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Hi Walt,
I have been using the vinegar treatment for my two big toes. One seems to be properly healing, albeit very slowly. The other is not showing the same progress. I believe this is because the nail on this toe never fell off, as the other did. I believe that two nails are growing, one under the other, on this toe. Does this make sense, and what suggestions would you have to resolve this situation? Perhaps a physician should remove these toenails so that a new, single, nail can grow?
Thank you,
Jeffrey
In Reply to: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Jeffrey on October 04, 2002 at 13:32:03:
Hi, Jeffrey.
Just like baby teeth are pushed out by the secondary teeth, so will the new nail push off the old.
Let us know how long this takes. Then you will know how fast your great toenails grow.
I just lost one of mine to trauma and is has taken a year to grow back out.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Walt Stoll on October 05, 2002 at 08:46:23:
Hi Walt,
Thank you for your quick response. FYI: I have been treating both nails for 2 years (I haven't missed a treatment yet). One, as I mentioned, is making visible progress. The other seems to be making no progress at all. Perhaps the problem is not two nails growing but one that never fell off--it is loose--I can move it with my fingers.
I wrote because, after reading a number of posts on your site, this problem seemed to always resolve within 12 to 18 months. Since I am pushing 2 years I thought that something might be amiss.
Thanks again.
Jeffrey
In Reply to: Re: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Jeffrey on October 07, 2002 at 09:56:58:
Thanks, Jeffrey.
I agree that something is amiss. First of all, if this were me, I would pull off the wiggley nail and take a good look at what is under there.
How old are you and are you diabetic?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Walt Stoll on October 08, 2002 at 07:28:45:
Hi Walt,
I am 45 years old and I am not diabetic.
I thought about pulling the nail off but it is not that loose, i.e., I believe it would be an extremely painful prospect. (That's why I asked about a doc doing this in my first post).
A brief history may help because it is probably unusual.
1. Initial trauma caused by playing basketball in too-small sneakers (sneakers I had worn for 2 years prior to playing--I just hadn't played any sports in them before). The large toe on both feet were affected.
2. Both nails fell off in about 2 months (if memory serves)
3. More trauma caused by Mountain biking (before they fully grew back)
4. One of the nails (left) fell off a second time (the one that seems to be doing ok now)
5. In addition to the right toenail not falling off the second time, my cousin stepped on it (horsing around in the lake). This incident caused some pain and bleeding but still did not cause the nail to fall off.
6. At first the right toenail seemed to respond to treatment (vineger) but it was soon apparent that after the nail grew out about 1/16" to 1/8" it became unhealthy again.
7. I have been treating both nails for about 2 years. The first incident of trauma occured 4-5 years ago (if memory serves). A few years transpired before I started treatment (when I stumbled across your web site).
I hope this helps paint a clearer picture.
Thanks again for your time in this, Walt.
Regards,
Jeffrey
In Reply to: Re: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Jeffrey on October 09, 2002 at 13:38:06:
Thanks, Jeffrey.
You need to get better fitting shoes to help keep this from happening.
Pulling off the toenail has to be a personal choice. When it is more bother than the pulling off would cause pain, you will get around to doing it. The only reason for doing it now would be to be able to see the health of what is growing under there.
So long as you keep injuring those nails nothing will make you grow out healthy ones. AND too much (or recurrent)injury will eventually damage the growth center and then you are stuck. It might even be worth your finding a roomy steel toed shoe to absolutely protect your toes for a couple of years.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Jeffrey on October 04, 2002 at 13:32:03:
I just started using the vinegar treatment I first read about on this site. Just a few questions that I was unable to answer by reading what others have written. First, the doctor recommends twice daily treatment - once in the morning and again in the evening. Does it make a difference in timing? It appeared that others suggested that applications be made every 14 hours. Since I jsut started, I want to get this down right from the beginning. Second, does it make any difference if I apply vinegar more than twice a day? Will this cause additional, unforseen consequences? I raise this question in relation to the first question because I want to make sure that I don't miss applying the vinegar when it is most helpful. I have a couple of questions regarding shoes and socks. I recently spent $200 on a pair of work boots. I don't want to just throw them out. Is there anything I can do to treat the inside of the boots to keep the fungi from growing or spreading? Socks are fairly cheep, but I ask the same question regarding treating boots to treating socks, is it possible and would you use the same treatment on socks as on boots. Obviously, if there is nothing I can do to stop the spread of fungi in boots, I would imagine nothing could be done for socks. Finally, I wanted to know if putting a couple of drops of vinegar on the toes of my socks before I put on my shes will do any good, or will the moisture excerbate the problem in side my shoes? Thank you for any information you may have in answer to my questions.
In Reply to: Re: Vineger Toenail Treatment posted by Trooper on October 11, 2002 at 16:19:43:
Hi, Trooper.
Just changing your sox daily should be enough to protect your new boots.
Do NOT put vinegar on your sox! The extra moisture is not worth the benefit (if any). No one knows, perfectly yet, why the vinegar works when applied to the growing part of the nail.
More than once a day appication costs you more in moisture than the vinegar would help.
Hope this helps.
Walt
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