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Holly asked a question ..why do people write here for years.
Dr. Stoll has come here to educate us.
It is a library of sorts to helps Educate and there is endless information here just like a physical library.
So he is the main-man. Top CEO...big cheese.Brilliant.
I am a college graduate and watercolor artist and in art there is a statement "variety in route" which means every good piece of finished professional work has variety of color, texture, size, shape.
So here there comes a variety (how am I doing Walt? Ha)
of people with varying degrees of issues needing to be solved.
He knows who is the sickest or most challenged. who came with the most damage needing to be reversed.
He is the most educated person on this BB and the only one to address if you are in serious danger.
I my case I came needing answers because the medical doctors gave me powerful medications that nearly killed me with side effects and a ravaging illness of OA which came from being a jock and RA which twisted my hands and feet instantly.I prayed "God put into my life someone with the answer."...He did...Dr. Stoll was made for this BB ..he cares, loves and is available in 2006..get real...who does that today?
I got the new book. It is packed with information, loaded with stuff...
I am just one small person but I do have a high IQ did brilliantly in college but this..........oh my if you are challenged with a disease trying to destroy your life you better know what to do and apply it as fast as you can.
My words are just an attempt to answer Holly and this new topic about how much do you do daily?
How in the world could we ever know as much or more than Dr. Stoll or understand ..I mean I get up at 4:30 am to take notes from a DO in Dallas I am so certain to get better every day...and the other day he made a point about OA and I have always knows that by pounding me knees in sports all my life something had to happen then RA is what my DAd had and died from..but then he mentioned the central nervous system..as the place where pain meds go...and I got so excited..
I love learning.I have a powerful testimony of problems eliminated since soming here in 1999...
So Joe Hackett, and the elimination guy, hacres and so many taught me years ago because we all have our own story but we come here as a variety of people some sick some not...hopefully we are kind and always finding the information here helpful (I feel silly even trying to help someone) because we are all so limited arent we?
So thanks to Walt ..
And to Jan his side kick and all who wrote the book and the few here who are their equals in brilliance...
thanks.
We have to stay on top of our health, bodies, mind and spirits............
I have to stop it is 5 am....ha
lovebird
In Reply to: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lovebird [6.2740] on June 25, 2006 at 03:57:20:
Hi lovebird,
Thanks for making this new post. I’m not here all the time, and I read
selectively. I checked back to the origin of your post to see what you
referenced, and got that oldies but goodies, déjà vu feeling reading it.
I first came to the board in 1997. In the years since, there have been
many posts questioning process and motivations of the board and
posters that often degenerate into personal issues. Typical…
predictable. Sorry if I’m sounding pompous, it’s just such old news.
Walt’s creation is every bit as complicated and simplicity-defying as
life, and anyway, it seems the whole subject usually expresses an
implied dissatisfaction with the behavior of others on the board, so
the threads are poisoned from the beginning.
I posted something about the diverse and sometimes goofy nature of
the board awhile ago, with little response, and I’d like to add to it. It
seems to me (and let me add my disclaimer; that I am not being
derogatory) that the board shares many characteristics with an AA
meeting. This also makes sense since food and life-style take on
addictive qualities for many of us…and I am most certainly including
myself.
Anyway, if you haven’t attended any of these meetings, I encourage
you to try it. I was required to attend as part of a class but probably
would have benefited by taking myself there to deal with my own
addictions. These meetings are an amazing reality, and if it wasn’t
for the smoke, I would have gone to a few more. But like the board,
the process is so complicated and diverse, it is pointless to try to
make it fit an idea, or to judge the activity.
People come, people go, people hang on. For some, it is a source of
strength, for some it is a life-line, a life preserver…for some, a
water-weenie to splash and play. So many stories. So what!?
Jim
Anyway, lovebird, I repost the following:
* * * * * * * *
When we type, our plastic keyboard “pallets” channel the shades and
pigments of our imagination. Our lettered keys play chords of silent
symphony, a soundless concert of words, in decibels of soul. Our
chisel fingers shape print sculptures of inner courtyards. Like it or
not, we are artists all when we post.
We hang our “paintings”, play our “tunes”, and display our “statues”
here and elsewhere in the great e-gallery. Our unintended, revealing
art so often betrays our formal stated intentions. People see what
they see.
What we have here (on the board) is a town hall nutty-putty, finger
painting, spray-confetti, kazoo rhythm band; a graffiti face-painting,
sidewalk art theater of the absurd, and an outdoor café food fight; a
flea market hootenanny, performance art pillow fight; a dysfunctional
family reality show, and pie in the face AA meeting…and a charade
line-dance, follow the leader, snipe hunt, and…
…and a heart warming, soul-healing, oasis of self-help; sharing hope
and sanctuary.
Here we are at the cusp of opposites again. It’s not either/or.
Transcend.
In Reply to: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lovebird [6.2740] on June 25, 2006 at 03:57:20:
I have to disagree. We can not expect to tell people to come to a non professional chat board to get medical advice or to seek Walt Stolls opinion of if someone is in danger. They are not clients of his or anyone's "here" for the most part and should not go through that.
It's also not fact to say that any "one" person is the most educated ...no one knows that actually for a fact. There may be a few doctors, or scientists or LLMs and Phd's floating around here. We don't know that.
Remember that unless something is taken with fact, it is just opinion - which goes for anything almost stated in alt health - be it if I or you believe in it or not.
Most people who contribute to the board are ill people looking for answers themselves; many times the blind leading the blind (myself inclusive) - and just a group of people at the virtual water cooler trying to help each other.
I firmly feel that the board is less to educate but a very smart marketing tool; think of it - most people who buy any of the promoted books have first visited the chat board...
Don't get my words wrong; I enjoy it "here" - I just feel that Holly asked a very perceptive question and instead of many people being up front, many people get defensive or suddenly had to bring a part of themselves to the surface that they didn't want to see or still do not want to see.
Personally - I often look to healthy folks and look at what they are doing rather than sick folks who have overcome or are overcoming. That's how I realized a lot of my own issues at least. But to each his own.
In Reply to: I disagree posted by Michele [15.829] on June 25, 2006 at 10:32:10:
Hi Michelle, I agree with some of what you say: certainly no one on this board can take responsibility for someone else's medical safety.
BUT - "A very smart marketing tool"!?! That really took me aback. Although there would be nothing wrong with that motivation being part of what Walt and Jan were about when they decided to write a book together, I don't believe it was for one instant. I hope they do end up earning quite a bit from the book, they've sure put a lot of work in to it, not to mention the consistent effort that has gone into the board for years: from Walt of course, Bill who makes it work (and Jan too). Rib
In Reply to: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lovebird [6.2740] on June 25, 2006 at 03:57:20:
I wonder if Walt can live longer with his healthy living than 2 women here in my home town, 1 made it to 106 the other is 102 1/2 and still alive, both of them dipped snuff. Needless to say, they both have lived when times were much harder than today and of course they were able to breathe fresher air, drink water that was purer and eat food they grew themselves.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Charles [514.74] on June 25, 2006 at 17:23:05:
are they still "dipping" Charles?? :-)
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Rib [5515.2732] on June 25, 2006 at 13:35:19:
I agree with all that you say in your second paragraph. I can't believe that this board is being used as a marketing tool. For what? Two books?!!! You want to see a true marketer, try Mercola. He's selling everything.
Walt's two books are so helpful to those who read them. I'm sure he is not making a huge fortune from the sales. And what about the cost of running the board? It's totally free for all of us!!!
It outrageous to make such claims!!!!!!!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Jayne S. [819.1399] on June 25, 2006 at 18:12:10:
I sort of doubt the 1 who was 106 when she died is, but the other 1 is. I heard a man say her family sure did live a long time and I heard her son say it was probably because they ate tobacco, as in kept it in their mouth all the time. He didn't know that I had written a book about tobacco and I say in it that I believe that the longevity of the people in my family is due to them using smokeless tobacco. I had a greatgrandmother who was born in 1858 live to be 100 and 3 other family members who lived past 90, all of them dipped snuff. Somewhere around 80% of my family who lived to be past 80 dipped snuff or chewed tobacco, starting with people born in the late 1830s and none of my people have had mouth cancer.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Charles [514.74] on June 25, 2006 at 19:21:46:
you doubt the one who died is still dipping? ha
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 25, 2006 at 20:36:14:
The dude thinks they live a long time because they eat tobacco? Sure and my family probably lives a long time because we smoke dope (i don't anymore but anyway) and cigarettes.
how do their teeth look btw?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Jim H. [1652.2562] on June 25, 2006 at 07:48:22:
Hi Jim,
I think the 12-step program is amazing. Not so sure about the meetings though.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 25, 2006 at 20:45:27:
Considering that most of my folks that I am talking about were born between 1838 and 1910 or so, most or all of them had dentures by the time they died.
Do you know of anyone who lived to be 90 or beyond who had their natural teeth?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Charles [514.74] on June 25, 2006 at 22:04:33:
nope. and I've known people in their 20s and 30s who lost their teeth to tobacco.
In Reply to: I disagree posted by Michele [15.829] on June 25, 2006 at 10:32:10:
Hi Michele:
"....I firmly feel that the board is less to educate but a very smart marketing tool".
Do you really, truly believe this? How can this be? Say it ain't so! If you carefully peruse the site, you will see lots of advice, and valuable information, all given to the reader FREE OF CHARGE. You don't even need to register your name or give your email address to access this information.
But speaking of marketing tool, I have noticed in the past several people using Dr. Stoll's website to promote themselves and their businesses, or even their own website. If anything, THEY are the ones using this board as a marketing tool.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 25, 2006 at 20:36:14:
They may have put a couple of cases in her coffin just in case she was just taking a nap.
Lissa if you ever saw a list of the chemicals in tobacco and their biological activities you might begin to think this stuff can make you healthier and live longer.
Do you know anyone who uses smokeless tobacco that is a diabetic? The reason I ask this is because there are 5 or 6 chemicals that are anti-diabetic in tobacco, 1 which is insulin-sparing.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Charles [514.74] on June 25, 2006 at 22:22:29:
There is also 1 chemical that is insulinogenic
In Reply to: I disagree posted by Michele [15.829] on June 25, 2006 at 10:32:10:
Hi Michele,
The site does market books, but I have a different take (feeling) than
you, perhaps because I have been around so long, and because I have
had some personal communication off the board with both Walt and
Jan. Those two are all about educating, about sharing their wealth of
first-hand experience...at a pittance of its worth.
Well, yes, they do "market" a book, but "a very smart marketing tool"?
That makes me chuckle. A "very smart marketing" would be getting
on Oprah, or setting up a massive site like Mercola (where there is no
daily give and take with the MAN), or making frivolous claims of, not
only health, but great sex and wealth, for buying the books.
But, as you say, it's your feeling, and I rather admire something in
your extraverted ways; your willingness to attract the slings and
arrows with your sometimes impetuous, even outrageous comments.
I think the Buddhists would call it the Path of Brashness. :)
Jim
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 25, 2006 at 20:48:36:
Yeah, me too, lissa. I've heard they vary widely, depending on the
participants. And I hear they are great for some.
But, and this may sound condescending, they are a wondrous place
for a student of human behavior, and that's why I say, if you have the
chance to visit one, do it.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by PhillyLady [1646.1599] on June 25, 2006 at 22:20:33:
I think of it as a marketing tool for his health coaching services. The idea of giving free samples is a good concept, but the brief replies and sending people to confusing archives is sometimes a poor execution of an otherwise good marketing idea. I think the lively discussions and help from other people might help newbies stick around long enough to come to appreciate Dr Stoll and consider his books or services.
Marketing isn't a bad word-the internet is a wonderful opportunity for the majority of people with good ideas whom the mainstream doesn't choose to promote-it's a shot in the arm for pure capitalism, rather than the corrupted version we see at large.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 25, 2006 at 22:06:12:
I think that is bs. You may know someone in their 20s or 30s who have lost their teeth but there would be more things involved than just using tobacco.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 26, 2006 at 07:09:42:
Hi Ann,
Dr Stoll hasn't done any health coaching in at least the past two years.
The site definitely serves as a marketing tool for the books, but if that was its primary purpose, we are definitely wasting our time and money. He sold roughly 10,000 of the first book in 10 years with a profit of less than $1.00 per book on average. Not exactly retirement income, especially given the time he invests in the site.
I know it's difficult to comprehend, but the site is not about making money. It's a labor of love for him.
Bill
In Reply to: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lovebird [6.2740] on June 25, 2006 at 03:57:20:
Thanks, Lovebird.
One can assist oneself walking with just a cane, perhaps with more stability with a 2 legged walker and even sit with great stability with the 3 legged stool.
The best way to do this thing is to choose the thing one thinks they would be most likely to try and DO IT RIGHT for the length of time it would take for results.
For example, the PWFD will make a difference within 2 weeks and only should be continued for about 6 months (strictly). It's main purpose is to get past the addiction to refined carbohydrates. Aerobics will make a difference in a few weeks to a few months and should be continued as long as the practitioner feels better doing it. SR will help some within a few weeks but the average within a few months. Those who continue it will continue to get more benefits for many years.
Those who just try one of these approaches, will gradually get interested in doing the rest--as their health improves.
For those who finally are doing all 3 at one time, their lives will be transformed.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Bill [5278.1384] on June 26, 2006 at 07:23:04:
Hi Bill,
If our goal in even publishing the book (RYH) was to make money, I've just wasted the last 5 years I spent writing it with Walt, and will waste the next 2 or 3 years I'll need to spend getting it to people who can use it. About 50% of published books don't even make back their expenses. And we're talking here about recouping the printing and business expenses, not even getting compensation for the years of work. I'll be really glad if the book sales are good enough to break even and I can pay off the debt. Maybe a famous celebrity will read it and promote it for us and we'll sell a lot of copies? Anything anyone does to promote the book helps. Breaking even surely won't happen from the website sales!
I wrote the book for several reasons. One, to help myself get better -- I had no insurance and was desperately miserable. Two, to help my massage clients whose health problems didn't change, after years of treatments from many practitioners. Three, to help all the other people in this country who also can't get any good medical help, and encourage change in how health care is given in our country. These are the "treasures more precious than gold" that Walt talks about.
Have you seen the website for Kenneth Cooper, the MD who originally promoted aerobics? Not a bit of free information there, only advertisements for his expensive retreats. We have been so blessed to receive the kindness and expertise over the years from Walt, one of the best holistic doctors in the US. Very blessed. Thank you, Walt.
With all the constant free help and advice Michele has gotten since I came to the board 5 years ago, her comment does not make much sense to me.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Jim H. [1652.2562] on June 26, 2006 at 06:02:50:
It makes me burn. I wonder why people who desire to undermine someone's life mission are even here. I'll return the favor and say she is only here to promote herself at Walt's expense. (Since we're being tactless, straightforward and opinionated.)
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Happygal [2062.2732] on June 26, 2006 at 09:05:44:
I feel very blessed that you and Walt have put the information from this website all together in the book. I'm eternally grateful to Walt for developing the 3LS and everything that goes with it and presenting it for free here where it is easy to find. It's awesome that he spends so much time here answering posts now, even despite his health concerns. The amount of effort you have put in over the last, what is it 2-3 years now Jan, to write and publish the book is just incredible. And while you did this, you still maintained a work schedule and spent time here on the board. Dedication, personal sacrifice, and a work ethic like this is very rare these days. We are all blessed to be able to share in this knowledge which is given freely here and available in the books at a very reasonable price.
With many thanks,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by ANN [1003.516] on June 26, 2006 at 07:09:42:
ANN:
"...I think of it as a marketing tool for his health coaching services".
You see this board as a marketing tool for Dr. Stoll? That's your impression? My impression is that his first and primary purpose for the board is to help and educate, not to profit. But you are entitled to your opposing views.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Charles [514.74] on June 26, 2006 at 07:10:40:
Lissa, do you know the difference between snuff and chewing tobacco? Do you know the difference between moist snuff and dry snuff other than moist is moist and dry is dry?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by Charles [514.74] on June 26, 2006 at 12:54:45:
if you put dry snuff in your mouth wouldn't it get wet? Do I know the difference? one is a powder one is not, other than that I don't really know. It's true most of the people I know who dip use skoal or copenhagen which isn't the same as dry snuff doesn't look the same, doesn't smell the same, probably doesn't taste the same but surely if you put it in your mouth right next to the teeth it's gonna do something?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 26, 2006 at 12:59:36:
My grampa's chewing tobacco didn't look like red man either, it was a block and packed together tightly, not loose, but it still didn't look the same, didn't smell the same and probably didn't taste the same, it's still tobacco.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 25, 2006 at 20:45:27:
As she is the last living one in the bunch, I don't think I would dig the other ones up to see about their teeth. As for her, if she don't have dentures at 102+, I think that would be a miracle.
They didn't actually eat tobacco, they just kept it in their mouth all the time like I do.
My family history says tobacco doesn't cause cancer but it does cause respiratory problems.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 26, 2006 at 12:59:36:
Chewing tobacco has sorghum molasses in it, snuff doesn't. If tobacco does cause teeth problems I would think it would be the chewing tobacco that does that because molasses contains a lot of sugar and it is sticky but it can be brushed off.
Now the difference between moist snuff and dry snuff besides the obvious is that moist snuff is much stronger, at least that was what someone in the tobacco business told me. If tobacco does indeed cause mouth cancer, I think the moist snuff should be the first thing the look at.
I'll let you in on a little secret about tobacco and mouth cancer, 75% of the people who get mouth cancer use tobacco and alcohol, 15% use tobacco alone and 10% use neither, at least according to the stats I found, but now they have come out with alcohol causing cancer. I know that tobacco will eat up dead or damaged skin and tissue so I contacted the CDC and asked them, which one of those 3 groups results in the most deaths, they said they don't have any stats on that. The reason I asked was because we know 10% of the people don't use tobacco or alcohol and they still get mouth cancer so I figure it is possible that some of those in the other 2 groups would probably get mouth cancer as well and I think that once you get this damaged tissue in your mouth, tobacco is going to eat on it which would make it more noticable and hopefully someone would seek treatment sooner and thus not be fatal. I reason I know tobacco will eat up dead or damaged skin is because I experimented on myself with burns and I made it eat the skin off my arm one night but it has not turned into cancer and that was about 14 years ago. And let me tell you something else, it made me take it off my arm, that is the only pain I have ever seen tobacco not be able to kill.
In Reply to: I disagree posted by Michele [15.829] on June 25, 2006 at 10:32:10:
I have to say my hats off to Dr. Stoll, anyone who tells someone to try tobacco, it won't hurt them, isn't in it for the money.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Charles [514.74] on June 26, 2006 at 15:58:15:
Skoal, brother.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Sounder [1667.1399] on June 26, 2006 at 16:20:23:
Sorry but I don't use moist snuff. I wonder if he had a Bud or a Jack Daniels in his other hand.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Bill [5278.1384] on June 26, 2006 at 07:23:04:
I credit you with a good idea anyway. 90% of new businesses fail in this country-there's no shame in a financial venture not being profitable. Neither is it a badge of honor. Most good ideas don't make a lot of money, but people keep trying, and that's a good thing for the country and for optimism and for a flourishing garden of continuing thought. I'm a vegetarian, but I've been impressed with the writings of Atkins of of the two Eades-not because they are promoting the slaughter of more animals, but because they were capable of thinking outside of convention. As long as people are able to question the premises they've been taught, there's hope for our country. And if some of these authors get rich while sharing their ideas, I wouldn't begrudge them their financial success, because it means they are touching even more minds.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Sounder [1667.1399] on June 26, 2006 at 16:20:23:
is that caused by smoking????
boy, I am sure glad now that I gave it up at age 5!;)
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Sounder [1667.1399] on June 26, 2006 at 16:20:23:
Sounder, Dr. Stoll didn't tell anyone to chew or smoke it, he was talking about using it for medicine on a pilonidal cyst.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Happygal [2062.2732] on June 26, 2006 at 09:05:44:
Thanks, Jan (& Nutmeg)!
Walt
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Charles [514.74] on June 27, 2006 at 07:55:04:
I was going to ask you to show me where Dr. Stoll said that (kiddingly, I didn't think you were making it up). I figured if he said it he meant topically.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Sounder [1667.1399] on June 26, 2006 at 16:20:23:
Sounder, do you know the leading cause of death of Americans, it's heart attacks. Do you know the leading cause of heart attacks, it's blood clots. Did you know that when a person puts snuff or chewing tobacco in their mouth that they are putting chemicals in their body that will treat atherosclerosis, arteriosclerosis, high cholesterol, dissolve blood clots, chemicals that are vasodilators and arteriodilators?
It sure does look like to me those could very well be preventive substances to me.
As a matter of fact, I think I read where heart attacks kills as many people as the next 9 causes combined, I might be wrong about that though.
Anybody in the medical profession ever tell you about tobacco having chemicals that could do that?????????
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Sounder [1667.1399] on June 26, 2006 at 16:20:23:
Sounder, do you know the leading cause of death of Americans, it's heart attacks. Do you know the leading cause of heart attacks, it's blood clots. Did you know that when a person puts snuff or chewing tobacco in their mouth that they are putting chemicals in their body that will treat atherosclerosis, arteriosclerosis, high cholesterol, dissolve blood clots, chemicals that are vasodilators and arteriodilators?
It sure does look like to me those could very well be preventive substances to me.
As a matter of fact, I think I read where heart attacks kills as many people as the next 9 causes combined, I might be wrong about that though.
Anybody in the medical profession ever tell you about tobacco having chemicals that could do that?????????
In Reply to: Re: I disagree posted by Charles [514.74] on June 27, 2006 at 08:52:31:
On BTW, I have a paper here from the University of Maryland Medical Center that says it is estimated that approximately 1 MILLION people visit the hospital each year with a heart attack.
In Reply to: It makes you chuckle. posted by Sally [1945.1192] on June 26, 2006 at 10:03:03:
Oh, I know, we defend Walt, but this sort of thing has been going on here forever. The "book" is only one scenario. I remember the Acutane Wars, the Licensing Battles, and the Rude Doctor hostilities of the 90’s…not to mention he who…oops, sorry, Bill…can’t mention that.
You have great spunk, Sally, it makes me want to say something like, “You go, girl!” But that’s so corny…for an old guy.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB:P.S. posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 26, 2006 at 13:08:08:
Lissa, your grandfathers' chewing tobacco is called plug. The reason it is called plug is because you just bite a plug out it. Bull of the Woods was or is probably the most popular of this type of tobacco, there were others, Apple was one and Cup was a strong tobacco. Is your grandfather still alive, did he use alcohol, if he is not alive, how old was he when he passed and what about your grandmother?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB:P.S. posted by Charles [514.74] on June 27, 2006 at 16:05:50:
Hi Charles,
He died when he was 88. drank when he was younger but not when I was growing up (was 66 when I was born). He was pretty healthy, did have cancer in his mouth once though.
Granny was 86 when she died, didn't drink or smoke but was overweight and had a couple of heart attacks.
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB:P.S. posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 27, 2006 at 18:12:29:
Was he still chewing tobacco when he died? And at what age did he have mouth cancer?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB:P.S. posted by Charles [514.74] on June 27, 2006 at 21:02:06:
Yes, he was still chewing tobacco when he died, started when he was very young, can't say for sure how old, maybe even as young as four or five (hard to believe I know, but my brother was about 8 when he started, so I don't doubt it, I know he was a youngster)
he got the cancer when he was about 75.
In Reply to: Re: I disagree...Well said, Jan...msg posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on June 26, 2006 at 10:30:35:
Nutmeg
lovebird
In Reply to: Re: I disagree...Well said, Jan...msg posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on June 26, 2006 at 10:30:35:
Thanks, Nutmeg.
Five years already working on the book, and counting! I'm glad we were able to do it.
Best wishes,
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB:P.S. posted by lissa [2032.8] on June 27, 2006 at 21:06:51:
Lissa, I'll bet you he had no mental problems when he died unless his wife died before him.
You said she didn't smoke or drink but you did not mention whether she dipped.
What area of the country did they live in?
Don't you find it strange that he had mouth cancer yet he continued to chew and didn't have it again? Don't you think that says something?
There is one other thing however, some tobaccos are harsher than other, Beechnut, Redman and Levi Garrett are mild tobaccos, Chattanooga Chew is much harsher.
In Reply to: Re: It makes you chuckle. posted by Jim H. [3131.1351] on June 27, 2006 at 09:57:55:
I like corn, Jim! Your remark made me think of the Mary Tyler Moore Show when her boss says "I hate spunk" when she thought she was going to get a compliment.
I just feel those few little words (marketing tool) comprised a nasty allegation in this particular case. In one fell swoop, it obliterated all the generosity Walt is displaying and asking NOTHING in return. And I don't think he really needs to be defended to people like that. Some people can't distinguish the wheat from the chaff, nor the quality of the wheat. I'm sure Walt could have set up a more commercial website and made money on this venture. I wonder how altruistic the accuser is?
In Reply to: Re: Information combining conventional/alternative medicine..Dr Stoll's BB:P.S. posted by Charles [514.74] on June 28, 2006 at 08:59:59:
Hi Charles,
They were from Kentucky. Granny didn't dip, the only girl I ever knew to do that was my cousin Lori, yech.
Don't you find it strange that he had mouth cancer yet he continued to chew and didn't have it again? Don't you think that says something?
Never really thought about it, I don't know if it says anything or not.
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Posted by lovebird [15.2740] on June 28, 2006 at 00:51:44:
I agree 100%
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Jan
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Posted by Sally [1945.1192] on June 28, 2006 at 17:13:03:
I don't want to start a flaming thread here, Jim, but thanks for letting me spout off. I'm all spunked out:)
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