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I know that alcohol doesn't fit into the wellness plan, but I've heard so many good things about red wine (a glass a day, etc.) Dr. Stoll, if you have time would you share your thoughts on this? Do you think it's more harmful than good?
Thank you very much.
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
Hi Drinker,
I have been eating a very healthy diet and exercising a lot but I always have a glass of my favorite Pinot Noir or Cabernet with dinner and see no problem with it. My BP is very low and my good cholesterol high and bad cholesterol low, I get no headaches or colds and have no problems with digestive system. Yhe key is moderation, sipping it slowly and enjoying every sip. Make it the best you can afford and savor it. Don't drink to get high reaching for any cheap wine you find. French people have been having wine with each meal and yet their heart attack rate is much lower than ours. I think that is because they drink it with meals and not to get drunk and they eat a balanced diet in spite of the cheeses and sauces, they are only a small part of their diet that also includes lots of veggies and fruits.
Luba
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
Starts my husbands asthma off for one.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 11:32:02:
Luba, you kind of contradicted yourself here. The French eat full butter, heavy cream, fatty meats, bacon, cheese galore and they have a lower incidence of heart disease and obesity? How can that be possible? All because of wine?
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Really? on October 29, 2003 at 12:07:02:
I didn't say it's because of wine, I said that wine didn't effect their health in the bad way and as for fatty foods, they don't eat them like Americans, they eat small quantity to enhance their diet, they don't make it a primary part of their diet. American breakfast of 3 fried eggs, 3 slices of bacon and hash browns fried in a lot of fat is not a standard European diet which is usually a roll or bread witha little cheese and fruit, you call that Continetal breakfast! Again, moderation and balance are the key and unfortunatelly a lot of people who eat a lot of fatty foods don't like fruits or veggies ( Atkins doet is right up their alley ).
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 12:15:39:
Atkins does include fruits and veggies and a lot of green, leafy veggies when you are on the lifetime maintenance stage. So, that blew your misinformation about Atkins right out of the water.
And today, the standard american breakfast is not what you depicted. No, in fact the standard american breakfast is muffins with coffee, egg mcmuffins, hash browns, cinnamon rolls, pancakes, syrup...all things disallowed on Atkins.
I think you have a problem with determining good fats from bad fats. Hash browns are loaded with transfats. Natural saturated fats that have not been separated from the food are not the evils that were portrayed in the 80's. In fact, it was the increased consumption of polyunsaturated, unstable fats and the hydrogenated fats in the 80's and 90's that have contributed to the heart disease and arterial sclerosis of today. Also, the low-fat, no-fat craze led to a high sugar, high calorie, extremely high carbohydrate diet that has increased childhood type II diabetes to alarming levels today.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Really? on October 29, 2003 at 12:26:09:
You just said yourself in later stages, the first stage can do enough damage. I know nutrition well enough and I know good fats from bad ones that is why I wouldn't get cought eating bacon, hot dogs or marbled steaks but I will eat a lot of avocados, olive oul on my salads, grape seed oil for my cooking and lots of nuts and seeds as well as fatty fish like salmon and whole grains which also contain good fats, the lean meat and chicken I eat also have some fat ust not an overload. I also don't stay away from dairy which doesn't bother me as I have no food allergies or reaction and digest everything well. You would have to pay me big bucks to put my body into ketoses for the sake of loosing weight, I would rather do it by a heavy aerobic exercise and if you see something wrong with it, than I guess you have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine.
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 11:32:02:
I'd say it's more of the general lifestyle of the French. THey recently voted a 32 hour workweek. Enough said. Those guys know how to enjoy life. Of course incidence of heart attack is gonna be lower there.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Martin on October 29, 2003 at 13:45:44:
You are absolutely right :-) It's not only good food and wine, it's zest for life, enjoyment of anything that improves quality of life, music, art, literature, nature and good friends, it's living for today and loving every minute of it.
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 12:40:11:
The first stage only lasts 2 weeks and does not do damage.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 12:40:11:
We all go into ketosis at some point during the day. There is a big difference between dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis. Dietary ketosis is a normal part of fat burning and the atkins way of eating simply jumps starts your metabolism using this as a primary means of burning the fat off of your body for a temporary period of time. Then you transition into eating the correct carbs in the correct amount for your body, activity level and metabolism.
It is not dangerous or harmful, it is healthy. You do not have to eat bacon and fat. You can choose to get your protein from fish and chicken. This diet is extremely versatile and healthy. It teaches you to get off of nutritionless, harmful foods.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Difference on October 29, 2003 at 15:14:39:
I know the difference between the 2 types of ketosis, I have been living with type 1 diabetic husband for over 20 year. However, I don't choose to be loosing weight by eating unbalanced diet of protein and fat. I do eat a lot of fish and chicken along with complex carbs and feel great and have no problem with weight especailly that I work out a lot at the gym. Atkins might be good for those who don't want to exercise and want a quick fix but it's not my cup of tea.
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Really? on October 29, 2003 at 15:04:10:
It can effect kidneys and lean body mass, also it doesn't teach the right eating pattern for life..
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 16:04:35:
It is only for 2 weeks. Do you feel you know more than Dr Atkins?
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Wondering on October 29, 2003 at 16:50:58:
Dr. Atkins is ( was ) there to make the money and besides, I just expressed my own opinion and said that I wouldn't use it, I do have that right. Autor of every fad diet will try to convince you that his diet is the only one but you can have your own opinion about it and don't have to follow it blindely. If somebody wants to follow it it, it is their right too.
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 16:04:35:
It does NOT affect the kidneys! Gosh, you are so misinfomred it's not funny. GEEZ!
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 16:03:22:
Then you're doing Atkins if you are eating protein and complex carbs in balance.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 29, 2003 at 16:04:35:
A quote from the Protein thread you are involved in:
In Reply to: Protein posted by Andy on October 29, 2003 at 15:31:48:
Benefits:
Increased muscle growth
Increased strength
and all the other side effects that go along with the two above
Side effects:
Excess protein (and I mean a LOT) can cause your urine and sweat to smell.
If you have bad kidneys already, excess protein can speed the degeneration of the kidneys.
If you have healthy kidneys, there is NO evidence - and this has been studied MANY TIMES - that excess protein will cause any kidney damage
Side effects of NOT getting adequate protein while exercising:
Muscle wasting
Lack of progress or even going backwards
Exhaustion
and other, related symptoms that resemble over-training but are really a result of under-eating.
You really look ignorant spouting off about Atkins when you don't even know what it is. You do NOT know the difference between dietary ketosis and diabetis ketoACIDosis. That's obvious by what you have been posting. I am not knocking your way of dieting, if it works for you fine. I never said anything about you doing something wrong with your diet and exercise routine. What I am disputing is you knocking Atkins all the time when you don't know anything about it except spouting off misinformation.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Really? on October 29, 2003 at 17:33:45:
I am not, I eat about 20% of my diet in protein, 30% in fats and 40% in complex carbs ( 180-200 grams ), I don't think Atkins allows so many carbs.
Luba
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
nmi
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
Hi Drinker:
Alcohol, in moderation, fits into my wellness plan. I prefer red wine at dinner, but not every night. I don't see Europeans dropping like flies from drinking wine. Do you?
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by PhillyLady on October 29, 2003 at 18:44:50:
Ditto!!!
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
Some can tolerate wine better than others.
I think its comes down to your health in general.
I know for those with Candida, alcohol is best avoided, especially wines.
I tend to compare wine with chocolate. YOu hear good things about chocolate; the antioxidant content, but then there is the negative to chocolate too, such as oxalic acid.
Lucky for me, I never was one who enjoyed wine or alcohol much. So it hasn't been difficult for me to give up alcohol altogether. It's been more than a year that any alcohol has passed these lips, and I NEVER get cravings for alcohol or wine. Can't say the same about chocolate though! But those cravings are all gone now that I have been following the wholefoods/anti candida diet.
The only alchol I use to really enjoy were Tia Maria's with cream . They were very rich, smooth and creamy going down. Yum!
White wine was my preference when I use to enjoy a glass or two :) of wine.
In Reply to: Whoa! What did I start here?! Sorry! nmi posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 18:30:42:
Nothing, but there's always someone who wants to argue. Poor Luba is sure getting picked on. Luba never knocked anything, just stated an opinion. Some people get mad if you think a little differently than them. Luba, at least , was not called a moron which makes me kinda doubt it was "you know who".
I'm behind you Luba, you sound like a very nice person, very gracious even when you were being accused of being ignorant. Thumbs up to you!
In Reply to: Re: Whoa! What did I start here?! Sorry! nmi posted by referee on October 29, 2003 at 21:51:41:
Thank you so much, referee!!! It's nice to have someone in our corner :-). You sound like a very nice person yourself!
Have a good night!
Luba
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
grape juice is said to be as good.
I know a few people who drank wine and some made their own
and they didn't live that long. My grandgather who lived
to be 104 before a hospital killed him drank wine but NOT
all the time. It was obvious since he kept a gallon jug of
red wine next to his chair in an all white kitchen and it
was noticable but there would be periods when there was one
there and periods when there wasn't but like Everything
else he probably drank it when he wanted it and Didn't
when he didn't instead of drinking it to Try to be healthy
since he seemed to not think or worry about that. He used
to complain that his wife and friends had died a long time
ago and he knew and was frindly with a LOT of people.
In Reply to: Red Wine posted by Drinker on October 29, 2003 at 11:22:42:
Hi,Drinker.
My guess is that one glass of wine a day IS a part of wellness, once the refined carbohydrate addiction has been dealt with.
The problem is with the genetically susceptible individual who cannot stop with one glass of wine. Remember that the research seems to indicate that, for everyone, the benefits begin to disappear once the glass gets larger than 8 ounces.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Vince F on October 30, 2003 at 06:27:05:
Red grape juice affects me & my childrens blood sugar.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Mary on October 30, 2003 at 09:51:41:
That's because uice has a lot of sugar which is fermented in wine so it's a totally different subject.
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 30, 2003 at 12:35:33:
Why does Red Wine cause so many problems in people? Asthma, Headaches etc
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Mary on October 30, 2003 at 14:48:31:
It is the same as any other allergies, people are allegic to different things, strawberries, peanuts, what and many other foods that are considered healthy and wine is no exception. Some people react to the compunds in it, others to sulfites added as a presevative that allows the wine to age. Most people however ar not effected. I drink a glass of red wine with most dinners and never have any reactions so it's very individual. I guess those who are sensitive, just have to avoid it as they would any other food that gives them problems. What is good for one person is not always good for another. Compunds in grape uice change as it goes through the process of fermenation and the finished product is very different that the juice itself so people who can drink the uice with no problem, might react to the wine made from the same juice.
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 30, 2003 at 15:01:04:
Thankyou Luba.
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 30, 2003 at 15:01:04:
You are welcome Mary! Excuse my keyboard, it looks like some letters stick, especially J, oops :-)
Luba
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Luba on October 30, 2003 at 15:27:52:
I did wonder, thought maybe you had had too much... lol
In Reply to: Re: Red Wine posted by Mary on October 30, 2003 at 15:29:12:
Hi Mary! I never have too much. Just one glass to enhance my dinner and savor the buquet :-).
Luba
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