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Hi Dr. Stoll, and anyone else,
I've been wanting to ask you this for a long time. I know that you (and many other board regulars, myself included) believe that the body, mind, and spirit are all one. I was wondering if you believe, as many healers and spiritual teachers do, that all dis-ease and health problems ultimately have a spiritual cause. If that's the case, then it would follow that if the spiritual ailment is repaired, then the body will heal itself.
What happens if the physical condition is actually cured by medical treatment, either alternative or conventional, or both? Does that spiritual problem manifest again as a recurrence or a different dis-ease?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on February 07, 2004 at 23:29:59:
Hello Whole.
I asked this very question some time ago, and attempted to answer it also.
There is no one answer which satisfies completely. While I believe that all problems are ultimately spiritual in nature, it is the unraveling
of what constitutes "spiritual" that makes this difficult. Most people will not take on their spiritual problems. Since that is mostly what incarnation
is about, a way to make people want to take on their spiritual problems had to be devised. That way is to make all problmes spiritual
in nature. Thus physical, emotional and mental problems are all spiritual problems. Just different facets. You deal with a different facet of energy,
but it is energy just the same. Anyway I asked and here is the response I got.
In Reply to: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on February 07, 2004 at 23:29:59:
what kind of spiritual ailment can there be, conflict
between what you believe and what you were taught ?
In Reply to: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on February 07, 2004 at 23:29:59:
Thanks, Nutmeg.
There is a lot of truth to this. However, there is only one 100% fatal condition and that is BIRTH.
The bodymind is the temple of the soul and is the only thing we have to create works in this sensory reality. The higher quality we can keep the machine the more quality expression the soul can have.
The derivation of the word health is wholeness and holy.
Does this help open up the discussion?
Walt
In Reply to: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on February 07, 2004 at 23:29:59:
"THE PHYSICAL BODY" - Symptoms or diseases as the medical establishment calls them, are due to an "Intestinal Imbalance" (fungus/parasites/leaky gut) with your energy flow/life force (Chi Blockage) being a contributing factor! The cause of the "Imbalance" can be many things including an unhealthy diet, your use of antibiotic and steroid drugs, etc. The cause of your "Decreased/Blocked Chi Flow" includeds stress, trauma, emotional problems, etc.
"THE MIND" - Your "Mind" controls your physical body, therefore, if you are constently sending "Negative" thoughts to your body and allowing "Fear" to control your life, then regaining your health will be impossible!
"YOUR SPIRIT" - It's been proven, that those who are "Enlightened" to the fact that there is a "Higher Power" and that that higher power can be "Tapped Into" and used to "Calm" their mind (find spiritual peace)and "Heal" their physical body (reduce stress). All things are possible to those that believe!
In Reply to: Re: What is the real cause of illness? (Archive in wellness.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on February 08, 2004 at 08:09:02:
Walt,
You end a lot of your posts with...tell us what you
have learned. So now I ask you the same. With your recent
illness would you say there is some new learning you acquired...even with your years of awareness.
Be well...Paul
In Reply to: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on February 07, 2004 at 23:29:59:
Hi Nutmeg,
Interesting question. I suppose that the development of a person's soul is something humans will never fully understand, since the intelligence that runs this universe seems to be so much deeper than what we can know.
One way of looking at your question is if everything (body, mind, spirit) is connected, whatever affects one aspect will affect the other. There is a branch of Chinese medicine that subscribes to this -- they believe that changes in the physical body affect a person's destiny. If this is the case, if true health improvement happens on one realm, it would affect the other parts of a person as well. I wonder, perhaps if a health problem doesn't come back, this might mean it reflects an evolutionary change in the person's spirit. But maybe not. Who knows? As far as I can figure out, all we can do is try to heal ourselves as best we can.
I knew a man who had a huge lump on his forehead. He had it surgically removed. To his dismay, it grew back exactly the same. Maybe he wasn't spiritually ready to be healed?
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Vince F [51.37] on February 08, 2004 at 03:55:36:
Your comment is simple yet brilliant, Vince. This is
what I like about reading so many of your posts. It
brings me back to basics and makes me realize that so
much damage is done by thinking something to
"death," one of my many shortcomings. It isn't that I am
not aware of what you are saying. i am. But like many
others, I can get lost in thought rather than in the peace
(inner simple truths) that gets buried with all of the
constant "input," and overload. Thanks.
dd
In Reply to: Re: What is the real cause of illness? posted by dd [1255.26] on February 08, 2004 at 15:39:47:
gee Thanks... We all have our strengths and spiritual
things may Not be mine though I may go deeper in some area
but that is to find the Simple truth, for me at least.
I had some problems breaking away from eternal damnation
beliefs when my feelings or findings didn't jive with what
was tried to convince me of. I would look for places to
take cover from the lightening bolts. I guess finding
something that made more sense to me and wasn't rejecting
that something does or make it all work Though my idea isn't
the traditional, man based religions, I think that liberated
me. People who Try to convince me to Their beliefs say, I
believe in Vince's Religion. I thought for a few seconds
and said, Perfect !! Maybe everyone should have their own.
I was Always into Custom things that fit me like a glove
and maybe that is why I got to where I am in beliefs. It
took some doing but I sifted through all the Faith ideas
which didn't work for me. Especially when I didn't believe
the people telling me things or what they were selling.
I Try Not to convince people that my way is right since it
may not be right for them and like I shy way from thinking
or saying that a god Created things since I feel that man
can only imagine creating the way WE are able and I Don't
know how we could create life or the universe and think
we even may not have the words for the feat so shy away
from the words and Try to imagine how matter and energy
can come together and form what is since That seems more
the way it is than a god taking 100lbs of clay and Making
man. That sounds like a sculptor throwing clay.
Was that simple ?? ))
In Reply to: Re: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Vince F [51.37] on February 09, 2004 at 00:23:07:
In a word, yes. :-) I like it!!!
dd
In Reply to: Re: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Gregory [5.796] on February 08, 2004 at 00:38:48:
Hi Gregory,
Thanks for that link. Interesting that you brought up Mitchell May's story. I recently started taking some Synergy products, so I'd heard a little about him.
It makes sense to me to consider physical, emotional, and mental problems all as different expressions of spiritual problems. Energy is energy and since it can't be created or destroyed, we can just move it around and apply/expend it in different ways. The manifestation of a spiritual issue would be different for each individual, depending on what would be most likely to influence or spur them to action.
There is also that tendency for anything we ignore to keep coming back at us stronger or by a different route until we get the message. If we miss it completely and leave our body with that lesson still unlearned, we can always come back and try again.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: What is the real cause of illness? posted by Vince F [51.37] on February 08, 2004 at 03:55:36:
Hi Vince,
That's one great example of the kind of problem I was talking about, but this could also have a physical manifestation. For example, a teenager experiencing heartburn and anxiety because his parents are hassling him about questioning his religious beliefs, forcing him to go to church, and forbidding him from reading anything about religion except what he gets from the church's religious leaders.
I was thinking of spirituality in a more non-religious sense. Thinking of humans as spiritual beings who come to Earth to have certain experiences, interact with certain other spiritual beings in physical form, and to learn certain lessons so their soul can progress. You could really consider any emotional, physical, mental, and other life difficulties or problems as different manifestations of spiritual issues that serve as a message. The message is that there is something to be learned in a broader sense, such as compassion for others, patience, how it feels to be discriminated against, developing a sense of self-worth, negative energy and thoughts attracting negative people and events into your life, from having that experience in your lifetime.
Hope that makes some sense!
Nutmeg
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