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National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful!

Posted by QT on June 14, 2001 at 21:10:44:

Thats what I heard Tom Brokaw reporting tonight June 14, 01, that a study has shown doses of Vit C over 1000 mg. daily can possibly harmful to your DHA which could lead to cancer!
How come they never have studies and or reports about the dangers of perscription drugs????
Guess what... I'll keep taking my C and if I drop dead I'm sure it won't be from the C!!!




Correction: large DOSES that is nmi

Posted by QT on June 14, 2001 at 21:14:26:

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Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful!

Posted by I wonder if its C, or ascorbic acid and other chemically created excuses for vitamins??? on June 14, 2001 at 21:31:11:

In Reply to: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! posted by QT on June 14, 2001 at 21:10:44:

Most people are beginning to wake up and smell the chemicals, and maybe this is another great leap for the media trying to catch up with human awareness? I wonder if all the 'reports' have to do with essential vitamin C, or the chemically created excuses for the pharmacutical firms' idea of vitamin C? (Like all the cheapest brands selling ascorbic acid as a supposed vitamin when in reality it is the "egg shell', the protective coating vitamin C occurs in when it forms in a natural food?) Just wondering....



Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful!

Posted by PeterB on June 15, 2001 at 12:13:34:

In Reply to: Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! posted by I wonder if its C, or ascorbic acid and other chemically created excuses for vitamins??? on June 14, 2001 at 21:31:11:

Wondering, the studies use synthetics, primarily ascorbic acid as "vitamin C." In part, this may be due to the fact that so FEW people take food-state supplements. At least as likely, I believe it's because isolates represent the majority competition to the Pharmas. Still, isolates are ideal for addressing chronic deficiencies, something pharmaceuticals will never do. Personally, I prefer food-state vitamins for long-term use.



What are foodstate vitamins? ...nmi.

Posted by Tony on June 15, 2001 at 12:44:10:

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Re: What are foodstate vitamins? ...nmi.

Posted by PeterB on June 15, 2001 at 17:10:36:

In Reply to: What are foodstate vitamins? ...nmi. posted by Tony on June 15, 2001 at 12:44:10:

Any compressed and concentrated naturally-occuring vitamins and minerals -- literally, condensed plant foods. Phytonutrients are grown and compressed into tablet form or sold as powders for making smoothies. The tablets are of lower density than isolates so they dissolve quickly in the intestines. Abosrption and utilization is easily triple that of isolates. A 250mg whole food vitamin C tablet will provide about 200mg of utilized vitamin C. It would take a 1000mg tablet of vitamin C to provide the same level of utilization (roughly a 4-to-1 advantage.) Another plus for whole food vitamins: their molecular weights are less than that of synthesized isolates, so their effects are probably more synergistic. Fewer than 5% of supplements on the market today fall into this category. The other +95% are synthetics (ie, isolates). Interestly, isolates come with labels that often refer to the contents as "natural" vitamins. However, if the label does not say "whole food," the contents are synthetic.



Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! (Archive in Vitamin C.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 16, 2001 at 07:45:44:

In Reply to: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! posted by QT on June 14, 2001 at 21:10:44:

Hi, QT.

Total AMA propaganda. They are incensed that everything that helps is not under their control and so will spread any disinformation they can about vitamin C. This is old news that has already been relegated to the bonepile by those who know. In the meantime they are heavily lobbying congress to make larger than 100 milligram vitamin C tablets illegal to make and to put ALL vitamin C available by presciption only.

It is just like the AMA, who has made a profession of discounting vitamin C for anything--and thus not srudying it for the past 50+ years, to now put themselves up as experts in a field that they are likely the least knowledgable about!

Wait and see.

Walt



Wow! Whats next??? Banning oranges??? nmi

Posted by QT on June 16, 2001 at 13:44:16:

In Reply to: Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! (Archive in Vitamin C.) posted by Walt Stoll on June 16, 2001 at 07:45:44:

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For Peter

Posted by QT on June 16, 2001 at 13:58:27:

In Reply to: Re: What are foodstate vitamins? ...nmi. posted by PeterB on June 15, 2001 at 17:10:36:

I have heard that some brands that claim "food state" vitamins aren't nesesarilly so...that all vitamin manufacturers get their raw materials from the same place and that if says, say for instance (on your vitamin bottle) Vitamin A (as vit A acetate) or Vitamin B (as pyridoxine hydrochloride)is is a U.S.P version. Anything in perentheses (sp??) is a chemical version from U.S.P. !!!
I have been using Shaklee vitamins for years a so-called food source/natural vitamin and was surprised when I learned this and saw this type of listings on the bottle of my Shaklee multi-vitamins!! I have noticed excellent results with some of Shaklee's products over health food store brands especially with the multi-vit, alfalfa, garlic and E.P.A. and would like to find an alternative brand that works as well, because I have found with Shaklee the price is way high but I have continued with it because of the good results. They seem to assimilate well.
Could you advise me on the names and sources of some whole food vitamins that you have found to work weel for you?
Thanks for any advise!



So does this mean Ascorbic Acid (vs.natural vit C) is bad for you? NM

Posted by Mr. Orange on June 16, 2001 at 15:18:16:

In Reply to: Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! (Archive in Vitamin C.) posted by Walt Stoll on June 16, 2001 at 07:45:44:

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Re: For Peter

Posted by PeterB on June 17, 2001 at 23:29:03:

In Reply to: For Peter posted by QT on June 16, 2001 at 13:58:27:

QT, you bring up a good point. The "forms" shown on labels in paranthesis often (but not always) indicate either naturally-occuring isolates removed from their food-state complex, OR synthetics. So you actually have three broad categories of nutrients: 1. Synthetics (chemically manufactured.) 2. Isolates (extracts.) 3. Food-state (complex structures.) BTW, ascorbic acid is usually an extract of corn syrup or other refined sugar. It may do some good things in the body, but it isn't a complex vitamin. Personally, I use MegaFood plant-derived supplements. These are food-state tablets you can take on an empty stomach. Another good brand is New Chapter. These are both a little more $$ than isolates/synthetics, but you get a lot more bang for your buck. Take care.
P



Re: So does this mean Ascorbic Acid (vs.natural vit C) is bad for you? NM

Posted by PeterB on June 17, 2001 at 23:31:54:

In Reply to: So does this mean Ascorbic Acid (vs.natural vit C) is bad for you? NM posted by Mr. Orange on June 16, 2001 at 15:18:16:

Ascorbic acid is a thousand times safer than prescription drugs, however I personally feel vitamin C is more beneficial.

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I'm sure once they're genetically engineered enough, the FDA can get control of them somehow!!! nmi

Posted by labrat on June 18, 2001 at 08:22:15:

In Reply to: Wow! Whats next??? Banning oranges??? nmi posted by QT on June 16, 2001 at 13:44:16:

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Re: For Peter, are those brands available in health food stores? nm

Posted by QT on June 18, 2001 at 12:55:13:

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Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful!

Posted by Terri--Lynn-Alan Gaby on June 19, 2001 at 12:46:15:

In Reply to: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! posted by QT on June 14, 2001 at 21:10:44:

Message is from Alan Gaby on Vit.C,

He says the study was done in test tubes, and the relevance of it's findings to humans and other living organisms is far from clear; Human blood and cells contain a myriad of antioxidants, enzymes,proteins and other molecules, that interact in extremely complex waqys. Because of the intricate nature of biological fluids, it cannot be assumed that chemical reactions that occur in the test tube would necessarily take place in the body; It is a large leap to infer from this report that Vit. C causes cancer there are also lots of findings that it can prevent colon cancer and bladder cancer;



Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 21, 2001 at 08:42:26:

In Reply to: Re: National news report: Vitamin C in large does can be harmful! posted by Terri--Lynn-Alan Gaby on June 19, 2001 at 12:46:15:

Thanks, Terri-Lynn!

There will be many more true scientists who will make hash of this silly article pushed by the AMA.

I think it is a pretty good policy to be suspicious if the AMA is for it. Too bad!

Namaste`

Walt

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