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Excellent site on Vitamin C incl. Ester C

Posted by Rosemarie on April 05, 2001 at 08:45:05:

Just discovered this site. To learn more about the Ester C form of Vitamin C (which Dr. Stoll recommends), select "Vitamin C Links" from the menu at left and then click on "Reference on Ester C Vitamins".

The name of this site is http://www.vitamincfoundation.org and has a wealth of useful information about vitamin see.



Wow, it'll take some time to explore that, thanks! nm

Posted by LT on April 05, 2001 at 14:30:33:

In Reply to: Excellent site on Vitamin C incl. Ester C posted by Rosemarie on April 05, 2001 at 08:45:05:


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Thanks. This provides a rebutal to a previous study

Posted by Pete R on April 06, 2001 at 09:25:01:

In Reply to: Excellent site on Vitamin C incl. Ester C posted by Rosemarie on April 05, 2001 at 08:45:05:

Thanks for the site. I am, of course, skeptical of ALL information until its really been beaten to death. The Life Extention Foundation may also have a "bias" in support of vitamin C.

However, the data sounds scientifically sound. I was VERY happy to read the article which responded to a previous worry of mine, that being an unpublished study by the American Heart Assn which showed increased carotid artery thickening in users of 500mg Vit C. The author made a very logical analysis of the study and presented many more contradicting studies. I feel much better now about my popping ester C and E (in addition to multi-vitamins.... without Iron).

Thanks again.
Pete Reinhard
PS:
Below is a section of that article which I now think may have been the problem with the original study in question:

It is well established that excess iron accelerates atherosclerosis, and one study specifically showed that high levels of iron cause carotid atherosclerosis 43 . It is therefore possible that the people in the American Heart Association study who were taking low potency vitamin C supplements were consuming a multi-vitamin that contained a relatively high level of iron. There is also a possibility that these relatively low-potency vitamin C supplements where causing excess iron absorption from food, but not enough vitamin C to protect against iron-induced LDL cholesterol oxidation that could have contributed to the intima-media thickening observed in the American Heart Association presentation.



Re: Thanks. This provides a rebutal to a previous study

Posted by Vince F on April 06, 2001 at 14:39:23:

In Reply to: Thanks. This provides a rebutal to a previous study posted by Pete R on April 06, 2001 at 09:25:01:

Pete,

I haven't gotten through the Vit C info yet and was
concerned about C as you were but then I don't take anything
that I don't see some result from since I would forget to
and figure it wasn't doing much anyway and after taking
something that helps or solves a problem and isn't needed
to keep things that way I figure it isn't needed again.

Vit C never did anything or agreed with me so I rarely
took it but Ester C should did something but when it didn't
do as much I forgot about it but Do try it when I am trying
to see if what it did do or help would benefit me in
something I am doing. Since it made me NEED to exercise and
I Just did it, when I do workout or want to do some
physical work I will sometimes take it to see if it
improves my performance or recovery.

When I was on Prodigy there was an item on their Science
News that I think came from the wire services that news
shows get their info and they said that copper and iron were
found in plaque that blocked arteries and it was thought
that the iron came from red meat and the copper from
plumbing. I can't remember the source of the article now.
Reading that gave me the ideas of how Chelation Could work
to clean out blockages since I am a skeptic also and need to
know how something can do the things that are claimed or I
have doubts.

VF



Agree. Its good to be skeptical.

Posted by Pete R on April 06, 2001 at 16:58:54:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks. This provides a rebutal to a previous study posted by Vince F on April 06, 2001 at 14:39:23:

Hi Vince.
With regards to vitamin C, however, I think the majority of literature says its good for you. Its not one of those things that you will see results from. Its a powerful antioxidant that basically works behind the scenes. (my scientist brother made an analyogy that we are basically "rusting" due to the very thing we need to live - oxygen. Hence, anti-oxidant)

You are right - if you don't see actual results, you won't be reminded to take it. But in this case, after reading a great deal of literature, I have come to the conclusion that you just have to trust it. I take a good multi that doesn't have iron, plus take extra E (400 IU) and C (1/2 g) during the day while at work. I see them on my desk so I remember to take them.

A naturopath I recently saw said I should take more E.

And my conventional doctor, who said "vitamins aren't really needed", when questioned what HE took, admitted that he took E and 1/2 asprin/day.

A, C and E are the powerful antioxidants. They will help against heart disease, cancer, et al. You usually don't see them coming. The Ester C does not bother me at all, even at 2-3 grams/day, which I only take during a sickness. And I HAVE seen it speed recovery.

Regards.
Pete R



Re: Agree. Its good to be skeptical.

Posted by Vince F on April 06, 2001 at 18:08:26:

In Reply to: Agree. Its good to be skeptical. posted by Pete R on April 06, 2001 at 16:58:54:

Pete, even without my memory problems making me forget to
take things unless they do something I can see I tend not
take much. Guess I wonder if something could be doing
something bad so I would rather error on that side. With
a few things doing a lot and working so fast and then not
needed again I feel it tells me the problem is fixed. With
all my problems from a chemical injury I wouldn't want to
cause more but I might be different because of all the
damage but then my dad used to try to talk me into taking
things and I would only try things that agreed with me or I
felt I might need but that didn't last long but then when
things helped a Lot i swore by them.

I guess things like zinc that helped me with muscle aches
and really feeling cold weather and I took it when needed
or knew it would help or avoid the pains I rarely take it
now and just to see if it could help something that is
happening and they say that it can deplete copper in the
system. I have copper and have tried the 2 together and
didn't notice any difference so figured that I probably
didn't need the copper and maybe just wasn't absorbing zinc
from food or utilizing it or something or maybe as i feel
I needed to get it seperately from other nutrients for it
to get into me. Now taking it as a maintance thing what if
it Did deplete copper and I didn't take enough or forgot.
That's just my opinion in my situation but all I can go by.

I have taken E but it didn't do anything and the water
soluable one didn't agree so tend to think I should avoid it
as a suppliment and don't think I have any problems that a
lack of it could cause but I guess we'll see down the road.

VF

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Re: Excellent site on Vitamin C incl. Ester C (Archive in vitamin C.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 07, 2001 at 09:04:59:

In Reply to: Excellent site on Vitamin C incl. Ester C posted by Rosemarie on April 05, 2001 at 08:45:05:

Thanks, Rosemarie.

Namaste`

Walt

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thanks for citing that....

Posted by LT on April 07, 2001 at 15:25:07:

In Reply to: Thanks. This provides a rebutal to a previous study posted by Pete R on April 06, 2001 at 09:25:01:

I think I might have missed it and I also have been curious about that study.

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