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I was wondering how i can get rid of the bag's under my eyes. I get about 7 hours of sleep each night.
In Reply to: Bag's under eyes posted by Paul on October 16, 2000 at 02:39:40:
Paul, I can tell you that it's basically an inherited condition. My whole family has it. I've had "baggy" eyes practically all my life, even as a young child. While you're still young you can minimize it with sleep and maybe some applications of wet tea bags or sliced cucumbers, etc. but this is just a temporary fix and will get worse as you get older. It is actually due to fatty tissue accumulation under the eyes and personally I think this has a lot to do with the positioning of the eyes in the eye socket.
To understand this, I suggest you observe people's facial structure as you watch TV or meet people in person - pay particular attention to old people. Many do NOT have bags under their eyes and some do. The people without the bags have a tighter area under the eyes. Certainly the elasticiy of your skin will enter into this as well. My 60 year old husband has no bags under his eyes even though he is a couple of years older than I - but he has a drooping neck which I don't. None of his siblings have "baggy" eyes.
It may just be that eventually a surgical eyelift is the only remedy - if it bothers you - but NOT if you're still young. I think I'm just going to accept it. I appreciate my good health and don't want to jeopardize it.
Hope this helps. Sorry I coudn't be more positive. There are some things we can't control and just have to learn to accept. Those people that look very young in their older years most likely have inherited some "good" genes. However, the cosmetic industry will have you believe it's all fixable like magic with a cream.
Good luck!
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: Bag's under eyes posted by Rosemarie on October 16, 2000 at 11:45:16:
thank you.
In Reply to: Bag's under eyes posted by Paul on October 16, 2000 at 02:39:40:
Hi, Paul.
This has been discussed many times and is archived under eyes.
ALLERGY (due to LGS), genetic susceptibility and TMJ are the causes.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Bag's under eyes posted by Walt Stoll on October 17, 2000 at 07:53:32:
hi paul
hello rosemarie
hello dr stoll
Rosemarie, i am afraid the time has cropped up on us: i am forced to disagree with something you have said! i am sorry...most respectfully, i say this...
paul i have also been forced to make something of a concentrated study on the matter of dark circles under the eyes. i hope later i will have time to go into this in more detail, because i have learned LOTS of details on the matter, but through Dr Stoll, through this glossary, through many books on allergies, chemical sensitivity, through some anatomy of the head, through info from my chiropractor, and more, I have found several basic variables in the matter, as Dr Stoll indicated.
i have also found it difficult, but by aproaching each one of these aspects in a highly determined and conscientious matter, i have been able to reduce the appearance of the circles...and i CONTINUE TO !
rosemarie, i always think that there are other factorsbehind what can be classified as "genetics" or "heredity," such as inherited energy patterns or blockages in the body, or similar energy patterns or blockages due to shared external circumstances, perhaps inherited physiological problems (like missing a certain enzyme, etc.), and more. i hate to think that the darck circles themselves are inherited, but maybe there is an underlying factor that family memebers may share. however, even if that is the case, i have been able to reverse this problem slowly, despite its appearance in other members of my family.
i should have more time tomorrow to write again.
kind and respectful regards !
In Reply to: Re: Bag's under eyes posted by leon cavallo on October 17, 2000 at 14:43:52:
I agree with you on the dark circles. However I stand by my observation that BAGS under the eyes are more a thing to run in families and is genetic.
As I said, my whole family has it and we all have been living in different parts of the world (Germany, Switzerland, USA) and eat different kinds of food since we were young adults.
But please tell us more on how you diminished your dark circles which is another common problem for many.
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: Bag's under eyes - I agree, Leon, BUT we are talking about bags not dark circles posted by Rosemarie on October 17, 2000 at 16:07:00:
hi again
yes, Rosemarie, good point.
I refer to the two interchangeably, because both are my problem....so when i work on the darkness, i am trying to work on that saggy/life-less appearance as well.
for a few years, these two things got worse and worse for me.
one thing that i have just started to do , which i think you do too-- dont u rosemarie?-- is jumping on the little trampoline. the rebounder. what convinced me to start finally was the discussion of the benefits of bouncing repeatedly to bring energy to the cause of freeing up "deposits" in various parts of the body. by the second day, i could see and feel areas that had reduced build up (of stagnant , dark blood & "chi," which i had been "cupping out" through the skin). i hope that this reduction in stagnant build up will also occur in other areas...
perhaps like under the eyes...
which i now realize has a lot to do in my case with chronic bracing of the head /neck. Dr Stoll suggessted this to me, so i loooked into it and now know it to be the case. (Thank you so much again Dr Stoll for the terribly helpful insight!) it seems that from my severe car accident (mostly), i do not relax my shoulders/neck/head/even face muscles (some of them). blood flow is restricted. certainly "deposits" could build up.
as well, the cerebro-spinal fluid can not do its important job of properly ensuring the constant movements of the cranial bones (that the founder of osteopathy first recognized...cant remember his name now).
now we move into the realm of the genetic aspect that is accepted to be a causiative factor for bags under the eyes...plagiocephaly (and to which dr stoll referred and about which our glossary gives great info). the condition is said to be a simple factor that simply exists in some people from birth.
i think perhaps in my case, the restriction of blood flow to the head/face that dr stoll alerted me to, is contributing to a sort of "acquired-plagiocephaly," if you will. my chiropractor confirms that i have consistent trouble in the alignment of my skull pieces.
now, as for what i do *KNOW* to have improved the appearance under my eyes...
the complete macro-biotic appraoch initially yielded a definite improvement.
no chemicals in foods.
as little ambient chemical exposure as possible.
sleeping in an environment as chemical free as possible makes a big differnece day to day.
laying down in certain positions over a few hours also yields imporvement for me.
im rambling again but, in all i have learned, i haev come across a few aspects that are pointed out again and again by different sources as contributing or causative factors:
* plagiocephaly
* bad , bad allergies untreated over time
* chemical sensitivity
* nasty candida infection over time (akin to the two above)
* kidney energy deficiency (from poing of view of chinese medicine...kidney energy defic. results in loose terms from inability to handle chemicals/MCSS/extreme over indulgence in sexual practice, extreme unchecked feelings of insecurity, and result of many more complicated factors)
* leaky gut
* "failure or the ilio-cecal valve" (between the intestines, releasing toxic matter into the blood stream...much like the leaky gut)
ofcourse most of these factors are directly related to each other (most people , for example, would develop kidney deficeincy if they have a leaky gut)...
what makes it loook much worse for me:
* flying on an airplane. no secrets here
* eating food with food additives
*SLEEPING IN a non-relaxed state (as a do when SR is ineffective)
i am out of time now. i will contribute more later
In Reply to: Re: Bag's under eyes -: a sloopy essay on leon's learnings on the subject... I agree, Leon, BUT we are talking about bags not dark circles posted by leon cavallo on October 17, 2000 at 17:28:23:
Leon, thanks for rambling :-)
You brought up many good points and found many possible reasons for why you have dark circles and/or baggy eyes. It will take much determination to find YOUR cause and cure for the dark circles. I hope you're successful and keep us up to date on your progress.
No, I don't do the little trampoline (rebounder). Had one about 15 years ago and found it too boring. These days I go roller blading which is a lot more fun! Besides that I do a series of exercises each day which I designed myself many years ago, which includes repeated stretching and then bending my back forward and back, up and down, in one fluid motion, also rolling my head completely around, first to one side then the other, etc. I also use the slant board and do a headstand several times a week. I sit on the floor as often as possible while I read or watch TV and do stretches and situps. (I like to incorporate my exercises into my lifestyle.) And I do SR twice a day.
It would seem that all of this along with my healthy food intake would be enough to get my juices going and carry away those 'bad' deposits. Oh yeah, for some time I did gentle massaging around the eyes and eye exercises. I've tried it all, but, well, those bags are still here :-(
My sister finally had an eyelift done last year and commented on how much fatty tissue (according to the surgeon) was present. Well there you have it. That's what seems to happen with baggy eyes - it becomes a repository for fat - in some people.... because the way the eyes are located in their sockets - strictly MY unscientific opinion - based on observation!
I sure hope you're more successful than I have been.
I'll be gone for a week, so I may not see your answer till I'm back.
Rosemarie
In Reply to: Re: Bag's under eyes posted by Rosemarie on October 18, 2000 at 00:34:11:
Hi, Everyone.
Over the years, the congestion caused by the TMJ and allergy stretch the skin in the area until NOW the person has "bags". Just like skin that is stretched often, when people lose and gain weight many times, eventually the skin stays "baggy" and plastic surgery is the only way to deal with the problem.
However, so long as the basic causitive mechanisms continue, even plastic surgery will not be a permanent solution.
Walt
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