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Posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 09:04:47:

Dynamic flow: resolving the vitamin C controversy
28 Jun 2004

“The dynamic flow model is the most important result in the history of vitamin C”

The Vitamin C Foundation

Summary

Ten years after the death of Linus Pauling, a new scientific model validates his ideas and resolves the vitamin C controversy. It explains how vitamin C can prevent, treat or cure the major diseases of modern times.

This year is the tenth anniversary of the death of Linus Pauling. Pauling was one of the greatest scientists who ever lived: a colossus of chemistry. In his early years, he revolutionised chemistry before moving on to biology and medicine.

He was the only person ever to win two unshared Nobel Prizes and gained many respected awards for medical science. Maurice Wilkins, who shared with Crick and Watson the Nobel Prize for discovering the structure of DNA, called him “god-like, superhuman”.

Then something went wrong: the medical establishment branded Pauling a quack and a charlatan. His crime was to publish a book on vitamin C and the common cold.

This challenge by the medical authorities stimulated Pauling into action. He responded with a series of scientific papers and books, in which he explained that vitamin C cured everything from heart disease to cancer.

The medical experts closed ranks. They performed some preliminary experiments, which appeared to show that vitamin C had little effect on the common cold and no effect on cancer. As far as the medical establishment was concerned, these experiments proved the case against Pauling.

As a result, conventional experts began to disparage vitamin supplements in favour of fruits and vegetables.

As Pauling’s tenth anniversary approached, Drs Steve Hickey and Hilary Roberts decided to reconsider this controversial vitamin. If Pauling was wrong then, by now, the evidence should be relatively easy to uncover. Perhaps they could find out where he and other scientists making wild claims for vitamin C had gone astray. After an exhaustive review of the literature, they published their findings, in the book “Ascorbate: The Science of Vitamin C”.

The book describes the history of vitamin C research, starting with James Lind’s classic 1747 experiment on scurvy: a turning point in the application of science to medicine. Hickey and Roberts use this simple experiment to illustrate how science works. By separating real science from pseudo-science, they show that the medical establishment has come to value pathological science more highly than solid, replicable experiments.

Conventional medicine has called for proof of the benefits of vitamin C. Those making such demands seem to have forgotten that there is no such thing as proof in science: science works by showing that ideas are wrong. Innovation can always be stifled with a claim that there is no scientific proof, no matter how strong the evidence.

However, if the claims for vitamin C are correct, it might replace many lucrative and expensive medications. As they researched the book, Hickey and Roberts began to wonder if Pauling’s offence had been to discuss openly the properties of a substance that threatens the profitability of medicine.

Using basic scientific principles, the book shows that the research underlying the establishment disdain of vitamin supplementation is misleading and flawed.

The common recommendation, that supplements are redundant for people who consume five daily portions of fruit and vegetables, is based on a misinterpretation of the research. Indeed, over the last half a century, medicine’s failure to understand how the body uses the vitamin has hindered progress.

The prevailing consensus seemed to be that the only effect of vitamin C in human beings is to prevent scurvy.

This book re-evaluates the evidence and introduces a new understanding for the action of vitamin C, the dynamic flow model. In the light of the new model, the controversy is resolved. According to this idea, humans need a constant, dynamic flow of ascorbate through the body. Different forms of physical stress, damage or infections cause free radicals to attack body tissues. If sufficient vitamin C is available at the time, it quenches the damage, by donating electrons to neutralise the free radicals. If not, the free radicals wreak havoc with the molecules of our bodies.

In evolutionary terms, humans are odd, as they are one of the few animals unable to make their own vitamin C. Most animals and plants need and produce large amounts of ascorbate, as and when they need it, to counteract oxidation damage.

The reason a cat does not get heart disease, despite living on a diet high in meat and cholesterol, is that cats make their own vitamin C. Vitamin C is an essential antioxidant which humans are unable to produce: if they do not get it in their diet, they die. Unlike cats, people die of heart attacks because they suffer chronic, low-level scurvy.

Based on the evidence presented in this book, Dr Hickey has demanded that the US National Institutes of Health (NIH), governments and the Linus Pauling Institute urgently revise their suggested recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for vitamin C. The dynamic flow model indicates that, for good health, an optimal strategy is to take repeated doses of vitamin C throughout the day: say, a gram with every meal.

The difference between nutritional supplementation and therapeutic use of ascorbate is huge. The book describes an updated regimen for prevention and treatment of heart disease, called antioxidant network therapy; this needs testing experimentally, as a matter of urgency. The authors also explain the scientific basis of ascorbate treatments for cancer, which offer hope of a cure in many cases.

At first sight, the claims for vitamin C in heart disease, infection and cancer appear astonishing. However, Hickey and Roberts have shown that the claimed benefits demand serious consideration, as they have a scientific basis.

Evidence that heart attacks are a result of scurvy has existed for over 50 years. Researchers also showed, over 30 years ago, that high levels of ascorbate kill cancer cells. The failure of the medical establishment to perform critical follow-up experiments has probably resulted in much suffering and countless deaths.

For this reason, the book lists the experiments that are essential to restore respectability to the scientific evaluation of vitamin C. If science confirms even one of these ideas, people will understand why Linus Pauling was prepared to stake his scientific reputation on ascorbate.

As Dr Hickey says, “If this book doesn’t shock you, you haven’t understood it”.

CONTACT: Dr Steve Hickey
Website: http://www.lulu.com/ascorbate
Email: RadicalAcorbate@yahoo.com



Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 15, 2004 at 09:26:36:

In Reply to: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 09:04:47:

I don't have much of an opinion on Vit C. I Did learn that it is in Many foods, even Liver when I looked into it. 4 creatures need to consume it and I had a hound go anemic after antibiotics and after I read that that could have caused it. I gave him 1 C pill and it reversed, as if I started the production again and it happened Fast.

I rarely take C since I feel no different. Ester C did do a lot for a while. I am always curious when a very old person of 100+ is asked what they do or attribute their longevity to and I never heard, taking C or any other supps and many of them don't do what I do or may grandfather did and many don't sound like what they state should make much difference. Maybe they don't realize what helps them live So long.

I say that when I get older I will do something I saw my grandfather did often since I only noticed when he was 90+. Break a raw egg into coffee, stir and stuff bread into the cup. It didn't look very appetizing with the raw egg so figured when I am that old my sense of taste may be weak and it would be tolerable. I like the taste of eggs but a raw white doesn't sound interesting.

Gramps satisfied cravings which I do also instead of being on some regime and both of us seem to have done some extreme things but they didn't last long since we didn't see them as Have To Do's because we or someone said it is good. I think that things and needs change over the years and maybe even day to day so why fight it with something fixed. I believe in some things like cayenne because they work for some things but I wouldn't take it daily though some do. If I want to take it or use it I will. It could be bad daily and I might be doing harm. Since I use it for all infections, the bugs May become resistant, and i Wouldn't want that.)



Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 10:09:30:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 15, 2004 at 09:26:36:

I think the way we feel short-term in response to a vitamin pill is too subtle to register; it took almost 6mths before I felt a dramatic difference when I started back on a multi-vitamine 8yrs ago. Most disease processes take several years to go from nascent to full-blown, and a low level intake of vitamin C may cause subclinical scurvy that takes many years to do its damage. During all that time, a person might hear a spouse (or even doctor) say, "You're just getting old!"



Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by Matylda [30.1245] on July 15, 2004 at 10:27:29:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 15, 2004 at 09:26:36:

Hi Vince,

as you know , my life can't be seperated from cayenne . Did you know that it contains a "noticable" amount of Vitaminn C?

take care
Matylda




Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by Matylda [30.1245] on July 15, 2004 at 10:30:44:

In Reply to: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 09:04:47:

Hi peterb,

good article.

Matylda

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Vitamin C and Birth Control

Posted by P [6.15] on July 15, 2004 at 13:08:04:

In Reply to: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 09:04:47:

I had a question regarding vitamin C and birth control and thought that someone here might then know the answer. I have researched somewhat but have not been able to find much information.

My gynecologic oncologist wants to put me on birth control to stop an ovarian tumor from growing. I DO NOT want to take birth control and would like to have some more evidence to back up some of my findings.

The Physicians Desk Reference indicates that a contraindication of all birth control is Vitamin C and that you should not supplement with it at all if you are taking BC but it doesn't say why.

Do you know?



Re: Vitamin C and Birth Control

Posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 13:52:29:

In Reply to: Vitamin C and Birth Control posted by P [6.15] on July 15, 2004 at 13:08:04:

Some sources say that more than 1000 mg of vitamin C a day can increase increase serum hormone levels by 50% and this could interfere with BC.



Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 15, 2004 at 15:18:49:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 15, 2004 at 09:26:36:

I would rather do things of someone who lived to be 104 and was killed than someone 93 and who is genetically related.
I just don't buy many theories on how to live longer or healthier and have a Strong fear of them being the Wrong thing and Me causing it. That would bug me like it did my dad.

I consider many things and decide what I feel is best for Me and that rarely is very much. I just can't buy the 6 mo wait. I would forget after a week Unless I was in pain and look for a better answer. I get C in cayenne though I rarely think about it, unless I read that it is in them.


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Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 15, 2004 at 15:22:54:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by Matylda [30.1245] on July 15, 2004 at 10:27:29:

yes, I did. So do peas and a bunch more.)

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So how come Pauling died of cancer? nmi

Posted by Maz [31.36] on July 15, 2004 at 16:30:34:

In Reply to: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 09:04:47:

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Re: So how come Pauling died of cancer? - he was in his 90s -

Posted by June.one [177.4] on July 15, 2004 at 16:38:30:

In Reply to: So how come Pauling died of cancer? nmi posted by Maz [31.36] on July 15, 2004 at 16:30:34:

we all eventually die of something.

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Re: So how come Pauling died of cancer? nmi

Posted by peterb [27.23] on July 15, 2004 at 21:40:23:

In Reply to: So how come Pauling died of cancer? nmi posted by Maz [31.36] on July 15, 2004 at 16:30:34:

Another question might be, "Would Pauling have lived to see 90 had he never taken vitamin C supplements?" Perhaps he extended his life by a decade or more, and perhaps the cancer he contracted was caused by exposure to a toxin he was unaware of. The fact he DID die of cancer doesn't mean the vitamin C was responsible, nor does it show he wasn't helped by vitamin C!

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Re: Vitamin C and Birth Control

Posted by P [6.15] on July 15, 2004 at 23:10:24:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamin C and Birth Control posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 13:52:29:

I didn't know that. Should I not take too much Vitamin C if I might have polycystic ovaries then?



Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 16, 2004 at 06:53:37:

In Reply to: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 09:04:47:

Thanks, PeterB.

The PTB cannot hide from this forever. The only hold up even now is the desire to "save face" and make effective doses be available "by prescription only" (CODEX).

Walt



Re: Vitamin C and Birth Control

Posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 16, 2004 at 07:19:21:

In Reply to: Re: Vitamin C and Birth Control posted by P [6.15] on July 15, 2004 at 23:10:24:

I would consult your GYN about that.

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Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient (Archive.)

Posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 16, 2004 at 07:22:38:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 16, 2004 at 06:53:37:

Walt, I agree, I'm taking advantage of relatively cheap suppelemnts while I can...

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Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 16, 2004 at 07:28:03:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by peterb [17.1249] on July 15, 2004 at 10:09:30:

I had responded to myself by mistake.

Have you ever taken a suppliment and gotten a fast result/benefit ? I have many times. It got me to take something that I buy, in the parking lot of where I bought them to see if they will do anything. With some things, if I stuck with them I may be Still waiting for the healing I got with another item or brand.

Different injuries or conditions may be different and react faster or slower. I feel if you hit the right cure, it can be fast. Maybe taking a multi, One item in it was what was needed and the small dose in it took long to do the curing but if That multi didn't have an item, it may not do a thing. I try a multi occasionally to see if they may help something new and I was torn wether to get the one with iron or not. I thought about it and because of what I read about iron and alsheimers Plus a have an seperate iron supp, I decided to get the one without. I took a few of them since it is a different brand and didn't notice anything so I won't be taking any for a while.

It may be hard to figure if one item is needed and how much or often but I look for answers and if something sounds interesting, I will try it and look for results.

To repeat what had said related to Pauling. I'd rather follow what someone who lived to be 104 and was killed and also related than someone who made it to 93. I Wouldn't do what my mom and dad did who only made it to their mid 80's and dad told me not to when he was 70 and dad tried to do Everything right. If he had a cholesterol of 101 he might want to take statins if he couldn't get it down. Gramps wouldn't be worrying about it and eating what he wanted to.
In comparison, dad may have a little ice cream every day while gramps would eat a half gallon in one day and not touch it again for 6 mo. I binged 1 or 2 summers on it and thought of both since dad used to but the 10qt containers when I was young and I Thought about buying them but halfs on sale were cheaper. I hadn't touched it for years and haven't for about 4 now. I have stacks of the containers as tall as I am. They are good for storing things in.



Re: So how come Pauling died of cancer? nmi (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on July 16, 2004 at 07:32:05:

In Reply to: So how come Pauling died of cancer? nmi posted by Maz [31.36] on July 15, 2004 at 16:30:34:

Maz,

We ALL die eventually. The idea is to have a high level of wellness while we live. Pauling lived to his 90s as a healthy and productive person. How many of us will be able to make that claim???

Walt

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Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient

Posted by peterb [27.23] on July 18, 2004 at 19:55:20:

In Reply to: Re: More on Vitamin C -- An Incredible Life-Saving Nutrient posted by Vince F [173.9] on July 16, 2004 at 07:28:03:

I believe the biggest changes are going to be gradual, at least they have been for me. But there are always exceptions. Someone near death from scurvy might well have a dramatic turnaround in just one day by eating citrus fruits. But generally, the body doesn't react as quickly as that. It just depends on the deficiency, the condition, and the cellular requirements for that particular nutrient.

Yes, ice cream will always be a weakness of mine, but now I make it homemade using goat's milk. I tried goats-milk yogurt but, whoa -- it was too strong!!

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