permanent.

Theere is a link to this 'site that goes to a goes to a good herbologist's 'site if you want to pursue the herbal stuff. If it works, at least is would be safer than any other conventional treatment I know.

Use the archives feature for this bb & read about eczema AND psoriasis (since both have the same basic causes). If they are not yet archived, send a note to my son, Bill, who does all the technical parts for this bb, & see when they will be done. you could start a note just like you did here & just put his name in the title to draw his attention.

Walt

Re: Herpanacine

In Reply to: Re: Herpanacine posted by Walt Stoll on May 11, 1998 at 09:19:58:

No archives on eczema or psoriasis. However, if they have been mentioned before they are probably associated with some other concept and may have been archived under that other concept. I did a quick search and found references scattered under archives on

1. Robert McFerran's book


2. Glucosamine


3. Hiatus Hernia


4. Graves Disease


5. Leaky Gut Syndrome


6. Lupus


7. Philosophy


8. Supplements

You can find all these references in the archives.

Bill



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Bill: Archives

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 14, 1998 at 10:11:45:

In Reply to: Re: Herpanacine posted by Bill on May 12, 1998 at 10:06:47:

Dear Bill,

What would I do without you on this 'site??????????

This seems like a lot of work for you. Perhaps we should have a discussion about archiving things on the basis of which organ system is involved (like it is done in medical texts). That would make it easier for all of us. Let's talk?

Love, Dad




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Best source of Esterified C?

Posted by Pamela J on May 27, 1998 at 16:09:58:

Dear Dr Stoll,

I know you mentioned it before, but I don't remember where you posted what the best source of esterified C is from.

Are any of them powdered so I can drink them? Is that okay as far as you know?

Also, I need to get off drinking Ensure. It appears that I may never be able to eat solid food again. I was able to drink a watery vegetable broth.

Can you recommend a soy protein source of food for me? I don't know what will happen to me having to live on a liquid diet for the rest of my life. I am sure that I am not the only one. I know I need to eliminate ALL sugars since I have a serious case of Candida. Ensure has too much sugar.

Thanks.

peace and love,
pamela



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Re: Best source of Esterified C?

Posted by Peter Wray on May 28, 1998 at 06:38:22:

In Reply to: Best source of Esterified C? posted by Pamela J on May 27, 1998 at 16:09:58:

Hi Pamela,
I use esterified vit. c in a powdered form. I just mix it with water and it goes down OK. I have been using Sisu, but recently found out that it contains corn as a filler and a few other things. For many people these fillers really don't matter, but sounds like they would in your case. You may want to try Pro C Ascorbate from Professional Health Products LTD., Nutritional Div., Sewickley, PA 15143-2305.


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Re: Best source of Esterified C?

Posted by Kyra on May 28, 1998 at 11:56:52:

In Reply to: Best source of Esterified C? posted by Pamela J on May 27, 1998 at 16:09:58:


Dear Pamela,

It always is humbling to realize how much we have to learn from each other. Peter's advice re. the brand he uses sounds worth exploring, and I'll give it a try myself if it's available in the U.S. As for my own esterified C explorations up 'til now, I've found NOW Foods, Bloomingdale IL, 60106 to be the most effective esterified C source I've tried. I can take less for better results (8 grams daily instead of 14 grams), and although I take the tablets, it's also available in powdered form. Am also remembering a point in my illness years ago when I couldn't tolerate eating solid foods. If I ate anything my abdomen would distend to the size of a third trimester pregnancy, along with pain. Don't know if this is an option for you, but I found that I could tolerate bananas, turkey, and spinach as long as I pureed them in a blender (separately; the whole mess together would have been revolting) and then added enough liquid (don't remember what kind) so that I could drink the mixture. I'd probably triy unsweetened soy milk now. Over a period of several months my symptoms abated and I was able to eat "normally" again. I know this isn't your issue specifically, but MAYBE it'd be a way of getting some real foods down, albeit in a diluted form.

Love and healing!
Kyra




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Thanks - Buffered C gives stomach ache

Posted by Pamela J on May 28, 1998 at 13:58:28:

In Reply to: Best source of Esterified C? posted by Pamela J on May 27, 1998 at 16:09:58:

Dear Kyra and Peter,

Thanks for the help. I always read your posts and learn so much from you both.

The buffered C with magnesium, potassium and calcium gives me stomach trouble and other problems even though the package says it should be well tolerated. ;) My tummy feels really acid after I take it but it is ascorbic acid.

I hope the Esterified C works because I really need more C. My gums bleed for one thing and I have some hayfever. Also, I want to get my immune system up with the Candida.

Thanks,
pamela



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Re: Best source of Esterified C?

Posted by George on May 29, 1998 at 05:32:25:

In Reply to: Re: Best source of Esterified C? posted by Kyra on May 28, 1998 at 11:56:52:

Kyra,

WOW, You're getting the same results [elimination wise] with
just 8 grams? I have just worked up to 5 or 6 grams, with some improvment but still a ways to go.

Thanks

George





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Re: Best source of Esterified C?

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 29, 1998 at 10:55:39:

In Reply to: Re: Best source of Esterified C? posted by Peter Wray on May 28, 1998 at 06:38:22:

Dear Peter,

Is the Pro C Ascorbate ESTERIFIED Vitamin C?

Thanks, Walt




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zinc toxicity and side effects of oral zinc

Posted by Ben Briskey on May 07, 1998 at 13:22:05:

I am currently taking a new product nt yet available called Prosa Bond. It is a liquid form of zinc and I am I need to know the side effects of Zinc



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Re: zinc toxicity and side effects of oral zinc

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 09, 1998 at 11:12:49:

In Reply to: zinc toxicity and side effects of oral zinc posted by Ben Briskey on May 07, 1998 at 13:22:05:

Dear Ben,

There are no side-effects of zinc taken in doses of less than 50 millligrams of elemenrtal zinc per day. Over 100 milligrams of elemenrtal zinc can eventually cause symptoms of zinc toxicity.

Your best resource for this information would be the reference section of your local public library.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt




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Re: B12

Posted by BIBI on May 25, 1998 at 16:49:43:

Vitamin B12 - metals disturb transport!
The administration of relatively high doses of vitamin B12, in the form of methylcobalamin, in the treatment of fibromyalgia, diabetics, Multiple Sclerosis and amalgam-related disorders has been gradually increasing in Sweden since the end of the 80's. The results are remarkable...
Essential for blood formation and rapidly growing tissues, vitamin B12 is mainly present in animal food. A healthy person requires approximately 3-5 ug of vitamin B12 per day, the amount usually available in a normal diet. For strict vegetarians, however, blue-green algae and bean sprouts are suitable sources.
The human body normally contains approx. 5000-10000 ug of vitamin B12, equally distributed in the liver and the nervous system. Due to the presence of the cobalt atom (trace element), vitamin B12 is also called cobalamin.
Anaemia
Vitamin B12 deficiencies have been mainly related to blood deficiency diseases, such as macrocytos and pernicious aneamia. First described in 1855, the latter was usually lethal. The connection with cobalamin was not established until after vitamin B12 was first isolated in 1948. (As early
as 1926, however, it was found that raw liver, which later proved to be rich in vitamin B12, could effectively cure anaemia).
Causes and Symptoms
Deficiencies can be caused by low intestinal B12 uptake (intestinal disorders), low intrinsic factor (a substance essential for its transport to the blood) in the stomach, deficiency of hydrochloric acid in the gastric juices (increasing with old age), regular use of laxatives or medicines like Losec (for treatment of peptic ulcer), low uptake in the central nervous system (CNS) or excessive
B12 degradation. Lack of calcium in the food can also reduce the uptake and so can heavy metals.
Vitamin B12 deficiencies are followed by neurological and psychological disorders, such as disturbed sense of co-ordination, paraesthesiae, loss of memory, abnormal reflexes, weakness, loss of muscle strength, exhaustion, confusion, low self-confidence, spacticity, incontinence, impaired vision, abnormal gait, frequent need to pass water, psychological deviances.
Non-anaemic deficiencies
Lately it has been discovered that anaemia is not always present in neurogical and psychological disturbances associated with B12 deficiencies. In diseases such Alzheimer's and suspected amalgam-related disorders, hidden B12 deficiencies in the CNS (without low blood values) have been found. The transport of vitamin B12 to the brain can be disturbed or interrupted by heavy metals such as inorganic mercury, which affects the blood-brain barrier by causing leakage
and hampering the active transport of nutrients. Exposure to laughing gas (N2O), commonly given to women in labour, causes similar B12 deficiencies in the brain of the infant, are sometimes in mothers with low B12 levels (and the anaesthetist). When used as a sedative in connection with
an operation, the gas can cause irreparable damage in an individual with B12 deficiency.
Non-anaemic vitamin B12 deficiencies also play a role in diseases like Multiple Sclerosis, Fibromyalgia, Diabetes and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Schizophrenia, a psychotic condition, has been successfully treated with B12 injections in combination with other supplements. There also seems to be a connection between B12 deficiencies and cardiovascular diseases In the 1950's, it was common practice to treat a patient with the first signs of herpes zoster with a vitamin B12
injection which effectively reversed the symptoms. This knowledge has fallen into oblivion. Ongoing research will most probably further increase the area of use of vitamin B12.
Test methods
Rarely detectable through normal testing procedures, such as blood serum or methyl malonic acid, B12 deficiencies in the brain and CNS can be determined by checking "increased homocystein in LIQUOR", (liquor cerebrospinalis)*, the most appropriat



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Re: B12

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 27, 1998 at 08:34:25:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by BIBI on May 25, 1998 at 16:49:43:

Dear BIBI,

Another gem! Is it all right with you if we put these notes on our home page to like when people need this information?

Namaste` Walt




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Re: B12

Posted by BIBI on May 27, 1998 at 17:50:59:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by Walt Stoll on May 27, 1998 at 08:34:25:

The information which you are asking me is from the following site:

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FULLTART.html

I do not know if such requires special release.
I am sure that link to this site will be very welcomed.



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Re: B12

Posted by BIBI on May 27, 1998 at 18:14:45:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by BIBI on May 27, 1998 at 17:50:59:

For those who ever wonder I recomend also:

http://www.teleport.com/~ctseng/cfs_pages/index.html



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Re: B12

Posted by Phyllis on May 28, 1998 at 11:20:01:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by BIBI on May 27, 1998 at 17:50:59:

Thanks for the pointer to this site. It has a wealth of interesting information (been reading all morning). If we (Dr. Stoll's site) give a link pointing to that site, I recommend the Homepage at http://www.algonet.se/~leif/AmFAQigr.html. This way everyone will have more of the information at hand (symptoms, treatment, removal, etc.).



• Here's their Homepage:



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Re: B12

Posted by BIBI on May 28, 1998 at 14:41:20:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by Phyllis on May 28, 1998 at 11:20:01:

Dear Phyllis

I read it all for almost a week.
There is also side were the injured patients are posting their severe problems.
The best way to access many of those sites is by using Alta Vista, or Yahoo search engines. Just enter a "name of compound", you get it all.



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Re: B12

Posted by Phyllis on May 28, 1998 at 15:34:32:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by BIBI on May 28, 1998 at 14:41:20:

Thanks BIBI. The other link is also a great one for Bill to include under "other links." I'm very familiar with internet searching, just haven't expended any time yet for mercury poisoning. I've had concern in this area for some time, but just haven't dedicated any effort to it. After reading some of your links, I think I'll be moving it up on the list of Things To Do, due to the same symptoms, etc.. Thanks for the links.

Dr. Stoll: I've heard you mention a little about this before, but wondering what your take is on removing/replacing these fillings, etc. I'm in the search for "hiring" a new dentist in the Lexington area. I would honor any recommendation you may suggest.



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Re: B12

Posted by BIBI on May 28, 1998 at 19:14:25:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by Phyllis on May 28, 1998 at 15:34:32:



Phyllis,

Look for a Dentist who uses EP Empress (Switzerland) porcelain which is distributed in IRVINE Calif.
Make sure they use (if you need TITANIUM) posts.
The cost is in the labor not materials. Stay away from GOLD.

I am now mercury free, and I believe that Fibromyalgia for sure and , CFIDS, MCS may also be caused by mercury. I was not able to walk due to subaccute poisoning from amalgam!!! My legs were colapsing!
Until all 5 teeth having mercury cracked off and needed to be replaced.
Many Dentists do not want to agree with such position, that is why we must fight. Send your message to www.fda.gov

They must hear the power of the voice of the people who pay their sallaries!


• FDA



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Re: B12

Posted by BIBI on May 28, 1998 at 19:19:10:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by Phyllis on May 28, 1998 at 15:34:32:



One more on Mercury.


• Mercury



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Re: B12

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 30, 1998 at 09:18:41:

In Reply to: Re: B12 posted by Phyllis on May 28, 1998 at 15:34:32:

Dear Phyllis,

I have had MY amalgams all removed now for about 10 years.

I would recommend either Mike Lerner, DDS or Ballard Morgan, DMD, there in Lexington for amalgam evaluation &/or removal. Give either one of then you see a hug from me, will you?

Walt




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