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I have had it for over 30 yrs. I have done the vinegar for over 6 months. I have also been doing the ozonated olive oil for 6 months as well. (Applying it every 12 hours and covering with a bandaid.) I did not do the ozonated olive oil for about 2 days when I was out of bandaids--that was about 6 weeks ago. I did lose ground with the fungus when I didn't use the o.o.o. for those two days.
The end of my toenail (at the tip) was brownish. Then just yesterday, I noticed a small area turned black. And last night when I went to do my o.o.o. regimen, there was a notch of my toenail that came off. The blackened area of the toenail as well as the toenail itself is gone. Now I have to trim my toenail so the notch is less visible. Any ideas or theories on what has happened?
In Reply to: Toenail Fungus posted by Ellen [3371.1351] on February 03, 2007 at 12:13:48:
Hi Ellen,
If you had used Clorox the toenails would be well.
Clean all the gunk from under the toenail first. Then put Clorox in a squeeze bottle or use an eye dropper
and try to get it under your nail as much as you can. Also put it around the whole nail and cuticle,everyday. Try to wear clean white sox's everytime you wear shoes. Hose is bad because the persperation is not absorbed.If you have to wear hose,get them off as soon as possible and use the Clorox before you put them on.Try to wear a open toe shoes or bedroom slippers around the house.Do NOT use bandaids on your toes! It is important to get air to your toes.Wash socks with bleach or dry bleach,to kill the fungus.I cured mine in about 6 weeks.
This is the only thing that I used that helped me. It works!!
Hugs Shirley
PS e-mail me if you have questions about the Clorox!
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by Shirley [7880.2873] on February 03, 2007 at 13:17:42:
Shirley, Do you dilute the clorox with water or use it full strength? My toenails need help too. Had it for 10 years and nothing has helped, including the vinegar.
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by Shirley [7880.2873] on February 03, 2007 at 13:17:42:
Hi Shirley, I will implement your Clorox protocol. I don't have any gunk under my toenails, at least nothing is visible. I know what you mean, though. I have had it in the past. I do change socks daily. I seldom wear hose, on purpose, due to this condition. I wash my white socks with Clorox. And I wash my colored socks with non-chlorine bleach. I was making serious strides with the olive oil. I am plenty mad at myself for missing two days. It put me back 2-3 months. I can't wait for summer when I can wear sandals everyday, which I know does help. Thanks for your input about the Clorox. I have done the 60 seconds slightly diluted prior to bathing. I am not certain that it did anything. I'll await your response regarding Georgia's question with respect to straight or diluted bleach. Thanks! Ellen
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by Ellen [3371.1351] on February 03, 2007 at 14:57:52:
You need to use it full strength or it won't do any good. Also soaking your feet in water with Clorox is not good b/c the feet absorb the Clorox. Just put it full strength on and around your toenail and it will be gone in 6 weeks.
Hugs Shirley
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by Ellen [3371.1351] on February 03, 2007 at 14:57:52:
You need to use it full strength or it won't do any good. Also soaking your feet in water with Clorox is not good b/c the feet absorb the Clorox. Just put it full strength on and around your toenail and it will be gone in 6 weeks.
Hugs Shirley
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by georgia [20.2843] on February 03, 2007 at 14:34:20:
Shirley, I will try the straight clorox, under the nail, around the nail. If it works,thanks sooooooo much. and if it doesn't work, thanks for trying to help. Bless you.
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by georgia [20.2843] on February 03, 2007 at 22:11:42:
Shirley, I forgot to ask you how many times a day should I do this. Would 2x be enuf. Morning and evening? Thanks again.
In Reply to: Toenail Fungus posted by Ellen [3371.1351] on February 03, 2007 at 12:13:48:
Thanks, Ellen.
I am concerned that covering the nail with a bandaid will inhibit the benefits of the vinegar. It greatly increases the moisture in the nail which is the friend of the fungus.
Walt
In Reply to: Toenail Fungus posted by Ellen [3371.1351] on February 03, 2007 at 12:13:48:
Dr Stoll has posted his recommended treatment for toenail fungus many times. Who's treatment plan are you using? If yopu are using a different plan, why don't you ask the person who gave that too you originally.
It is important to note the discoloration of your nail is not the fungus itself, but rather what reaction the fugus has had on your nail. So if magically you had no fungus, this very second, your nails would not change color until they grew out completely.
The goal of course is to kill the fungus. Per Dr Stoll, his recommendation is to use white distilled vinegar with the PH he listed-2 drops at the base of the nail. He recommends doing it twice a day-12 hours apart. If you take showers, take it after that.
The drops will penetrate your nail and attack the fungus. Generally you will notice the first results in about three months...So you must be patient and deligent and cannot miss a day. If you miss a single treatment, you run the risk of having to start all over and letting fungus re-infect the portion of the nail that grew that missed the treatment-that could be enough to reinfect the entire nail eventually. Do not apply more than twice a day.
Understand, even if you achieve initial success, some people suffer set backs-particularly if their nails are black. Do not be dishearted, through continued treatment, you should overcome.
One of the initial signs you may see is the nail appearing to actually lift from the nail bed. There will be a lot of distance between the skin and the nail. This is normal for most. This is a sign the fungus is dying and the skin in the nail bed is drying up and flaking off.
This is the method the doctor recommends.
Outside this method, others have tried a variety of other things in addition to Dr. Stolls methods. One is in the first month to apply Clorox. Again this is NOT recommended by Dr Stoll: Some have discovered that this helped to clean the nail beds almost immediately and also tends to bleach the discoloration on the nail to a white appearance. Using this method, you may more thoroughly clean the skin from fungus to begin the nail growing clean nails. On the other hand you also run the risk of too much moisture getting in the nail and defeating the process.
As the nail grows out some people have problems with dead skin collecting under the nails and preventing the nails from completely clearing. Some have found ways to overcome this, but I don't have that knowledge how. If you do try to remove it, understand if you puncture the skin in anyway, you will have to start over and wait until the skin heals. You also don't want to pack the dead skin further down the nail and compound the problem.
I wish you luck and hope this helps you understand. I'm sure you will be happy with the results. Please let us know how you progress. Perhaps Dr Stoll will comment further.
In Reply to: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. posted by Raman [2016.2863] on February 04, 2007 at 22:49:30:
Thanks, Raman.
Good summary.
Walt
In Reply to: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. posted by Raman [2016.2863] on February 04, 2007 at 22:49:30:
Hi Raman, Yes, I am following Dr. Stoll's advice. I am doing his protocol. Additionally, I am doing another regimen. Please note--I have a 30+ year fungal toenail that is very tenacious. Even with multiple remedies, I have not gotten rid of it. I will try the Clorox. I have tried the Clorox, slightly diluted prior to bathing--for about a minute.
In Reply to: Re: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. Archive. posted by Waot Stoll [93.1889] on February 05, 2007 at 07:53:42:
Ellen, using both the vinegar and with it olive oil is in my view completely off the wall and an abortion of what has been recommended. My guess is you have received no results at all. Am I correct?
Because you cut back you nail, you now can use a few things to your advantage:
1)By applying Clorox directly to the nail bed, you can do so and clean the nail bed quicker. Because the nail is now open, that moisture can more easily evaporate. If there was fungus where the nail was, the clorox could get it and begin working the skin ahead of the time when the nail grows over it. Those are the possible benefits.
2) The thing you must look for is keeping your toes dry.
One thing is for sure. The absolute fastest your nails can clear if your nails are black is the length of time it takes your nails to grow out. For a 20 year-old like you, that's probably 4-6 months. That's under ideal conditions. Many women try painting their toenails to coved it up...That will make matters worse.
The solution Dr. Stoll has offered is good for a few reasons. 1) It's simple to remember and if you are patient, it will work if you keep at it. Are there more effective ways to resolve black toenails? Yes, but if you do not follow those more complicated methods. precisely, they will not work. Hence the sure fire way
In Reply to: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. posted by Raman [2016.2863] on February 04, 2007 at 22:49:30:
Hi Raman, I don't see why you think it is a mistake for me to do multiple remedies...? I am not 20 years old, I am 59 years old. My toenails are not black. I wrote about a part of the toenail being black and that part of the toenail came off, creating a notch at the end of my toenail. Half of the end of that toenail is amber in color. Today,I did just do the Clorox prior to my bathing, as Shirley suggested. Straight bleach from a squeeze bottle. I do not use nail polish. I do keep my nails dry. I did write of my success. I had even photographed my toenails on a monthly basis, so I had an accurate portrayal of the success. So I know I had excellent success with the two remedies. Then I ran out of bandaids and didn't do the o.o.o. for those two days--THAT IS WHEN I LOST GROUND. I think I may have grown out one toenail by now if I hadn't missed those two days. I have been very religiously in trying many things for my toenails in the course of 14 months, prior to finding this website. The vinegar and o.o.o. has brought me the best results. I appreciate your comments.
In Reply to: Re: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. posted by Ellen [3088.1351] on February 10, 2007 at 16:25:10:
My mistake in not knowing your age. I have tried multiple remedies myself and achieved success with most. To directly answer your question, Dr Stoll only addresses one remedy. For his sake, that is the only remedy he can answer and because it's successful in almost all cases, it's the one I help educate others on. If you feel confident your remedy is working, than by all means go ahead and let us know your results. I guess my question to your would be while your band aids were done during those 2 days, were you still applying the vinegar? I guess the next question is, do you believe your treatment would be any more effective than Dr Stoll's method that appears much simplier.
Based on the treatment Regime Dr Stoll recommends, that should be all you need and your nails and in theory over those 2 days that should have been all you needed for your nails to continue to improve. If did try that and you nails reverted back, I can see your point.
After the first month, if you are already using the vinegar treatment, what is your reasoning for continuing the clorox? Not attacking you, just trying to understand.
Clearly if you have achieved success and have confidence, go ahead and continue. Let us know your success.
In Reply to: Re: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. posted by Ellen [3088.1351] on February 10, 2007 at 16:25:10:
http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/fungus.html
Ellen, I have linked a website I recommended for those whose tried Dr. Stoll's method without success. This is a good website. Some treatments are similar to what is recommended on this website. One of the solutions that has great success is the one you mention. It appears you have tried and are very satisfied with that method.
For those that do not clear, like Georgia, and have had the condition for a few decades at least, Ted appears to have a solution to take internally a long with external treatment. I'm not sure of his reasoning, but here it is: To prevent this, take 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda + 1/4 teaspoon of citric acid plus 1/2 glass of water twice a day on an empty stomach to alkalize your blood. Take it about 4 days of it and off for about 3 days.
There are some who also seem to think drinking a solution of ACV with either apple juice or a glass of water helps.
In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by georgia [20.2843] on February 03, 2007 at 22:13:36:
Georgia,
If your treatment with White Vinegar isn't working you may do good in also introducing internal treatment. I have linked a website that I recommend for those who were unsuccessful using Dr. Stoll's treatment.http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/fungus.html
Once of the things the once recommends is: To prevent this, take 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda + 1/4 teaspoon of citric acid plus 1/2 glass of water twice a day on an empty stomach to alkalize your blood. Take it about 4 days of it and off for about 3 days. If you do this no new fungus should form from now on.
I personally have heard taking some Apple Cider Vinegar with either apple juice or water twice a day also has a similar affect.
In addition to the new method you appear you are about to try, perhaps also using the internal method may also help.
In Reply to: Re: You don't seem to be following Dr. Stoll's advise. posted by Raman [2016.3261] on February 12, 2007 at 10:11:06:
I am familiar with the website you mentioned. I go there several times a week. And the success with the o.o.o. that you mentioned was my post. Those 2 days that I didn't do the o.o.o. (because I was out of the bandaids), I did do the vinegar. I have done the vinegar religiously since July 1st. I have had this fungal infection for about 35 years, so I am sure that it is deeply entrenched and is a more stubborn case, as a result. And the Clorox I am trying (again) is because Shirley suggested that I try it, and you did, too.
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