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In the ongoing effort to put a finger on what is wrong with me I wonder if anyone has every heard of this or can hazard a guess as to what it may indicate: I have pondered everythign from hypoglycemia to brian chemistry problems [ADHD] and beyond. I think it is signifigant... but no doctor has wanted to field this ball.
I react opposite. Generally speaking a stimulant will put me down and a depressant will pick me up. let me explain:
In college, suffering froma cold I took Nyquil. I was supposed to drop right off, but I did nto sleep at all that night, I was up shaking and wired. I was hyper and could not relax. I even had a hard time sleeping the next night.
Knowing this is a public computer, I will not specifically say, but lets say a hypothetical individual tried excstacy, then, while his friends saw thier heartrates charge upwards, his plummeted, bottoming out at a weak 23 beats a minute. this boy would have crashed on the couch and been very afraid. this same boy might then have, with the aid of his friends, gotten up to go intothe bathroom, when his hypothetical heart would ahve begun beating like a trip hammer, pounding- until he seemed to be getting the same reaction as his friends.
caffine- generally coffee will first drop me out. I get cold and faint. with the addition of food or sugar, the coffee becomes jet fuel.
Excederin PM, givin to me by a mother who was frustrated by the fact that I have suffered from insomnia since age 4, kept me up all night long, jittery and wired.
If I do not sleep I am tired all day, but around dusk, I perk up to the point that by bed time I cannot sleep.
Ritalin [actually the generic], presciped for possible ADD, does totally relax me, infact it will tire me right out. I feel faint, and this could be a drug intolerance, and i get a massive migraine. later, the migraine will fade and I perk up and feel great.
Any ideas. Any at all?
background: PWFD for 3 years; 2x Sr daily for 1 year, PD, PF, and pure water. Sleep and excersize; have read the main titles on this website... ate only meat and fat and veggies for 2 years. was a vegetsarian previously... once hospitalized for passing out... once dangerously low body weight as all foods had a reaciton...brain fog, loss of coordiantion, loss of concentration, etc etc etc.
In Reply to: Weird Phenomena posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 09:56:14:
A hypothetical individual tried ecstasy? Thats cute!
How about staying off all stimulants and depressants to begin with? And you wouldnt have this problem.
the coffee becomes jet fuel? lol! Instead of coffee, how about green tea without caffeine in it?
So then there should be no caffeine, no hypothetical ecstasy, no alcohol.
Only the medication you HAVE to take should be taken.
does sound weird though.
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by Zara on July 18, 2003 at 11:03:35:
I think a dozen cups of coffe, one drug experiement, two trials of prescribed ritalin and two sleeping aids in 12 years is pretty tame.
I am trying to read tea leaves. I knwo it is grasping at straws but I am so frustrated.
In Reply to: Weird Phenomena posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 09:56:14:
Hi Warner,
Your symptoms and mine still sound a lot alike. My brain fog and loss of concentration comes almost totally when I eat incorrect foods. Another example of our similarities is, my tiredness after not sleeping seems to last until about 2 p.m. and then I perk up. I also reacted oppositely to many supplements, until .....
My latest and greatest improvement from all of this has come from a three-week therapeutic megadose of Niacin (B3 - I took up to 10 grams a day), followed by large maintenance doses of B complex, and magnesium.
If you can't find a doc to help you with it, do it yourself! It's not dangerous, heck, vitamins are nutrition, not drugs. Let me know if you want to experiment wth it, and I'll give you some book titles which give instructions.
What I have concluded is my nervous system had certain nutrients (B3 especially) leached out of it due to long time stress, and the B3 had to be replaced in the tissues before my NS would respond correctly to things like taking magnesium or Vitamin C. I replaced the B3 through taking megadoses and then everything worked much better after that. This is too simple for most doctors, Warner.
Let me know if you want some help with this.
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 11:28:07:
First, and most important, why would you do this to yourself? Dont you care about your health any? from what you have said, that is not very tame. But then, most would probably describe me as being a healthnut, amongst other imaginative descriptions.
reading tea leaves? lol! so does that mean you wont take me up on my offer of green tea? give it a try, what have you got to lose?
if you are so frustrated, take the weight off! sit down, relax, breathe deeply, and repeat slowly after me, OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! lol! Now dont you feel better already?
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by Happygal on July 18, 2003 at 11:29:51:
admittedly happygal, I am frustrated with the purchase of supplements. I have bought so much B and C and Mg and others through the years...
that said this sounds promising. My girlfriend is helping me go through all this material and she is one hell of alot smarter than I. I would love to see the research and hear more about your program and experiences. You have helped me in the past and I trust your advice. post here or else I included my email.
thanks
WK
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by Zara on July 18, 2003 at 11:34:27:
zara,
I appreciate your answer, but I am trying to communicate tehat these are rare exceptions, that might be helpful for disgnosisnt a greater problem. I had to drop out of school becuase of the health problems. mantras are not particularly soothing right now.
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by Zara on July 18, 2003 at 11:34:27:
he sounds tame to me. I know so many young and older peoplewho repeatedly do ecstacy , drink, smoke, its so sad. hesounds very concerned with his health, hell my diet is pretty good but he out ranks me . hope u figure this out warren.
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by cindy on July 18, 2003 at 13:04:57:
thanks. I am really dedicted.
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by Zara on July 18, 2003 at 11:03:35:
Zara,
It's so easy to say! If you had had an addiction of any kind, you would not have said that. And I'm not talking about drugs necessarily, just coffee, sugar, tea, alcohol. Wise up!
In Reply to: Weird Phenomena posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 09:56:14:
You sound a bit like me a few weeks ago except for the opposite effect. If it weren't for that I would recommend energized water.
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena posted by reader on July 18, 2003 at 15:17:00:
reader, what would u know about that? i didnt say it lightly. i have had to give up all those same things i mentioned to him, ok? sugar, alcohol, caffeine, actually even more than that.
so u wise up! and next time get your facts right, before putting your foot in your mouth!
In Reply to: Weird Phenomena posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 09:56:14:
Hi, Warner.
As you can see from the response this is not so unusual as you might think. This is a great example of the individuality of humans!
All this means is that you will have a harder time figuring out what YOU need to function in this world. You have to be especially sensitive to the messages your bodymind sends.
Basic biophysiologic mechanisms still will work for you (or you would not still be breathing) but I do not think we understand the human bodymind well enough to predict what will work for someone so far out of the normal curve as you. This means that the wisdom of YOUR bodymind will have to be your guide. That also means that you have to keep trying since there is an infinite # of combinations out there and you can spend several lifetimes trying even a significant number of them.
You have come a long way. Remember that life is a journey with no end but death. Depending upon your beliefs, even that is only a beginning to the next reincarnation.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: actually, yes please posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 11:53:25:
Hi Warner,
"admittedly happygal, I am frustrated with the purchase of supplements. I have bought so much B and C and Mg and others through the years... "
Sounds exactly like what happened to me over the years! I even went to someone who was well versed in nutritional therapy, thinking perhaps I just didn't know enough and she would do better. Nope.
Boy am I surprised that supplements are actually now making a difference -- and a big one at that!!
"that said this sounds promising. My girlfriend is helping me go through all this material and she is one hell of alot smarter than I. I would love to see the research and hear more about your program and experiences. You have helped me in the past and I trust your advice. post here or else I included my email."
Let's do it on the BB so others can learn if they wish. You know, Warner, this is trial and error. What worked for me might not work for you (you may need different nutrients, etc.) -- so this is going to be a big experiment for you, as it was for me. Fortunately, it can be done fairly inexpensively.
I started by reading this book: "Putting It All Together: The New Orthomolecular Nutrition" by Abram Hoffer, MD. In this book he describes his process of learning how megadoses of vitamins could be helpful and how he started giving them. I found it very useful to read about his process and thinking. He also gave very specific advice about doing B3 megadoses which was very useful because it was so detailed.
Okay, so here's something I need to tell you. You will read in his book that he used B3 to heal (permanent cure!) schizophrenia. I had a clue that B3 might be helpful for me because one of my family members was schizophrenic. I am not schizophrenic myself, but I figured there might be a nutritional-genetic connection. And there was, evidenced by the fact that it helped me! So you might think about similar clues in your family so you might know what to try. Or you can just try B3 since our (your and my) symptoms sound so similar.
I'd feel comfortable if you would read this book first, since it gives a general overview, and then I can recommend another book that gives more specific details about particular nutrients. After you look at those two books, and figure out what you would like to try, then it would be time to go to the store.
BTW, I got all the books from the library.
What do you think so far?
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: actually, yes please posted by warnerkallus on July 18, 2003 at 11:53:25:
although never reacting to caffeine in any way, my health improved greatly after giving up coffee. have you considered that a solitary food ingredient may have imbalanced your endocrine-hormonal system all this time? PWFD or not, you might need to eliminate that one offending ingredient.
In Reply to: Re: Weird Phenomena (Archive in wellness.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 19, 2003 at 07:22:13:
dr. stoll,
wide words for a weary world. I thank you for your perpective and your faith. and your board.
WK
In Reply to: Re: actually, yes please posted by peterb on July 19, 2003 at 09:06:12:
thank you for your comment.
I have nto had a cup of cofee in years. I have been perfect for 1.5 years except i hav ehad, a handful of time iodinized salt which, I believe uses dextrose as a binder.
M.
In Reply to: Re: actually, yes please posted by Happygal on July 19, 2003 at 07:50:18:
ok,
I bought the book on line as noone had it and the library here is rather bleak. As I wait for it I will try to find those markers in my and my family history.
I will have plenty of questions, but i will do my research first. I hope you will continue to weigh in with advice and experiences.
ONe quic question. most of the litereature surrounding B-3 indicates that a primary signal of deficeincy is dry skin, rashes and other skin problems. I havent a thing to complain of there, though secondary symptoms, such as insomnia, migraines and digestive problems seem right on. DId you have skin problem to tip you off?
WK.
PS- you are an angel
In Reply to: Re: actually, yes please posted by warnerkallus on July 20, 2003 at 02:03:48:
Hi Warner,
No skin problems whatsoever.
Let me know your questions, and we'll just keep talking about this.
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: actually, yes please posted by Happygal on July 20, 2003 at 04:59:28:
thank you. I am in court today- on the relaxing side of the bench, but I have many questions...
first Q: should we begin a new thread or use this one?
WK.
In Reply to: new thread posted by warnerkallus on July 21, 2003 at 08:29:41:
Hi Warner,
I posted a message for you and Nutmeg yesterday since she is interested too. How about using that one?
Best wishes,
Happygal
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