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Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

Just this weekend, while reading about anti-inflammation plans I
came across the subject of Metabolic Syndrome. Seems to describe
me.

I must FIGHT to keep my waist size down to less than 40 inches, have
stubborn belly fat, hypertension, elevated C-Reactive Protein and HDL
of 48. Seems like these are enough factors to define it.

But I just don't know what to do except work harder to lose the fat
(which seems to have a life of its own).

Right now I eat 80% "good" (however, this is motivating me to
improve that), I exercise by doing cardio 30 minutes 5 times a week,
and weight training at least 3 x a week, so I'm already doing much of
what needs to be done.

The only thing I can think of is to eat even less... a bit of a problem
because I have extreme hunger pains sometimes between meals.
Also, I just read that Niacin (which my Cardiologist wants me to be on
to raise the HDL - and I'm trying the no-flush version) can increase
the production of endogenous glucose and incite diabetes, loverly!
I'm taking Omega 3's, Vitamin C and Vitamin E as prescribed by my
physician.

Since I'm already doing more than is recommended I'm frustrated as
to how to approach this. But, of course, this IS "self-diagnosis," eh?
Well, my annual physical is this week, so we'll see how the blood
work turns out.



Could I do this..... ?

Posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:51:00:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

A juice fast? Would that jump-start (i.e. zap the belly beast) some
more weight loss?



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Vince F [4572.3780] on November 04, 2007 at 23:31:08:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

how long do you fight off hunger pangs? I feel I loose a couple lbs if I fight them off for an hr or two.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 00:04:00:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

Hi Eric,

Did your doctor tell you what the possible reason was for the high C Reactive Protein?

If he was not concerned about it, maybe you should show him the following article?


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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 00:17:27:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

Hi Eric,

Insulin resistance is related to the amount of body fat in the area of the midriff..
This also is the main symptom and cause of type 2 diabetes.

This fat can be burned off quite effectively using the
Atkin's Diet since going without refined carbs results in the body using up it's fat stores.
Your HDL will also look better as your LDL is reduced.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 05, 2007 at 05:48:23:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 00:17:27:

Yeah, that would be an option (as I've used Atkins before
successfully, but obviously only temporarily) except that I get SEVERE
constipation even when I consume massive quantities of OTC fiber
supplements. Basically, I need my oatmeal, to be regular, LOL.

Still, I will reconsider it (maybe I'll try lots of Spinach?) because I
believe things have changed.

My LDL's and Triglycerides are great... just that stubborn HDL is too
low.

I'll know if my blood glucose has changed with the bloodwork, it has
always been good before.



Re: Could I do this..... ?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 05, 2007 at 07:09:53:

In Reply to: Could I do this..... ? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:51:00:

Eric,

Yep, if the juice is only vegetable and no fruit juice. It will take about 2 weeks. Be sure you understand how to do it and how to come off of it (books on fasting at the healthfood store or in the lending library).

Walt



Juice Fast AND Exercise???

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.2003] on November 05, 2007 at 07:18:04:

In Reply to: Re: Could I do this..... ? posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 05, 2007 at 07:09:53:

Yeah, I've seen the books, and skimmed them. Not clear on exercise
and whether I could/should sustain my current level should I do this?



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 07:39:50:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

I'm gonna get back to you on this in another venue.

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 08:20:32:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 05, 2007 at 05:48:23:

oh my gosh you do not need to do atkins; remember this - only fat
people use atkins. Skinny people with great "blood" numbers rarely do
those types of diets.

Eat like a skinny person.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by Sally [6687.1590] on November 05, 2007 at 08:22:47:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 05, 2007 at 05:48:23:

Eric, do you like greens and beans? Some Italian restaurants serve it and maybe you can mimic the recipe. I love it with garlic, oil, black beans and romano cheese.

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Re: Juice Fast AND Exercise???

Posted by Michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 08:22:54:

In Reply to: Juice Fast AND Exercise??? posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.2003] on November 05, 2007 at 07:18:04:

I know this is against popular vote here, but I think the juice fast is
nothing but a quick water weight loss and not much else. It's still
calories, it still is food -etc. I don't see the long term value in it for this
situation.

Cut out refined crap and you will be fine.

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Sally [6687.1590] on November 05, 2007 at 08:25:36:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Vince F [4572.3780] on November 04, 2007 at 23:31:08:

That's what I've heard also, Vince. Hunger pains mean actively losing weight.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.2003] on November 05, 2007 at 08:33:31:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 08:20:32:

Ha. When I eat like a skinny person, I get VERY fat, very fast. I've tried
pure vegan, but it would seem that my metabolism/genetics likes to
put on fat just like my father. My mom would have him on a calorie
restricted, low fat... oh, you know... similar to the AHA's
recommendations and he'd still have a fat stomach. And if he so much
as ate a dessert or two, watch out.

That's me too, unfortunately. I've had a partial truce because of my
exercising, but not with the belly stuff. So as much as I'd like to take
the philosophy that he is not me and vice versa, too many similarities.

One thing I've noticed about "skinny" people (of the type you imply,
not necessarily the high metabolism folk like Jan) is that they are
satisfied by snacks between meals consisting of a small handfull of
nuts and or dried fruit... or water kills their appetite. Me, that just
makes me hungrier and water makes me nauseaous. I dunno, I just
don't know.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 09:09:11:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 05, 2007 at 05:48:23:

Hi Eric,

I notice no comment regarding the C Reactive Protein?
What do you think might be the cause of the high number?

Inflammation of the gut can be the reason for the difficulty in getting the waist measurement down.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 05, 2007 at 09:19:14:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

eating 'healthy' is an individual thing. My husband loved the whole wheat bread I baked him and the whole wheat pasta I served (and the whole wheat burritos, pretzels, breadsticks, rolls, etc). He was eating 100% 'healthy' but his waist got bigger and he gained weight. He was in the military, and when the regular weigh-in was coming up, he would fast, exercise, dehydrate in the days before, to squeak in under the limits.

After we read a couple of protein books, he decided to try a low carb diet. His main food was homemade soy protein shales with water, soy isolate protein powder, and safflower oil. The pounds came off, his waist shrunk, his stage 4 sinus disease disappeared. After helost 60 pounds he started adding back some carbs. His sinuses told him right away that wheat was not right for him. He also found that ANY grain, in large quantity, doesn't work for him. So he eats small amounts of brown rice, popcorn, millet bread and brown rice burritos. His main foods are beans, vegetables, bananas, and protein shakes (with honey added these days-calories aren't an issue, if he stays off the wheat/gluten).

I suggest you try a couple of months off of gluten (wheat, oats, rye, and barley) and limit your other grains to see if it helps. You might also do an oral cleanse to get rid of anything that might contribute to bloating that's stored in your body.
Try the 5 day oral bowel detox at www.herbdoc.com -it's very effective.



C-Reactive response

Posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.2003] on November 05, 2007 at 09:26:12:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 09:09:11:

Well, I will be having my annual physical in a few days, so until I get
the bloodwork in a week or so, don't see the point in much of a
response other than asking the doc about this.

Of note is it was 15.2 three years ago, 5.3 two years ago and 3.8 one
year ago. My physician put me on the Omega 3/Vitamin C/Vitamin E
to bring the number down. It seems to be working (but I was really
inspired to improve my diet three years ago, this past year I've
slipped up a lot), but not in the clear yet (as we know, the ideal
number is below 1).

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Vince F [4572.3780] on November 05, 2007 at 10:20:51:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Sally [6687.1590] on November 05, 2007 at 08:25:36:

that's good to hear, since weight can vary from one time to another, and remembering if I was dressed or not when I weighed myself last. I don't do it on a schedule, unless I am working on dieting, it can get confusing.

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption)

Posted by Michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 14:48:28:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = (Reduce Refined Carb consumption) posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.2003] on November 05, 2007 at 08:33:31:

I know jan said she had a high metabolism but the photo of her
seems "normal" weight unless things have changed; she may be
eating a lot because she needs a lot of nutrients and is able to eat a
lot as it is whole foods? Her work is HARD and she is probably
burning per her activity level.
The type of person I know of who is skinny with a high metabolism is
more lanky looking without doing a thing.
Having a high metabolism does not always mean you eat more than
average.

In your case then, never mind. LOL Eat like a really worried heavy
person. Kidding! You will even out.


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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 14:49:38:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 05, 2007 at 09:19:14:

Do you feel he is sugar sensitive or gluten sensitive?

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Michele [2503.4192] on November 05, 2007 at 14:50:56:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 05, 2007 at 09:19:14:

What you call healthy from before, sounds like a carb fest to me - no
wonder he was chunky!

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 18:39:13:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 05, 2007 at 09:19:14:

Hi Ann,

Could you tell me (other than intolerance) what could be wrong with consuming whole unground grains after they were properly cooked in a rice steamer?
(Even diabetics can eat these because they release their starches/sugar so slowly.)



The Zone Diet works for Belly Fat

Posted by Barb [10618.2765] on November 06, 2007 at 06:08:16:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

Read the book "The Zone" by Barry Sears.

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Re: Juice Fast AND Exercise???

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 06, 2007 at 07:14:27:

In Reply to: Juice Fast AND Exercise??? posted by Eric d'cleric [3011.2003] on November 05, 2007 at 07:18:04:

Eric,

In my opinion, one should cut back on exercise during a fast. Only do what is comfortable and gradually build back up slowly after the fast.

Walt



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 06, 2007 at 11:37:19:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 05, 2007 at 18:39:13:

SOME PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE GLUTEN!!! Quite possibly, this affects a lot more people than anyone suspects, because it is not routinely tested for.

as for your comments about whole grains and diabetes-they are well intentioned, but wrong. I don't just read a book like The Glucose Revolution and take what they say on faith. I have two kids with glucose meters and we try out the concepts and find out if they are true.
Whole grains are not hugely different from refined grains in their effect on blood sugar. This does not make whole grain pointless, it simply isn't a big issue for diabetes. Whole grains are still worthwhile for other health reasons.
What limits effect on blood sugar is: protein, fat, and acid. Never eat carbs, whether whole grain or refined, by themselves. Always include some protein and fat. As for acid- oil and vinegar dressings, mustard has lots of vinegar. I hear Canadians like vinegar on their french fries-vinegar helps limit blood sugar effect. French fries are better for blood sugar than a baked potato- unless you put butter or sour cream on the baked potato- then you control it's blood sugar effect.

Ron- store brand glucose meters are inexpensive-conduct a few harmless experiments on yourself by eating different foods and getting scientific input about their effect.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 06, 2007 at 12:19:14:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 06, 2007 at 11:37:19:

Hi Ann,

I did preface my comment with (other than intolerance)...

I understand that diabetes where the sufferer is not producing insulin is a serious risk... but even those people do have times of low blood sugar..
It might even be a good idea to consume some slow release grains (with a meal) to let out their starches over a few hours instead of in minutes.

Here is a link which you may find offensive to your position, but think about it as related to type 2 diabetics who still produce insulin.



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 06, 2007 at 13:13:52:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Ron [5412.1575] on November 06, 2007 at 12:19:14:

the only thing I agree with Mirkin on , in that link, is that losing weight will help with control of type 2 diabetes. Cutting fat is NOT the way to lose weight. The protein /kidney connection is addressed in Bernstein's book, Diabetes Solution. Dr Bernstein has had type 1 for over 40 years and treats both types of diabetes at his clinic.

The more I read bad diabetes advice, the more I respect authors who actually have diabetes and write about it- they don't say as much clueless stuff.

Internet advice is something to put into your brain and evaluate in a context. Some advice is good, some bad, but we learn which through experimentation. Do you or someone you love have diabetes? If, so, some gentle experimentation will help you find which advice is sensible.

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Thanks...

Posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 06, 2007 at 13:32:06:

In Reply to: Re: Juice Fast AND Exercise??? posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 06, 2007 at 07:14:27:

...will get opinions from my physician (alternative friendly) among
other things.

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I would suggest a liver cleanse -

Posted by Voice of Reason [8520.4] on November 06, 2007 at 16:42:29:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

or a liver flush if you are brave.

VoR

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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on November 07, 2007 at 07:45:01:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 06, 2007 at 11:37:19:

Thanks, Ann.

Good explanation!

Walt

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Cinnamon for Metabolic Syndrome

Posted by Carol B. [5488.4136] on November 08, 2007 at 00:50:48:

In Reply to: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Eric d'cleric [1815.3129] on November 04, 2007 at 20:43:22:

Recent headlines about cinnamon are the result of an accidental finding in a Maryland USDA research center.
Incredibly, the catalyst was as American as good old apple pie, flavored with -- what else -- cinnamon.
Scientists were testing the effects of various foods on blood sugar (glucose) levels.
They expected the classic pie to have an adverse effect, but instead they found it actually helped lower blood glucose levels.

The researchers then took their surprising discovery and tested it in a small 60 patient study conducted in Pakistan, reporting in the journal Diabetes Care.
All the patients had been treated for type 2, adult onset diabetes for several years and were taking anti-diabetic drugs to increase their insulin output.
But they were not yet taking insulin to help process their blood glucose.
The subjects were given small doses of cinnamon ranging from as little as a quarter teaspoon to less than 2 teaspoons a day for 40 days.

The results: Not only did the cinnamon reduce their blood sugar levels and increase their natural production of insulin, it lowered their blood cholesterol as well.
Even 20 days after the cinnamon treatment had ended, the patients continued to see beneficial effects.

This is good news for the more than 50 million Americans who suffer from diabetes and/or heart disease. All the patients in the study showed better glucose metabolism and natural insulin production when they took cinnamon capsules that delivered less than two teaspoons a day of the spice.

Specifically, their blood cholesterol levels were lowered in the range of 10 to 26 percent, affecting overall cholesterol levels and reducing the LDL (known as the “bad” cholesterol) but not reducing levels of HDL, the “good” cholesterol.

This is also potentially good news for the many millions more of us who suffer from insulin resistance, sometimes known as “prediabetes,” or the “Metabolic Syndrome.”
Lowering blood sugar levels, and improving cholesterol ratios can help reverse prediabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, and in fact may actually prevent the worsening of health to full diabetes.

In addition, addressing elevated blood sugar levels and helping to combat insulin resistance may be a successful factor in helping you lose weight.



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Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by Andrew [3556.4367] on December 04, 2007 at 03:34:48:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 05, 2007 at 09:19:14:

Ann, did your husband have seasonal allergies? If not, do you know if avoiding gluten and maybe reducing all grains would help someone with seasonal allergies?



Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what?

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on December 08, 2007 at 09:06:12:

In Reply to: Re: Epiphany: Stubborn Belly Fat = Metabolic Syndrome. Now what? posted by Andrew [3556.4367] on December 04, 2007 at 03:34:48:

I'm cross-posting this answer to your newer post as well as to the old one you asked me to respond to-if you have further questions, maybe you could post them at the newer post- it's easier to find and will take longer to drop off the board.

in retrospect, no, he didn't have seasonal allergies, but, at the time, the doctor assumed he did.
We eat differently at different seasons, so it is easy to mistake things-a person might eat more meat and potatoes and soup in the winter and more sandwiches and burritos in the summer, asd an example.

But, even if one is severely allergic to a seasonal phenomena, it stands to reason that the less other things gumming up your respiratory system, the better you will be able to deal with new challenges to it.

The only way to tell is gluten/ quantities of grains/ and/or dairy are problems for an individual are to go off it for a while ( a couple of months is a realy good test) and then to reintroduce stuff and see what it does to you.
Because my husband had gone on a low carb diet for several months, consuming only no carb soyshakes, oils, and vegetables, when he lost all the weight he wanted and added back grain, the change was obvious and dramatic. He figured out he had to give up wheat immediately. Eventually we refined that to all gluten grains. But, while corn and brown rice worked best for him, even large quantities of those messed him up- it's an individual thing, you have to learn what your own body can handle.
He has a Food for Life brown rice tortilla made into a burrito once a day, popcorn as his main snacking food, and sometimes uses Arrowhead Mills puffed brown rice or Puffed Millet breakfast cereals on top of his veggies and beans dinner to give it some crunch.
He uses brown rice pasta as a very occasional treat and has some brown rice and walnut pie crust at holiday celebrations.
Only one of our sons is type O like his father, and he decided to try going off wheat when he saw how his father improved. He later got rid of all gluten grains. He eats a half cup of brown rice a day and about 4 cups of popped popcorn. He often has a 1/4 of a pumpkin pie made with brown rice/walnut crust. That's his whole grains for the day.
Both guys use Clif's Nectar Bars, a raw foods bar with no grain that is date-based for their snacks. There are several brands on non-grain bars- Clif Nectar (other varieties of Clif Bars have grains), Larabars, and a couple of others, but the others all have cashews, and my type O's avoid cashews, re: the blood type diet.

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