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Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by DS [1705.3596] on May 26, 2007 at 07:22:46:

Ellen posted that she is using a clorox bleach pen to treat her nail fungus.

Is clorox as effective, more or less effective than vinegar?

Thanks, DS



Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by Sapphire [735.3277] on May 26, 2007 at 11:45:21:

In Reply to: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by DS [1705.3596] on May 26, 2007 at 07:22:46:

I'd imagine chlorox is effective, but it's very toxic... residual dioxin is chemical by-product of chlorine bleach.... dioxin is considered the most potent carcinogen out there...

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Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 26, 2007 at 18:16:23:

In Reply to: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by DS [1705.3596] on May 26, 2007 at 07:22:46:

The only treatment recommended by the doctor on this website is White Distilled Vinegar. Other treatments are recommended if Distilled White Vinegar doesn't work.

In nearly all cases Distilled White Vinegar works. It is also a treatment that poses no risk applying it.

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Walt's opinion, please?

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 27, 2007 at 10:12:50:

In Reply to: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by DS [1705.3596] on May 26, 2007 at 07:22:46:

What do you think Walt of that?



One More Time

Posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 27, 2007 at 13:25:41:

In Reply to: Walt's opinion, please? posted by Ellen [6466.1351] on May 27, 2007 at 10:12:50:

Ellen, I'm not sure what more Walt needs to do to convince you what he recommends. Perhaps you may ask yourself is why do you continue to believe Clorox was ever a primary treatment Dr Stoll ever recommended.

References Dr. Stoll has regarding Toenail Fungus is all over this website:

http://askwaltstollmd.com/fungus.html

http://askwaltstollmd.com/glossary/t.html#ToenailFungus

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/toe.html

http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/toe.html

It is also one of the most frequently asked questions on his website. I would highly recommend you breaking down and purchasing his book so you can have the information easily avaialble. The cost is minimal.

Sorry if this sounds strong, but it don't seem you want to listen to a lot of the questions you ask and are being replied to.



Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by Shirley [7880.2873] on May 27, 2007 at 16:33:44:

In Reply to: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by DS [1705.3596] on May 26, 2007 at 07:22:46:

I know the Clorox works to kill nail fungus. I have cured my own. I don't use much Clorox but I use a squeeze bottle or Q-tip, and put it full strength on and around the nail bed. Also clean under your nail and let the Clorox soak underneath the nail.
Clorox is healing and it's used in public swimmimg pools all the time. That means when you open your eyes while swimming that it gets into the eye.
The fungus will be gone in half the time that it takes,using other things.
Hugs Shirley



TO RAMAN!

Posted by
Ellen [6466.3024] on May 27, 2007 at 17:27:05:

In Reply to: One More Time posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 27, 2007 at 13:25:41:

RAMAN! We sure don't communicate, do we? You wrote, "I'm not sure what more Walt needs to do to convince you what he recommends." I AM CONVINCED. I've been using it twice a day for exactly 11 months. If I weren't convinced, I wouldn't have done it for 11 months. However, it hasn't cured my toenail fungus. Has it cured yours? You wrote, "you may ask yourself is why do you continue to believe Clorox was ever a primary treatment Dr. Stoll ever recommended." I have never maintained that Dr. Stoll ever recommended it as a treatment for toenail fungus, primary or otherwise. And as far as the archives on toenail fungus--I have read every single one of the entries. Ever single one. You wrote, "I would recommend you breaking down and purchasing his book so that you can have the information easily available." For your information, I own both of Walt's books.

I chose to share this information with other board watchers in hope that it would be beneficial to others. Even to you, Raman. And now you choose to attack me.

That's really unfortunate. And most unfair.



P.S.

Posted by
Ellen [6466.3024] on May 27, 2007 at 17:30:54:

In Reply to: One More Time posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 27, 2007 at 13:25:41:

Walt wrote to me on another toenail fungus issue (today 5.27.07) that he wanted me to keep him posted regarding the Clorox bleach pen. He did not caution me as to its use, with respect to toxicity or carcinogens. That was what I was asking his opinion on.

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Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by Penny [1429.2450] on May 27, 2007 at 18:25:46:

In Reply to: Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by Shirley [7880.2873] on May 27, 2007 at 16:33:44:

I cannot handle the additional chlorine in my system such as is absorbed thru the skin or even inhaled from the air...The exposure sets off a lot of unpleasant symptoms all the way to kidney pain, bleeding nose etc....

Cannot even use it in laundry anymore and have to avoid a lot of meat and chicken products from the store that may have been rinsed with it.

Vinagar is my friend LOL

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Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 27, 2007 at 19:47:51:

In Reply to: Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by Shirley [7880.2873] on May 27, 2007 at 16:33:44:

Hi Shirley, I added the bleach to my toenail fungus routine several months ago, from your recommendations. It's helping. It is very interesting to watch the blue Clorox gel from the bleach pen turn black. I switched to the gel when I was on vacation, fearful of the squirt bottle inadvertantly opening. I did read someone else on another website using the Clorox bleach pen and in two months she cured her toenail fungus. One of my toes is pretty stubborn, due to the fact that I've had it for 35 years.
Thanks again, Shirley!

Kind regards,

Ellen

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Re: TO RAMAN!

Posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 28, 2007 at 00:27:55:

In Reply to: TO RAMAN! posted by Ellen [6466.3024] on May 27, 2007 at 17:27:05:

Sorry Ellen, again, never meant to attack you. I did know you had tried for 11 months and were unsucessful. If you look at my reply, I mentioned primary treatment. By definition, that means you are working on plan B and not the primary recommendation.

I personally, have used clorox without problems and used it to cure other toe nail fungus I had as experimenting.

My post related addressing the concern in the context of the original poster. With respect to alternatives to plan B, here is another website I have refered others in the past.

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/fungus.html

The bottom line is your clorox method should cause no problems. If it does, there is the obvious possible issue of it burning and drying your skin. If that happens, you will have to lay off, possibly use tea tree oil and resume treatment in a few days, basically having to start over. Still, I don't believe that will happen with the little dose you are using. I have sucessfully used clorox in higher dosages with any problems. The problem I have discovered is clorox does not penetrate the nail as well as Vinegar.

Remember the goal is to sucessfully attack the fungus in a way to cause the nail at the base to grow clean. Removing a black or gray spot higher than the base will do nothing to address the basic causes of your toenail fungus.

For a person who is just starting out, the doctor recommends White distilled Vinegar. I believe that was what the original post appeared to request.

So far for me, using White Distilled Vinegar and a Q-Tip, the entire base including both corners is clear to a degree. Although part of the clear nail has regressed, as long as the base of my nail is finally growing out, my hope is the rest will eventually follow. There is one small sliver that has made it through to the top to base of the nail. Beyond that, the highest part of the clean nail is about 1/2 way grown out. However I am seeing signs I could regress to 1/4 of clean nail. To me that is not necessarily serious because the base part of my nail is finally growing out from the left corner.

Based on my experience, the main factor is getting the entire base of the nail to grow out and not just sections. I had one situation where only the left side of the nail was completely clear, the rest was fungus infected. I understand your frustration.

The bottom line is if nothiong works, we both may need to get a perscription. Right how. I'm not about to give up yet.



Re: Walt's opinion, please? Vinegar vs chlorox (Archive)

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on May 28, 2007 at 06:47:49:

In Reply to: Walt's opinion, please? posted by Ellen [6466.1351] on May 27, 2007 at 10:12:50:

Ellen,

I think people should use what works for THEM. In MY experience vinegar works for more people than chlorox. Chlorox is infinitely more toxic than vinegar. Whatever one uses, they must take it long enough to see the results through to the end.

Walt

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Re: TO RAMAN!

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 28, 2007 at 11:10:43:

In Reply to: Re: TO RAMAN! posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 28, 2007 at 00:27:55:

I know the website you mentioned. I am there daily. Several of my posts are on there. One of my toenails is 2/3 healthy, I've made progress there. But my other toenail is far worse. There is no pink. I don't understand how I can treat my nails the very identical way and one get better and one get worse. There is another website that I go to where people write in--epinions.com.
The black that I am referring to when using the bleach pen is far greater than a speck. The whole frothy gel that I use at the perimeter of the nail turns black. It is very startling. One person on the epinions website used it and she said that she got rid of it in 2 months. She put it on and left it on while she was getting ready. I would really worry about it getting on carpet, etc. In my opinion, I think if it is killing fungus anywhere around the nail, it's got to be good.



Re: TO RAMAN!

Posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 28, 2007 at 12:33:55:

In Reply to: Re: TO RAMAN! posted by Ellen [6466.1351] on May 28, 2007 at 11:10:43:

Thank you I know understand more. I did try to access the website you mention, but have to confide I cannot find the information you mention and unfamaliar with the product. Would you please provide the brand and name of the product? In theory if the clorox can get under the nail as it appears you indicate, I see no reason why it wouldn't work because it would be at the right PH.




Re: TO RAMAN!

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 28, 2007 at 13:29:41:

In Reply to: Re: TO RAMAN! posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 28, 2007 at 12:33:55:

Hi Raman, The product is Clorox Bleach Pen. I bought it at the grocery store. It cost $3.25. One end has a fine tip, the other a fatter tip with a little scrubber type tip. Make sure to shake it well first. I used both ends. I will try to include the link. I am not very tech-savvy.

You'll see that there are 8 pages. It was probably around page 6 or so where the woman wrote about it. I thought the bleach pen would be safer for car travel than the cheap little squirt bottle that I usually use.

I'm dying for you to try it!

Ellen



Re: TO RAMAN!

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 28, 2007 at 13:30:23:

In Reply to: Re: TO RAMAN! posted by Raman [2016.2863] on May 28, 2007 at 12:33:55:

Hi Raman, The product is Clorox Bleach Pen. I bought it at the grocery store. It cost $3.25. One end has a fine tip, the other a fatter tip with a little scrubber type tip. Make sure to shake it well first. I used both ends. I will try to include the link. I am not very tech-savvy.

You'll see that there are 8 pages. It was probably around page 6 or so where the woman wrote about it. I thought the bleach pen would be safer for car travel than the cheap little squirt bottle that I usually use.

I'm dying for you to try it!

Ellen

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Old Broad--Sorry!

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 28, 2007 at 13:37:21:

In Reply to: Re: TO RAMAN! posted by Ellen [6466.1351] on May 28, 2007 at 13:29:41:

It is the first message at the top of page 6. But I think you'll find all interesting, too. I've made this fungal fighting like a part time job!

http://www.epinions.com/msg/show_~threads/cat_id_~10/id_~4934/forum_id_~201

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Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by Matt [8421.3360] on May 29, 2007 at 00:16:15:

In Reply to: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by DS [1705.3596] on May 26, 2007 at 07:22:46:

I haven't read any of the other responses, and I also have no idea whether CLorox is better or worse at treating nail fungus than vinegar.

What I do know is that if faced with a choice between putting vinegar on myself or Clorox on myself for the purpose of fighting biological processes in my body, I wouldn't go for the Clorox even if it worked twice as well.

Bleach is poison.



Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by Matt [8421.3360] on May 29, 2007 at 00:19:14:

In Reply to: Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by Shirley [7880.2873] on May 27, 2007 at 16:33:44:

I just want to go go on the record as saying that bleach doesn't heal things. It kills things. Including vision if you open your eyes enough in swimming pools...and including people if you have MCS like I do.

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Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by
Ellen [6466.1351] on May 29, 2007 at 10:39:19:

In Reply to: Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by Matt [8421.3360] on May 29, 2007 at 00:16:15:

Hi Matt,
I've tried the vinegar for 11 months now and it has not cured my longstanding toenail fungus. That's why I am trying other remedies. Actually, I am doing 4 different treatments on my toenails, at this point.
Ellen

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Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar

Posted by
joe [1690.2761] on June 18, 2007 at 08:52:10:

In Reply to: Re: Clorox bleach vs. Vinegar posted by Matt [8421.3360] on May 29, 2007 at 00:16:15:

after 3 years of fungus, the only thing that works for me is diaper rash cream.

Wash toenails well. In the shower I use Comet Bleach cleanser and a toothbrush. Dry toes well. You can put vinegar on the nail, but dry it well with a blow dryer. TOES MUST BE DRY, then apply Dr Sheffields or any zinc oxide diaper rash cream to keep out the moisture all day. Let the cream dry on the toenails for a while before shoes & socks. Do not use a diaper cream that has water as an ingredient, and do not use the cream if your toes are going to be out in the sand and sun in sandals, just when they are going to sweat or meet moisture.
I think this is why Vicks Vapor Rub works for some people, it just seals out moisture. But the diaper cream dries on the nail better than the Vicks and keeps the nails dry much longer. And if it's safe enough for a baby's butt.......

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