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My doc (allopathic) advised me to use 10 minutes of ice, then 10 minutes of heat for my shoulder. He knows I won't take any anti-inflammatories, so he suggested that plus stretching. It doesn't hurt all the time, only when my beloved Buccaneers score a touchdown (rare! LOL) and I jump out of my seat raising my arms really fast over my head. It can be excruciating. In the heat of the moment, I forget that I have a problem, and boy do I pay.
It also hurts in certain positions, like stretching my arm shoulder level to the side and back.
Anyway, I understand the bracing part, but will the above recommendation help at all? Thanks.
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Joanie on December 07, 2002 at 07:33:52:
Hi Joanie,
There's lots of different things that can get inflamed in a shoulder - tendons, ligaments, bursae. The contrast therapy recommended by your doc sounds like it might help.
If you haven't already, you might try getting some deep tissue massage in the area and see if that soft tissue work helps or gives you further clues about what is going on.
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Joanie on December 07, 2002 at 07:33:52:
Don't waste time or money on getting a massage. You probably have impingement syndrome resulting in bursitis. The conservative way to get over this is getting some surgical tubing and doing external rotation exercises to strengthen the rotator cuff. The contrasts soak will help relieve the pain, but will cure nothing.
It may be a good idea to get an xray to see if you have arthritis of the acromioclavicular joint. Also, this is not from bracing, read enough posts on this site and you'll learn that EVERYTHING is from bracing. HOGWASH!
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by orthopaedics on December 07, 2002 at 18:26:09:
Hi Ortho,
It's okay with me when people disagree with me and suggest alternate therapies -- in fact I appreciate hearing other people's points of view.
I would like to know more about your background, training and experience.
Happygal
In Reply to: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Joanie on December 07, 2002 at 07:33:52:
I am a licensed board certified orthopaedic surgeon.
Is that qualified enough?
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by ORTHO on December 07, 2002 at 22:48:08:
Well theres that ARROGANT, know it all Doctor attitude we have come to dispise. Thanks but NO THANKS.
In Reply to: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Joanie on December 07, 2002 at 07:33:52:
Hi Joanie,
Have you seen a chiropractor for this problem? I had a problem last year where my whole right arm was aching, (THROBBING) all the way to my wrist. I had a pinched nerve in my neck, level with my shoulder. I had several adjustments and messages and it stopped the problem. I carry my stress in my shoulders......BRACING.....I would try what Happygal suggested. See how it helps.
In Reply to: to Ortho: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Barb on December 08, 2002 at 01:25:20:
How is stating my credentials arrogance? You seem to have issues with the arrogance of medical providers, but that really is irrelevant. The issue is illness. If you take care of your issues with the medical profession, then maybe you will see clearly.
In Reply to: Re: to Ortho: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by ORTHO on December 08, 2002 at 01:54:16:
"Is that qualified enough" Maybie its the way you put it?
In Reply to: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Joanie on December 07, 2002 at 07:33:52:
Hi, Joanie.
Sounds like subdeltoid bursitis or supraspinatus tendonitis. What happens when you try to scratch your back with that arm as far up your back as you can reach?
Forced ROM(range of motion)exercises are the best treatment for that.
Let us know which it is.
Walt
In Reply to: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Barb on December 08, 2002 at 01:31:23:
Joanie
I am almost 40 and it took me 5 years to get a diagnosis on my periodic shoulder pain. I was told all kinds of things, from motrin to carry your bag on the other shoulder(Both shoulders had the periodic sharp, knife like pain). Finally, I begged my GP to refer me to a well respected Orthopedist (sports medicine guy) who, without xrays knew exactly what I was talking about. I had been xrayed by the GP and they saw nothing unusual. He explained that I had spurs in my rotator cuff causing this pain and that arthroscopic surgery would make the pain stop, and also was important not to wait because the muscle in there, though was bruised, would eventually start to tear (and that kind of surgery was a very big deal with no guarantee that full range of motion would ever come back). He took a series of 6 xrays, and pointed to the spur that was obvious. I had both shoulders done (one at a time) and have had no pain since then (After a reasonable period of healing of course). I can now be in the passangers side of a car and reach into the back seat for say a banana without screaming in pain, or carry the reins in my left had when I am riding a horse without feeling like my arm will fall off from the weight(of the reins!).
Since I had this surgery, my boyfriend, my mother, my sister and my neighbor have all had this diagnosed after being told it was nothing but an "itis". My pain was real, horrible and debilitating, and the worst part was that no one could help! Stick with it, Physical therapy can't help until the spur is removed if in fact this is the problem.
Let us know!
God bless this website and all contributors. It is changing my life.
Carole
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Walt Stoll on December 08, 2002 at 08:14:18:
Walt,
Forced ROM? Subacromial bursitis(no such diagnosis as sub deltoid) is caused by impingement of the bursa at the ac joint. Forced rom would only worsen the problem. You should probably leave the ortho stuff to the ortho pro's.
In Reply to: Re: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Carole on December 08, 2002 at 10:53:39:
Thanks, Carole.
This is the end result of YEARS of causes and by then surgery IS the right choice.
It is the responsibility of the physician to make the diagnosis BEFORE things get this far but if they cannot at least to know when they are stumped and get you to the specialist like what finally happened to you.
This 'site concentrates upon the causes, that take years to get this far, and how to reverse the causes before structural damage is present.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Walt Stoll on December 08, 2002 at 08:14:18:
Hi Walt,
When I try to scratch my back, I have limited range and can only go up to the middle of my back, and even that is painful. I can do it much better with my left arm. My chiro gave me stretches to do, and when I remember to do them, it does feel better.
Will ice/heat help also?
Thanks.
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder (Archive in Bracing.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 07:37:57:
Walt,
Could I really have structural damage, or spurs as ortho suggests? Does the spur form in the same manner as say a heel spur? (Defensive mechanism?)
My step daughter had a spur on the ball of her hip joint, had it scoped in September, and is still in occasional pain. She's only 29.
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Ortho on December 08, 2002 at 13:29:28:
Ortho.
Did you even GO to medical school???
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 08:39:51:
Walt,
Yes, I did go to the university of washington. If you want to challenge my medical knowledge, DO IT. But expect to answer some questions in return. I know you won't accept my challenge,its much too dangerous for you. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Talk to you soon one eye.
In Reply to: Re: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder (Archive in Bracing.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 09, 2002 at 07:37:57:
Walt,
you say from years of causes. Now tell me in medical terminology, and explain the physiology, don't give me the archive bull you give to the uninformed, let's hear it in detail. how did this happen? let's hear you make your statement, then I'll make mine. Step up to the plate big boy, take your cut, let's go..............
In Reply to: Re: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my ( a challenge for walt) posted by Ortho on December 09, 2002 at 23:26:40:
How old are you?
In Reply to: to Ortho: Some kind of "ITIS" in my ( a challenge for walt) posted by Barb on December 09, 2002 at 23:49:33:
39. how about you?
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder posted by Joanie on December 09, 2002 at 08:12:22:
Thanks, Joanie.
Your personal experience is giving the lie to "ortho's" inane pratteling. I have had this myself and have cured it by "forced ROM exercises". You can extend your benefits by taking hold of a doorknob, with that hand, and turning your back to it while gradually lowering your body to force the joint to go beyond what you can do voluntarily. DO NOT try to do this all at once but gradually extend your ROM daily for weeks.
In the future do not limit your movements to what does not hurt. At the slightest twinge force youself to move the same amount as your other side even though it hurts. This is much better prevented than treated.
Hope this helps.
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder (Archive in Bracing.) posted by Joanie on December 09, 2002 at 08:29:10:
Thanks, Joanie.
It is pretty hard to miss "spurs" when they are there. However, it is not the spurs that cause the symptoms. You need to underestand what causes spurs like this (Something "ortho" is not the least bit interested in.) They are caused by years of chronic inflammation from the bracing is that area. It is the bracing that is causing your symptoms and so the symptoms are reversable by elinminating the bracing.
HOWEVER, now that spurs are present they MAY aggravate the area even though you get rid of the bracing and return your symptoms years later. THEN, if you have kept your bracing away it will be necessary to remove the spurs to get rid of the symptoms. If you have not kept your bracing away, you know what to do!
Hopefully the technology (already present but not yet accepted by dinosaurs like "ortho")[see the calcium archives about the ultrasonic machine for breaking up calcium deposits] and the microcurrent info {Use the search engine.} will , by then (if necessary) be in general use.
Please forgive the long and complex sentence above.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder (Archive in bursitis.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 10, 2002 at 07:48:54:
Thanks Walt.
I will let you know.
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Stoll asks did I go to medical school? posted by ORTHO on December 09, 2002 at 11:17:43:
Not a very good recommendation for the University of Washington.
In Reply to: Re: to Joanie, Some kind of "ITIS" in my Shoulder (Archive in Bracing.) posted by Walt Stoll on December 10, 2002 at 08:04:01:
OK, you're forgiven :o) However, I understand completely. I will do my homework, and let you know. Thanks again. You're the best!
Namaste`
Joanie
In Reply to: Re: to Ortho: Some kind of "ITIS" in my ( a challenge for walt) posted by ortho on December 10, 2002 at 00:37:12:
Old enough to have learned humility in my life.
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