I thought you might like to know, although I'm not sure anyone here cares, that I have been to an MD (who is also a naturapath). One of my symptoms was a lot of fluid (heavy, lymph fluid was the way my physical therapist put it) collecting in my soft tissues which was what was making it hard to get up and down without assistance. Well, he took some of the fluid, analyzed/cultured it and declared that TETANUS was growing in. That's why my body kept manufacturing more and more of it and why it never went away. I'm better already, just knowing somebody validated what we believed all the time and just because I did not fall within the "table" of when things happen, I did have tetanus. (Obviously from the bad batch the hospital used). Watch for large lawsuit, as I have been disabled almost six months. Oh, well, we ruled out that nasty Parkinson's and rhumitoid.
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Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by Mary Jackson on December 03, 1998 at 14:43:24:
In Reply to: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by Mari Hall on December 03, 1998 at 12:02:10:
Hi Mari--
I have been reading your posts. I wish I could read ALL the posts as I did when I first started reading this site (Feb. '97). It's amazing what things could be growing in us--measles from MMR vaccines, etc. Good luck in your recovery! Mary J.
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Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on December 03, 1998 at 22:31:23:
In Reply to: Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by Mary Jackson on December 03, 1998 at 14:43:24:
It's a shame how the information regarding these shots is not made available to parents so that they can make a balanced and informed decision.
From 1980
thru 1989, EVERY case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine(excluding
5 imported cases). And three of the five imported cases had been vaccinated
against the disease...PM Strebel, et al "Epidemiology of Poliomyelitis in
the US..." Clinical Infectious Diseases, (CDC, February 1992) pp 568-79
A 1981 study showed that one out of every two hundred children who
received the full DPT series suffered sever reactions including
shock-collapse and convulsions(5). Studies also show that children die at a
rate eight times greater than normal within three days after getting the DPT
shot(6).
In a study of 103 children who died of SIDS, Dr. William Torch, of the
University of Nevada School of Medicine at Reno, found that 70% of these
children had been vaccinated with the DPT shot within three weeks of their
death. 26% of which had occured within three days of the shot.
5. "Nature and the Rates of Adverse Reactions Associated with DPT and DT
Immunizations...," Pediactrics, Volume 68, No. 5 (Nov. 1981), pp. 650-659.
6. J. M. Fine and L. C. Chen, "Confounding in studies of adverse reactions
to vaccines," American Journal of Epidemiology, 136, (1992), pp. 121-35.
The great example that is always used to show the "effectiveness" of vaccinations is smallpox, however:
"Before England passed a vaccination law in 1853, the highest death rate
for any two year period was only 2,000, even during the most severe
epidemics. (Jenner himself admitted that smallpox was relatively unknown
before he began his vaccinations). After more than fifteen years of
mandatory vaccinations, in 1870 and 1871 alone more thatn 23,000 people died
from the disease. In Germany, over 124,000 people died from the disease. ALL
had been vaccinated. In Japan, nearly 29,000 people died in just seven years
under a stringent compulsory vaccination and re-vaccination program. Compare
these devastating figures to Australia, where the government terminated
compulsory vaccinations when two children died from the shots. As a result,
smallpox virtually disappeared in that country (three cases in fifteen years)."
"Deaths certified as due
to vaccination...have several times outnumbered those from smallpox"-Dr.
Millard, Medical Officer of Health.
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Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by Walt Stoll on December 04, 1998 at 10:15:17:
In Reply to: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by Mari Hall on December 03, 1998 at 12:02:10:
Dear Mari,
This is a new one on me (not an unusual state of affairs). I have never heard of a chronic case of tetanus and, from my medical school training (and 15+ years of holistic postgraduate training & practice) had no idea it was possible.
I hope you will be able to keep us all up on what is discovered as this goes on. My current thought is that the defendent in this suit will be able to get dozens of professors from medical schools whose "expert opinion" will say that this is impossible no matter what your doc now says. That does not mean that you are wrong or that they are right. It is just that that is what the courts listen to.
Something that WOULD hold water is for your present doc to be able to cure you by dealing with what he says is going on. The other 'experts" would have no explanation for your improvement or for your condition. Were I you, when they suggest you be examined by "their" experts you take advantage of as many examinations as you can get. The more who say that this is all in your head the better your doc's results will look.
Walt
Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by Walt Stoll on December 04, 1998 at 10:27:42:
In Reply to: Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on December 03, 1998 at 22:31:23:
Dear Doc Dave,
If you have been following my notes about this, I think you understand that I am not condoning them giving her stuff she specifically asked that they avoid.
My present confusion is about where this "chronic tetanus infection" could have come from. From all MY training & postgraduate education, I think what is going on is a chronic serum sickness as a reaction to a hyperimmune serum tetanus injection. This in no way would be chronic tetanus although it would have been caused by the shot.
There are NO tetanus germs in either the serum OR the toxoid that would have been used for a series. The only place she could have gotten the "germ" is from her injury for which the "well-meaning doc" was giving the shot.
Her case is either going to totally change what we know about tetanus OR she is going to lose it because she cannot understand that the shot did not cause chronic tetanus (for which the germ would have been needed----and even for that no known mechanism for its occurance). This, whereas much is known about chronic alterations of immunity that could be caused by her unauthorized shot if it were serum (which it likely was).
There is no doubt that the shot likely caused her present condition. What I doubt is that she has chronic tetanus (which is what she presently believes).
Walt
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Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by David Ferguson, D.C. on December 04, 1998 at 10:54:56:
In Reply to: Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by Walt Stoll on December 04, 1998 at 10:27:42:
I have been following this thread loosely and was just putting information there for people to see. I agree that it isn't to my knowledge that the aquisition of the tetanus is possible from the shot but there are a lot of things about injections such as this that no one really knows.
Again, I wasn't really commenting on this thread per se but just exposing more people to more information to stimulate them to search for what is best for them.
Namaste'
Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by Mari Hall on December 04, 1998 at 11:16:36:
In Reply to: Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by Walt Stoll on December 04, 1998 at 10:27:42:
I don't care what you call it-tetanus or blowfly. We buy into the theory that the tetanus shot (or serum or introduction of tetanus into my body or whatever you want to call -that-) caused my present chronic condition, for which we have no "name". I have heavy (the fluid is heavy not the quantity) fluid build up in my soft tissues particularly ankles and feet, hands and fingers; my upper arms are "sore" and I am unable to raise them, my wrists and hands are so "weak" I cannot lift my bedspread, my knees are sore and feel as if they are "breaking" when I try to rise.
I go to a therapist who performs cranial-sacral massage twice or three times weekly; apparently the work she does "thins" the fluid enough I can function as I am much more limber after seeing her.
We've started on a regime of freeze dried nettles, evening primrose oil, protease, vitamins (a, b, c, e), selenium, along with quercitin and matnesium citrate. I am also keeping a 3-day diary of foods I eat and taking 1st am temperature before getting of bed. Then we will probably use homeopathic tetanus.
I am to keep my feet up as much as possible and to walk several times a day swinging my arms (I feel like the palace guards in my apartment house hallway doing this!).
In two days I can tell some improvement. My feet are not swollen in this morning, but by 10 p.m. we'll see what happens.
I don't think I ever said I had "chronic tetanus" because we don't know what to "call" this. My chart simply has "reaction to tetanus shot" as the first diagnosis; we ruled out hypogycemia, Parkinson's, and rhumatoid, so it's none of those.
After sitting five hours in the emergency room, with no treatment, not even washing the wound, could I not have picked up a bug that grew in that time??
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Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED
Posted by Walt Stoll on December 05, 1998 at 10:50:37:
In Reply to: Re: TETANUS -- VALIDATED posted by Mari Hall on December 04, 1998 at 11:16:36:
Dear Mari,
I can understand your frustration.
HOWEVER, although it may not make any difference to YOU what this is called, it will make a WORLD of difference to the court.
Next, your last paragraph in this note tells me that you still think that somehow, you could have "picked up" a tetanus germ that somehow is connected to your present state. Tetanus either kills you right away or not at all. It does not cause anything like you presently have.
It is well known that a hyperimmune tetanus injection (which is undoubtedly what they gave you) CAN cause exactly what you have. If you call it anything other than that, you will lose your case in court.
I would suggest you make hard copy of this entire discussion and share it with any lawyer you get to represent you.
Walt