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Don't Believe The Hype of the World Health Organization.
Walking In The Light,
Gregory
In Reply to: Vaccinations Links [for Archive] posted by Gregory on March 29, 2002 at 03:42:58:
Thanks, Gregory.
The public deserves to know the entire story!
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Vaccinations Links [for Archive] posted by Gregory on March 29, 2002 at 03:42:58:
Read The Hadwin Documents for some food for thought about whether smallpox vaccine is effective and safe or useless and dangerous.
In Reply to: Bogus smallpox vaccine posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 20:24:08:
Thanks, R.
Since most of us adults have been vaccinated, the first thing I would recommend is a smallpox titer to see if I am still immune from the original vaccination.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Bogus smallpox vaccine posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 2002 at 09:13:06:
Again, Walt, you are assuming that being injected with the smallpox vaccine makes you immune to smallpox. I have only seen evidence to the contrary.
In Reply to: Re: Bogus smallpox vaccine posted by R. on March 31, 2002 at 18:30:43:
Well, R.
Now you got me interested. What do you think totally eliminated small pox from the face of the earth? Presently the only small pox viruses, on the planet, are either triple locked in deep vaults OR (heaven forbid) in the hands of terrorists.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Bogus smallpox vaccine posted by R. on March 31, 2002 at 18:30:43:
I don't know if you are aware of the fact that due to a worldwide vaccination program several decades ago, smallpox has been eliminated and no outbraks has ever been reported since.
The only 2-3 labs that still have the virus are located in the US (CDC and the US Army) and one lab in Russia.
Vaccination doen't always work (this is the case with the Antrax vaccine..it requires repetative inocculations for over a year before any protection is possible), but most vacciantion programs have worked spendidly.
I don't know where you have "seen evidence to the contrary"
Would be interested.
GregD
(Biochemist/Cell biologist)
In Reply to: Bogus smallpox vaccine posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 20:24:08:
R,
look at the dates!!! This is research from 1923, and in the documents, research is quoted from 1700 - 1900, when NOBODY really knew what bacteria, viruses, protozoa, DNA etc were..let alone have techniques available to make good vaccines, isolate viral spike proteins, etc.
This is good historic reading, but you can't take it seriously in the 21st century and is only of interest to science historians.
GregD
(Biochemist/Cell biologist)
In Reply to: Re: Bogus smallpox vaccine posted by Walt Stoll on April 01, 2002 at 09:32:42:
Common, you two! Have you seen conclusive evidence that made you so sure that it was the vaccine that eliminated smallpox or did you just believe the government's statement that it did? This seems to be something sacred that Americans can't let go of.
If you are really interested, read what I already mentioned in my previous post and the following. Based on your recent statement, Walt, you won't take what I have to say seriously. However, much of the material was written by MDs and scientists, some of whom possibly had as much experience and training as you do. So, empty your "full cups", and maybe you will learn something. I will paste a rather short page here and then provide several links to much more information, and it will be up to you to study it and make an intelligent decision. I must add that some of it is probably is inaccurate, and I don't believe some of it. For example, I am not sure about HIV/AIDS connection that mention, so whether HIV came from a monkey or not, is not relevant to me. I believe much of what is available at a site I point you to deserves attention.
I want to ask both of you again: what is your proof that it was the vaccine that eliminated smallpox?
Ten points on smallpox vaccination
1. Since only 10% of the world was ever vaccinated against smallpox it is ludicrous for the allopaths (medical doctors only using drugs and vaccines) to claim credit with vaccination, as scientist Glen Dettman points out http://www.whale.to/v/dettman.html
2. Wallace and Tebb proved with government statistics that the first 100 years of smallpox vaccination was a complete failure. Epidemics of smallpox followed vaccination which was why they repealed the compulsory vaccination law. And even if they had eliminated smallpox, the deaths from other causes rose to compensate, in all likelihood caused by vaccination href="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox3.html">http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox3.html
3. Later in the Philippines (1905-1920) the practice was again, conclusively, shown to be useless and deadly href="http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox7.html">http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox7.html
That is the first 120 years of smallpox vaccination--shown to be ineffective and unsafe.
4. Vaccinator Prof Dick in 1962 claimed the vaccine was killing 20 babies a year (UK) which was more than the disease. George Bernard Shaw made this claim in 1929. He used to sit on local government health boards. From 1924-1963 they admit there were 2,398 cases of post vaccinal encephalitis, with 826 deaths. According to G. Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf href="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox2.html">http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox2.html
For 30 years kids died from smallpox vaccination even though no longer threatened by
the disease.
5. Tebb in 1893 stated that 3/4 of "vaccination" was in fact arm-to-arm vaccination(vesicles from smallpox victim were scratched into arms), supported, promoted and used by allopaths.
6. Dr Kalokerinos states that if he used non-disposable needles he could be arrested for malpractice, as it is impossible to sterilize them properly, even using autoclave.
So, during the first 100 years of smallpox "vaccination" diseases were spread by the practice of arm-to-arm vaccination, calf "lymph" vaccination with the complete absence of hygienic practices, and non-disposable needles were still in use in 1990, in Africa.
7. If anyone would like to take pus from a person with smallpox and scratch or inject it into their arm then they are dangerously uninformed about the spread of disease. Smallpox, hepatitis, syphilis, TB, leprosy, and so on href="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/small.html">http://www.whale.to/vaccine/small.html
8. A 1990 article showed them using non-disposable needles in Africa. The current allopathic theory is HIV came from a monkey bite. What they would rather you not know is the fact they made vaccines from monkeys kidneys, and AIDS in Africa mirrors vaccinated areas http://www.whale.to/vaccines/aids1.htm
9. For those who think animal viruses are benign for humans they should look at SV40, a cancer causing monkey virus, now found in human tumours href="http://www.whale.to/v/sv.html">http://www.whale.to/v/sv.html They still don't clean vaccines adequately. And now think about vaccination & variolation over the 150 years before they discovered SV40.
10. The prevailing allopathic view is that smallpox is highly infectious and serious (fearmongering), but looking at 19th century books on smallpox vaccination it doesn't look infectious at all, and it looks like Dr. Campbell was right when he said it was transmitted by the bite of a bedbug, as overcrowding was the main factor (most affected city families lived in
one room) in outbreaks and spread of smallpox, along with the main cause of smallpox--poverty and poor hygiene http://www.whale.to/v/smallpox2.html
More info:
- Main Vaccine Website
- Smallpox page
- Has smallpox really disappeared from the earth? -- this is quite intriguing.
- Interesting statistics. After you study it, see if you still believe that vaccination is the same as immunization.
I think you've got enough. Now present your arguments. But I want them to be better than "it's a well known fact that due to a worldwide vaccination program ..." type of argument.
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