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I've had TMJ, Costo, POTS, and get Palpatation.
TMJ, Costo, and POTS have all gotten better with SR, excercise, and improved diet.
I actually more aware of my palpations since starting SR... they don't feel like abnormal heartbeats (racing or pounding like I had a few times before starting SR) though... I just seem aware of all my heartbeats whenever I lie down.
But to the important issue as I'm not really concerned about the above as I'm sure they will improve with wellness.
I experience what I'm going to describe as a quick burst of shortness of breath... It feel for an instant like I don't have enough air... but the next instant I feel fine. This experience really is to short for me to determine whether I am actually feeling a kind of shortness of breath). I have 3 theories of what it could be.
The result of a PVC in which for one heartbeat my body doesn't get enough oxygen (or release enough CO2) (I sometimes notice a couple palpitations after this exprerience).
The result of bracing cutting a breath short, (as I feel a quick dull pain in an area of my chest, which I feel more pain if I rub the area... like a sore muscle).
Possibly bracing also cause my automated coughing not as responsive... as I often cough up flem if I try to cough after experience this.
Again if it any of the above 3 causing these bursts I'm not concerned... it will probably also go away with continued wellness. But If you've seen these symptoms like this before that might be more serious... please advice me on what I should do to eliminate those possibilities. I have had numerous EKG, an echocardiogram, and a treadmill test. EKG showed some sinus arrythmia, and voltage criteria for LVH. The echo apparently had some irregular septum motion which they attributed to a conduction abnormality, I haven't actually received the formal result of my treadmill test... but the technician that did the test said she didn't see any irregularities.
In Reply to: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 04, 2004 at 02:21:57:
Hi Diven,
What happens immediately before the shortness of breath episodes? What are you thinking or doing? What have you eaten? Etc.
Are you saying that you do feel an ache or sore muscle when this happens? If so that sounds like an important clue.
Best wishes,
Jan DeCourtney, CMT
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Happygal [11.384] on February 04, 2004 at 05:53:48:
I can't really link it too anything that happens right before. The only thing that I have noticed sometimes is that I'm not sitting in proper posture... It usually happens sitting down... but occasionally happens when I'm standing up or laying down. And I do feel a muscle ache and soreness after... that is why I believe that is most likely theory about bracing causing my intercostal muscle to spasm and cut on breath short. Also I've sometimes notice that they come in 2 or 3 bursts sometimes... but the following burst usually aren't as bad as the first. It usually happens once or twice a day... although sometimes not at all, and other times maybe a bit more.
I think Rolfing or deep tissue massage would be good for me but I'm a university student with like no money (luckily health care is free in Canada), and I'm not sure if Rolfing or massages would be covered by the 70% or 80% physio therapy on my parents extended health.
I suppose I can mention it to my doctor next time I see him... although I'm using the university health services doctors whom I'm not sure if I'm fully confident in. I'm also a young fit looking guys who doesn't smoke and doesn't drink, and they seem to take a it doesn't sound like a serious problem, but if your symptoms get worse...
Thanks,
<>< Eric
In Reply to: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 04, 2004 at 02:21:57:
Hi, Eric
I have had a similar experience, i.e. shortness of breath with a feeling of my heart skipping a beat. My doctor also ordered a stress test, which turned out normal, and I was told that it was due to anxiety. This was at least 5 years ago. I'm almost postitive that my episode happened when I decided to stop taking valium to help me sleep. I had taken it each night for years, and then when I went to a new doctor, he told me that I shouldn't be taking it because it was addictive. I stopped "cold turkey", and that's when the episodes of shortness of breath, noticing my heartbeats, began. But when I called the doctor, he said it could be my heart (I found out later that he always over-reacted to anything a patient said; and the cardiologist who gave the test said that it was obviously anxiety.) do you think that perhaps this is what is causing your episodes of shortness of breath (anxiety which becomes worse when you dwell on it?) Could you be swallowing air and not realizing it? I am not a professional and am only stating my experience, but I thought you would be interested. If your stress test turned out to be normal, then you can rule out heart problems as being the cause, I would think, wouldn't you?
Good luck!
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 04, 2004 at 12:49:14:
Hi Diven (Eric),
Well if you can't afford massage or Rolfing, you might try some self-massage and some stretching.
Find a good book about stretching and learn stretches for the spine and trunk. Also try doing some deep breathing (and then briefly holding your breath) and try to stretch the muscles between the ribs that way. Do stretches to open up the shoulders. Here's one book I recommend: Specific Stretching for Everyone by Aaron Mattes available at the link below.
You can also do self-massage (get a book at the library) all over your trunk and shoulders. Also curl the fingers up under the rib cage to massage the diaphragm.
Keep doing your SR. When the muscles around my trunk and ribs finally released from doing this, I felt like I came out of a straitjacket.
Let us know how this goes for you.
Best wishes,
Jan DeCourtney, CMT
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Marion [1238.376] on February 04, 2004 at 13:18:20:
Thanks for reponse Marion
I do believe it's stress/anxiety related... (although I haven't had any excessively stressful incidence, I probably had a number of small stressors over a period of time) I guess I'm more interested in what the mechanics behind the anxiety causing episode, so that I can figure out how to address it. I also want to make sure that there isn't something more seriously wrong that wouldn't have been picked up by the test I had done.
Don't worry I'm pretty satisfied now that it is most likely intercostal muscle bracing, and streching/self-massage/ and SR will continue to help.
By the way I've never taken valium, and don't intend to start. Personally, I would recomend you got off it too if you are still on it... just not cold turkey. Get advice on how to step of it from an experienced professional.
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Happygal [11.384] on February 04, 2004 at 13:44:53:
Thanks Happygal,
I'll try that out I'm sure it will help.
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 04, 2004 at 17:02:26:
Hi -
As I said in my post, I believe that the reason I had the heart palpitations and shortness of breath was that I WAS experiencing withdrawal symptoms from the valium which I DID quit 'cold turkey'. I wouldn't advise anyone to ever take a benzodiazapene drug daily - no matter what the dosage. I was only taking 5 mg. each night, which, of course, stopped working but I didn't even realize it.
But, that amount when taken daily leads to addiction.
I told you about my experience to try to let you know that possibly your problem was anxiety (withdrawing from the valium caused anxiety and thus the palpatations, etc. for me). I was fine after about 5 days; however, what really made the difference was hearing the cardiologist tell my MD that I had no heart problems and passed the stress test with no problem. Just thought that your learning that you passed the test, which is very difficult if not impossible, to do if you have heart problems, would make you feel better and more relaxed. Best wishes.
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Marion [1238.376] on February 04, 2004 at 17:14:27:
Marion,
Sorry, if I may have offended you, I wasn't sure from your post if you were suggesting that I also might be experience anxiety due to withdrawel from a drug. Which I was merely explaining that I wasn't. I personally don't like taking any drugs including even tylenol or advil. I also wasn't sure from what you said if you had decided to return to using valium after it gave you episodes, or whether you stayed off, or gradually started stepping of later. Not knowing your history I suggested that if you were still taking valium you might still be able to get off it... clearly you have, and I congratulate you for staying off it dispite the withdrawal causing you anxiety. I also not criticizing people who do deside to take drugs for there problems, I would probably take them if I was confident it would fully cure me, although I think there is a better way in most cases.
Thanks for sharing Marion, I'm pretty confident that the problem is not with my heart... I just feel more comfortable I guess when I can explain exactly what's causing my symptoms.
In Reply to: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 04, 2004 at 02:21:57:
wondering if Pulminary Hypertension could be involved ?
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Vince F [51.37] on February 04, 2004 at 23:34:35:
Wouldn't this show up on an echocardiogram? Otherwise how is it diagnosed. I also think I've seen it mentioned on the board before and thing it's most likely cause by the stress effect storage. So continued SR should help. If you have any other recomendations please let me know. I guess I should bring this up with my doctor, I really just don't want to have another test ordered that's more than likly going to come back negative.
In Reply to: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 04, 2004 at 02:21:57:
Thanks, Diven.
Increased awareness is almost universally noted when you are actually reversing the causes of a chronic syndrome.
Patience and perseverence and "This, too, shall pass."
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users)TESTIMONIAL posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 05, 2004 at 07:46:55:
Thanks Walt,
This is pretty much what I was expecting it was. Also I can reproduce this experience by massaging a specific just under my third rib under my armpit. I think it actally part of the pectoral muscle. The experience I am having might actually be a dull neuralgic pain that feel somewhat similar to the reaction of feeling short of breath. When I said it lasted for an instant I meant an instant not 1min not 30 sec, not 10 second, one instant probably even less than a second.
I've also noticed pain in my ribs after excercise (playing sports actually. Man, I'm whinning and I can still play sports) (this pain definately with out question muscle pain), I'm assuming this is also increased awareness of the bracing as the excercise is loosening my muscles to the point where I can start to feel the pain. (I do warm up, strech before, warm down and strech afterwards too).
In Reply to: Re: Quick Shortness of Breath (Dr. Stoll or Experienced Board Users) posted by Diven [1546.10] on February 05, 2004 at 00:29:13:
I don't remember the details but it was something I came
across when trying to explain my constant shortness of
breath Except at some times. My lungs had been burned and I
am weaker than I used to be so would think that would
explain it but NOT the rare times when I can breathe well
and deeply without the usual limits.
i had NO luck with Drs. They had No or unproven ideas about
my problems while I could find many but had to fight to get
them to test for things that were obvious to me but they
didn't always give in.
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